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Games Journalism! Wainwright/Florence/Tomb Raider/Eurogamer/Libel Threats/Doritos
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You have my axe, sir.
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
LOL. It's sad that this seems perfectly plausible at this point.
The "Sponsored by Netscape Navigator" line killed me.
"Just after we turned Polygon live I asked a developer friend of mine over IM, "So, what do you think of the site?" Her response was: "loads fast; looks great in IE." Reading those words was like hearing the best kind of dance music."
from ie explorer sponsored Polygon.....
http://www.polygon.com/2012/10/31/3578070/press-reset-episode-ten-post-launch
guess we should expect more product placement on their articles.
from ie explorer sponsored Polygon.....
http://www.polygon.com/2012/10/31/3578070/press-reset-episode-ten-post-launch
guess we should expect more product placement on their articles.
You're a good man and I'll stand by you 'til the end.
Puppet Shadow
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Which is a lousy point. A much better thing to do is say is:
'We're going to take the same steps that many other industries do and put a process in place so any influence is minimized as much as possible. Then we'll make our policies public so you can compare them to our competition, and let you judge for yourself if our standards meet yours.'
My favorite part is Sponsored by Netscape Nagivator.
Surely it was just a coincidence that she mentioned Internet Explorer....
You guys are so cynical!
I am sure Polygon wouldn't do something that underhanded.
Puppet Shadow
Member
I use Firefox, so I'm assuming it's implied she tried it on that first and it wasn't so great. Too bad, guess I'll find another site to visit.
I'd like to give them the benefit of the doubt, but it's an odd thing to say and odd they would include that part even if she said it. They wouldn't want to promote it looks good in all browsers? But who would even say that?
Oh right, she's probably the MS rep. lol.
The entire documentary is an editorial piece bought by Microsoft. Why would I be surprised that they are inserting "IE" references into their prose?
Felix Lighter
Member
There is one reason a developer would specifically mention IE in that case. It's notoriously (much less of an issue with IE9+) the worst browser to deal with when developing a modern website. It was a strange quote to pick though.
I like Cool Ranch.
It's weird because the video player still works like crap on Mozilla.
To be fair, I'm personally a front-end web developer and if I see anything that's remotely complex look nice in IE, it's worth a mention.
EDIT: Felix Lighter got it.
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[QUOTE="Ryan Gantz, Director of User Experience" ]
I think it's worth noting: when you launch a website and it looks great & performs well in older browsers like IE8, it doesn't just mean you've browser-tested well or sought to appease a sponsor; it means you've approached front-end design with the right philosophy and strategy, in a way that considers all types of users and degrades gracefully.
I'd bet that the percentage of folks using IE8 is extremely low, but from my perspective (as someone who started designing in the IE4 days) the fact that Polygon offers a good experience on that browser AND relies on forward-thinking responsive/interaction technologies indicates thoughtfulness and thoroughness.
Congrats to the whole team on a great launch, and on quality post-launch guidance. Another great Press Reset episode.
[/QUOTE]
billy beane
Banned
If EA wants to give out free pizzas to shill for their products, they need to contact me. Or any company for that matter. There isn't much I won't do for a free pizza.
You're right.
Ew.
I'll admit, I've been defending the whole IE ad thing for their launch vids (essentially just ads for the site), but that really does make the whole thing look bad. Like, really bad.
Gross. What happened to you, Chris Grant? You used to be awesome. Glad that Ludwig has kept the Joystiq flame burning.
Sgt.Pepper
Banned
The spicy one.
Then shouldn't the quote be "looks great, even in IE!" I dunno. I'm tired of picking nits today.
And you can bet that IE folks are looking closely at those posts since they paid for those videos. Justify it however you want, but that's no accident to pull that as a quote. Even if it is a valid metric for site performance, it looks very bad to put that in your first sentence.
As Florence said in his original Eurogamer article, seeing something like that makes you ask questions. Even if it ultimately doesn't mean anything, it makes you question their trustworthiness. There's no getting around how ugly that looks.
This part is what nails it. Even if it doesn't mean anything, the fact is that it could. And that's a problem.
With that said, it is a silly quote as is. Making something that looks great in IE tells us nothing of the other browsers which the majority of users will be using. Stupid quote.
Yup. NeoGAF is better than any of these sites for information. The entire communication model is better than any ad-driven source. I fail to see why they're as popular as they are. When you see the feeble responses from the so-called giants of this industry you realize the whole thing is a sham.
They will never admit how bad the situation really is. It goes directly against their interests to level with the public. They have forgotten all the little times and little ways they have been compromised.
Journalism or not journalism isn't the real question. Are they propaganda agents? That's the real issue! From my experience they are. More than anything else they do, they engage in some form of propaganda.
ElectricBlue187
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that combination sounds really gross. with sour cream dip you ideally want a wavy plain unflavored potato chip
That sounds really unappealing.
mattiewheels
And then the LORD David Bowie saith to his Son, Jonny Depp: 'Go, and spread my image amongst the cosmos. For every living thing is in anguish and only the LIGHT shall give them reprieve.'
He was, "The Cudgel of Xanthor" I believe it was called.
CloakedPuppet
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I was thinking about this thread yesterday when I went to IGN since they had one of the earlier reviews up of NFSMW. I must admit, I had trouble reading it with the scrolling ACIII ad behind it. Lawls.
Wow, at what point does a site with ads become an advert with content peppered within?
rudds said:
I think this makes it clear to me: there really is not much of a chance for a legitimate critical media to exist in the current framework. The most press can (let alone willing to) do is come up with ethics guidelines and follow them to the best of their ability. But they'll still be operating in the same illegitimate system in which the press is very much a part of the industry - the way the media is funded, the way it interacts with its targets of criticism.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Wrong jeff.
Somewhere around the time that publishers decide to use cross promotion by casting employees of the site to play characters in their latest game.
I ate a bag of Doritos today...I felt a bit dirty afterwards.
mattiewheels
And then the LORD David Bowie saith to his Son, Jonny Depp: 'Go, and spread my image amongst the cosmos. For every living thing is in anguish and only the LIGHT shall give them reprieve.'
Oh snap, we're talking about GB jeff. Well if Gerstmann and Green got together for an all out expose, that might be truly great.
I just got done listening to the GB talk, and I liked it. Thought it was fair enough. Maybe my rage is subsiding on this, put I'm trying to keep in mind that there are segments of people who have the right perspective and I'm sure they're tired of having to distinguish themselves from the lowlifes in this industry.
You know what's a good combination? Dipping bread into Milo then eating it. Go ahead, give it a try.
Being "tired" is a terrible excuse for complacency. Even if a site's writers are already employing an extensive and reliable ethics code, can it be a bad idea to just double check it every so often? And considering the level of backlash from readers at the moment, wouldn't this be a good time to do so?
Even if the answer is "We thought about it again, and we're still happy with our rules. Thanks for putting some pressure on us," wouldn't it be a worthwhile thing to do? Straight-up defensiveness and dismissal don't look good in this situation. Judging by Jeff's responses here and by Patrick's on the site, I'm confident that they've at least thought about it... even if they are a bit dismissive on the podcast.
Oh right, didn't consider it might not be available in other countries. It's a hot chocolate beverage. Perhaps you can find a suitable substitute.
Thank you.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Thing is, there really isn't alot in the giantbomb community at all. I'd say out of all the sites they have the most defenders, rational or not (in fact I probably border on irrational at times). Which I think is a rather interesting the way they could influence their audience, whether if you think it's deserved or not.
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