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I get the impression that you're not fully aware of the timeline of events here.
I believe this thread is a response to another thread where he was called out for talking about buying the oxy in yet another thread. As in, the order of events is as follows:
- In some thread, Amirox mentions getting some drugs to get him through election week. This thread had no relation whatsoever to his mother's illness.
- Someone else starts a separate thread quoting Amirox's previously mentioned post, and conflates it with Amirox's fundraiser for his sick mom.
- That thread was subsequently locked before Amirox got around to responding to it, so he decided to respond by making yet another new thread.
On topic: The people equating the drugs to any other luxury purchase are spot on. Far too many people are obviously knee-jerk reacting to the fact that his luxury purchase of choice happens to be drugs. Not a drug user myself, but I've known my fair share.
That being said, Amirox, Oxy is a hell of drug, and even at what I remember to be it's street value, that's a lot for a week. You probably do have a problem if that's how much it takes. Take care of yourself, for your family, if nothing else.
P.S. I still think you were a pretty awful mod. <3
sorry this is yet another misunderstanding on your part. When I asked for the fundraiser, I was basically out of money. SINCE the fundraiser helped my Mom and has relieved some of the financial burden, I have since that time started saving up again (for my wedding, for my house). But, also, I was putting aside $50 per paycheck for a little big party week for me. That was my gift to myself for a long, difficult year.
I did not have $400 to give my Mom when the fundraiser was happening. If neoGAF would have never given a dime, what would have happened is we would have went maybe a few more weeks with me giving as much as I could from my regular paycash (thus making it extremely difficult to pay my own bills), and then that would have come to an end to and my Mom would have been on her own, and my family bankrupt.
post this in OP dude
NinjaBoiX
Member
How's that?
If I lend Mike £10, but I give it to Steve to pass to him, does Steve owe me the £10?
legacyzero
Banned
Riggs got it right.
Wasn't it pretty clear that GAF donations would help all of you? And help minimize the impact of all the costs??
At least that's how I understood it.
That thread the other day was just bad taste.
The reality is that theres no concrete proof either way. Considering you're a known drug abuser, I imagine a lot of people (myself included) are inclined to think that you lied to get your fix.
Are we all supposed to be aware of this timeline? I missed the GAF newsletter. Should be in the OP.
Man, I think it's kinda messed up how some of you guys are viewing this situation. The donation thread was going on 7 months ago, so...logically, if you think it's inexcusable that Ami has disposable income 7 months later, you're also saying that you feel like his mother needed to stay as sick as possible for as long as possible to maximize the "charity."
I mean, if it turns out that all the donation money was unneeded because his mom started feeling better before all of it was spent... Shouldn't that be a good thing that makes us happy?
I mean, if it turns out that all the donation money was unneeded because his mom started feeling better before all of it was spent... Shouldn't that be a good thing that makes us happy?
He said he "ordered" the drugs and got quite a good deal on it, so I assume he used Silk Road or similar. Always been curious to try that myself.
criesofthepast
Member
Was there any proof given to how the money was spent? Receipts and whatnot. I would have expected that even without this oxy revelation. Larry David taught me to never give people the benefit of the doubt. Works pretty well for me.
HerbertFish
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If Steve goes and spends it on drugs, you're shit out of luck.
But apparently it was his moms paypal. Assuming that's true, that's different.
Yes. Anything Amir0x related you're supposed to have Googled and searched for before class.
No. Again, I can't speak for everyone but I would imagine there was no need or expectation of such even at this juncture.
Damn. I am going to fail the pop quiz today.
echoshifting
Banned
I, too, thought this was clear.
SillyEskimo
Member
This entire thread makes me feel dirty. It's awful reading this stuff. NeoGaf has a very dark underbelly.
Joe Shlabotnik
Banned
OK yeah I think some of the bewilderment here is from posters who are wondering why he decided to volunteer this information seemingly out of nowhere.
He offhandedly mentioned the drug purchase in the PoliGAF thread a couple of days ago. (Honestly it was difficult to tell whether he was kidding or not.)
A salty Opa-Ages user noticed it and started a thread accusing him of scamming the donation money to buy drugs. It was quickly locked, but as there was no response from ami in the thread before it was closed, he probably felt like he had to still had to address it at some point for anyone who may have read it.
He offhandedly mentioned the drug purchase in the PoliGAF thread a couple of days ago. (Honestly it was difficult to tell whether he was kidding or not.)
A salty Opa-Ages user noticed it and started a thread accusing him of scamming the donation money to buy drugs. It was quickly locked, but as there was no response from ami in the thread before it was closed, he probably felt like he had to still had to address it at some point for anyone who may have read it.
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
The problem, for me, is the extent of your drug use. I trust that you used the funds accordingly. Just because people donated six months ago doesn't mean that you are beholden to them. A man can't live with no entertainment.
Prices there are most certainly higher than the street, and thats without bitcoin conversion
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
With it said that its totally acceptable that now he's making luxury purchase again, I will echo others in saying be careful with all the hard stuff Ami, especially the narcotics.
Did you even read anything in here? Oh yeah almost forgot, fuck you.
I had no money at all six months ago. I had gone through all my savings. When I made the topic, I had gone from what was almost $18,000 in savings to $150. There was no money left to give, that was the reason I made the topic. I had exhausted all other revenue streams.
I did NOT - I repeat, DID NOT - have this $400 when the fundraiser was made. Because by default the fundraiser allowed me to have to give less to my Mom per month, I have been using the extra funds to save back up for my wedding, honey moon, and house. And I put $50 additional aside for this special occasion, which eventually added up to $400 over many paychecks.
I am so sorry this is a confusion and regret ever making that post, because it clearly caused some real concern and I would never want to do that to people who did something out of kindness.
Really, you sure? That feels like it defeats part of the purpose of the thing.
Rentahamster
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Donation drive was to provide mom with healthcare and keep Ami's family from going bankrupt. Mission more or less accomplished. He can spend his own money how he likes.
Of course, given the cross payments and connected nature of the situation, there is a degree of frangibility to these funds and their purpose. It's entirely possible that donation funds could have passed into recreation funds (in this case, drugs).
However, I'm not going to ask for an itemized accounting list of every last thing that Ami's family has spent money on. That's just ridiculous, considering that they are overall in a better spot, both physically, and financially, which was the goal of the donation drive in the first place.
As a donor, regardless of how I may feel about of his choice of recreation, it's his own damn salary money saved incrementally from his own work, and he can use it however he likes. I'll take him at his word that it is. The argument that he spent too much on recreation, and that all extra money should still go to his mom is fine, and he's an adult and can explain himself in regard to that.
But to think that a $400 recreational expenditure somehow completely invalidates the many more hundreds of dollars and time spent helping out his mom from then until now is too harsh.
Of course, given the cross payments and connected nature of the situation, there is a degree of frangibility to these funds and their purpose. It's entirely possible that donation funds could have passed into recreation funds (in this case, drugs).
However, I'm not going to ask for an itemized accounting list of every last thing that Ami's family has spent money on. That's just ridiculous, considering that they are overall in a better spot, both physically, and financially, which was the goal of the donation drive in the first place.
As a donor, regardless of how I may feel about of his choice of recreation, it's his own damn salary money saved incrementally from his own work, and he can use it however he likes. I'll take him at his word that it is. The argument that he spent too much on recreation, and that all extra money should still go to his mom is fine, and he's an adult and can explain himself in regard to that.
But to think that a $400 recreational expenditure somehow completely invalidates the many more hundreds of dollars and time spent helping out his mom from then until now is too harsh.
I've got no stake in this, but just saying, if I heard someone blew $400 unnecessary in one week when in financial trouble I'd kind of be hesitant to donate anything towards them. Particularly if it's something that isn't intended to last more than the week. It suggests poor financial judgement.
As someone who takes care of a disabled parent who has been in poor health in recent years, I can totally sympathize with your situation. My heart goes out to you.
I can't say I approve of your lifestyle choices, but I can't judge you either. The best I can say is that I hope your mother continues to be the most important thing in your life.
I can't say I approve of your lifestyle choices, but I can't judge you either. The best I can say is that I hope your mother continues to be the most important thing in your life.
legacyzero
Banned
Hell, didn't Evilore himself make a sizable donation?
BUT, on the other hand, $400 on drugs? I agree that it's a bit much. GAF donations or not.
But yeah, I fear this thread is a minefield.
/exitstageright
NinjaBoiX
Member
His dealer presumably.
This. Do people use that as a recreational drug? I always thought that was the drug you get to when you have spiraled out of control.
I'm sure you guys would have been ok if he had spent that fifty a week on beer at a bar, lementing his woes.
It's his recreation, for good or bad (that is off-topic), and irrelevant to the money donated. His mom got the money. Months ago. The donators helped his mom, and ami. He is now is a position where he saved money over the past weeks to have recreation, again, unrelated to the donations which have already helped his mom.
I don't get a lot of people in this thread.
Edit: Congrats on your wedding Ami.
It's his recreation, for good or bad (that is off-topic), and irrelevant to the money donated. His mom got the money. Months ago. The donators helped his mom, and ami. He is now is a position where he saved money over the past weeks to have recreation, again, unrelated to the donations which have already helped his mom.
I don't get a lot of people in this thread.
Edit: Congrats on your wedding Ami.
This is what I thought too at first pass, but this isn't the case. He started saving up that 400 after GAF donated to him.
Much different scenario.
Ehh, the purpose is giving the customer convience, anonymity, and lack of face-to-face interaction with the source. I'd imagine there are lots of DEA stings on there as well, so the price being higher didnt surprise me. Google some screencaps of the site, you'll see the prices.
edit: I guess this is impossible since bitcoin values change and youd have to convert anyway
Ami should understand that's it's also not the amount of money that he spent that's getting people upset, it's what he spend it on. If he had said he spent $400 on a WiiU for him and his mom to enjoy, or a small weekend vacation (drug-free) it wouldn't be viewed so negatively.
j_k_redtail
Member
I think it's a fair criticism, honestly. There really are quite a few ways that $400 worth of drugs is different from most other luxury purchases.
criesofthepast
Member
Why? Major charities always declare how money donated has been spent. What's the difference here? Is it so horrible to ask to see how their hard earned money was spent? It's just a decent gesture to put people's minds at ease. I don't think it has anything to do with trusting him. I believe his mother got the money, id just like to see what exactly it was spent on. I don't see how this is an unreasonable expectation.
Eh, there's nothing unethical about it I guess, but it does seem a bit misguided and short sighted. If the story is the way you've explained it to be, then you definitely deserve some time off from the situation, but I personally find blowing $400 on recreational drugs to be incredibly stupid. Why not go out with some friends and have a few drinks, or take your girl out to a nice dinner for a fraction of the cost? I personally don't condone drug use, but even if I did, if I were in the same situation and knowing that my mother's illness/financial situation is not 100% sound, I'd be reluctant to blow such a huge chunk of money on something so useless in the grand scheme of things without knowing whether I'd need it to financially help out my family or myself in the future.
Don't worry about it. It's clear some of the people in this thread have no understanding of the situation, and might have some kind of vendetta against you.
And, so it's clarified, it was also to try to afford a special type of dialysis @ home treatment that is going to be much, much gentler on her body. Because her health insurance was denying her funds for such treatment, despite her Doctor's recommendations.
All these are mission accomplished for neoGAF. Yes, it allowed me to start to return to some sense of financial normalcy, and I am sorry if you didn't want to do anything like that... I did not think spending something nice on myself, no matter what it was, was not allowed ever again if I made a fundraiser :/
thestatics
Neo Member
I'm hard up and need money urgently to help my family - 100% understandable.
Fast forward a few months and my financial position has improved... Here are your donations back, thank you for the interest free loan or yeeeeeah drug time?
Fast forward a few months and my financial position has improved... Here are your donations back, thank you for the interest free loan or yeeeeeah drug time?
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This is so crazy.
FIRST
The drugs you listed should have cost you way more than $400.
I doubt you have a credit with a dealer.
SECOND
How long have you known about your mom's illness? You've made posts frequently over the last year describing your drug use. "How do I unwind? Oxycontin." and similar posts.
It's very unlikely that this was a one-time fee of $400. As somebody else stated, this isn't a "recreational" amount of drugs. This is the haul of an addict.
No possible way to put a number on it, but likely in the thousands of dollars over the last year. If you weren't an addict you probably would not have needed to ask GAF for $15,000 or whatever was leeched.
THIRD
When normal people unwind in a week they go out to eat and take in a movie. $50, say.
Or in a month? Buy a new video game. $70.]
Personally I rent a movie ($4) and buy some popcorn and raisenettes ($4)
You just spend $500 or more on a single week's worth of drugs.
I could rent a movie and buy snacks every night for 2 months with that kind of money.
You need help, dude. I've known smack addicts and they aren't to be trusted. Sorry if it's hard for me to take you at your word.
FIRST
The drugs you listed should have cost you way more than $400.
I doubt you have a credit with a dealer.
SECOND
How long have you known about your mom's illness? You've made posts frequently over the last year describing your drug use. "How do I unwind? Oxycontin." and similar posts.
It's very unlikely that this was a one-time fee of $400. As somebody else stated, this isn't a "recreational" amount of drugs. This is the haul of an addict.
No possible way to put a number on it, but likely in the thousands of dollars over the last year. If you weren't an addict you probably would not have needed to ask GAF for $15,000 or whatever was leeched.
THIRD
When normal people unwind in a week they go out to eat and take in a movie. $50, say.
Or in a month? Buy a new video game. $70.]
Personally I rent a movie ($4) and buy some popcorn and raisenettes ($4)
You just spend $500 or more on a single week's worth of drugs.
I could rent a movie and buy snacks every night for 2 months with that kind of money.
You need help, dude. I've known smack addicts and they aren't to be trusted. Sorry if it's hard for me to take you at your word.
A little over $10,000.
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