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You know, I think people need to approach this whole scenario a bit differently. Sure, Capcom has been doing this for what seems like forever. They did it with Street Fighter II back on SNES/Genesis, and yes, they've done it with DMC3 with DMC3SE. The thing is, why do they CONTINUE to do it? It's a bad practice, no matter how you try and justify it. Maybe the younger generation that played/purchased all of these Capcom re-releases didn't know any better because they were, you know, young and ignorant. I wasn't even thinking about business practices, consumer exploitation, etc. when Capcom did this back with Street Fighter II. Even more so, my parents probably bought me Super Street Fighter II Turbo or whatever for Christmas. I had no control over my support of these horrible practics. But now that I'm older and more mature I can choose not to support it because it's bullshit. Enough is enough, you know what I mean?
I really don't understand how some of you can compare DmC's Vergil DLC to DMC3SE. You are aware that every successful PS2 game eventually turned into a Greatest Hits version value priced at $20? They decided to add a bunch fo stuff to this Greatest Hits version for FREE. They rebalanced the game, added Turbo, Bloody Palace, and Vergil. They didn't have to do any of it because the Greatest Hits version was going to be released anyway.
I guess no one here is interested that Vergil has a Doppelganger style moveset...
You know, I think people need to approach this whole scenario a bit differently. Sure, Capcom has been doing this for what seems like forever. They did it with Street Fighter II back on SNES/Genesis, and yes, they've done it with DMC3 with DMC3SE. The thing is, why do they CONTINUE to do it? It's a bad practice, no matter how you try and justify it. Maybe the younger generation that played/purchased all of these Capcom re-releases didn't know any better because they were, you know, young and ignorant. I wasn't even thinking about business practices, consumer exploitation, etc. when Capcom did this back with Street Fighter II. Even more so, my parents probably bought me Super Street Fighter II Turbo or whatever for Christmas. I had no control over my support of these horrible practics. But now that I'm older and more mature I can choose not to support it because it's bullshit. Enough is enough, you know what I mean?
I guess no one here is interested that Vergil has a Doppelganger style moveset...
Okay and instead of making a simple greatest hits for only people who never got the game, they put work into it in order to resell the game to pre-existing fans, greatly increasing the revenue they'd get from the greatest hits. It's not like they offered the GH benefits for free to people who already purchased the original.
The pros and cons between doing this and doing DLC is basically a wash
But Vergil was only in the Special Edition of DMC3, which cost $30, didn't it? You still had to buy the "same" game twice if you were going to play as Vergil.
Okay and instead of making a simple greatest hits for only people who never got the game, they put work into it in order to resell the game to pre-existing fans, greatly increasing the revenue they'd get from the greatest hits. It's not like they offered the GH benefits for free to people who already purchased the original.
The pros and cons between doing this and doing DLC is basically a wash
I guess no one here is interested that Vergil has a Doppelganger style moveset...
I really don't understand how some of you can compare DmC's Vergil DLC to DMC3SE. You are aware that every successful PS2 game eventually turned into a Greatest Hits version value priced at $20? They decided to add a bunch fo stuff to this Greatest Hits version for FREE. They rebalanced the game, added Turbo, Bloody Palace, and Vergil. They didn't have to do any of it because the Greatest Hits version was going to be released anyway.
So a game released for two consoles with a combined 150 million base plus PC outselling a game released during the first year (?) of a new console.This game will sell way more than Bayo 2. Think about that for a minute :3.
Haha, good luck with that!ITT i found out that the PC version will be 60fps and is handled by the peeps who handled SSF4AE which eases almos all my concerns when it comes to technical stuff. Now let's hope for Steamworks or at least no GFWL.
I'm not 100% feeling the game just yet but I'm open to a surprise.
Please buy at full price on launch day, but also buy this DLC. Don't do that thing where you wait for cut/bomba prices and then get it and the DLC for the price it should be from the beginning. That would be bad. Do not use you brain, consumer. We are banking on this! Please!
DLC wasn't an option in the PS2 era. Who the hell would offer the GH version for free? Nobody company has ever done that.
And I'm calling that they'll be removed and sold as DLC day 1, what's so hard to understand about that?
I remember when he was an unlockable.
Probably a long shot but I hope he gets Force Edge or Beowulf style weapons in the DLC too. Just to complete the tri-fecta.
I noticed that Vergil has new moves/abilities that he never had (aside from the ones I mentioned).
It seems that he has a Doppelganger style variant. It works very different from Dante's Doppelganger. Also the Doppelganger is seen throwing Round Trip.
Nice.
So what should they have done if they wanted to add more content to DMC3SE?I'm not saying DLC was an option or that they would actually give the GH for free, what I'm saying is you acted like putting vergil in the GH was some kind of noble charity as opposed to the horror of this DLC, when in reality its basically the same thing. Add a new character to the game and charge people who want to play as that character.
http://youtu.be/VENdJgB_zI0?t=1m15sDidn't notice that, could you please tell me at what time?
Anyone else think it's funny that the game's story is all anti-big corporation practices and not buying everything you see advertised, but yet, the DLC practice is pretty much that?
Hey I'm confident this will outsell Bayo 1 by console versions alone. Just rubbing salt on wounds mate :3.So a game released for two consoles with a combined 150 million base plus PC outselling a game released during the first year (?) of a new console.
Are you sure you comfortable going out on that limb?
There are things to complain about when it comes to DLC, but this isn't one of those things.
So what should they have done if they wanted to add more content to DMC3SE?
What they did with DMC3SE was the best option they could've went with. Most other expansions at the time cost $30+ (like NGB or MGS3:S).
http://youtu.be/VENdJgB_zI0?t=1m15s
To be fair Bayonetta's characters were not even close to a DMC character when it come to how unique they are. In Bayonetta they were pretty much skins, which DmC will also have, and so did DMC3.
Gray Fox skin as a Limited Edition DLC
There are things to complain about when it comes to DLC, but this isn't one of those things.
Well for one the "easy circumstances" should actually be made easier. What if you don't live near a Gamestop store? Or what if you are in a different country? That's not equal opportunity.I'm not saying they should have done anything other than what they did. I am saying what they did was charge the fans extra money to play as an extra character and that this method isn't much better or worse than having DLC that you can either choose to pay for, not pay for, or even get for free under some pretty easy circumstances
You seemed to have gotten the wrong impression from my post. Please, don't throw me in the same bus as those trying to defend/justify this! I wasn't trying to say that Capcom is doing the exact same thing with DmC as they did with DMC3SE. I was just trying to approach the argument/situation from a different perspective. Just looking for that middle ground, you know?
I'm not saying they should have done anything other than what they did. I am saying what they did was charge the fans extra money to play as an extra character and that this method isn't much better or worse than having DLC that you can either choose to pay for, not pay for, or even get for free under some pretty easy circumstances
Well for one the "easy circumstances" should actually be made easier. What if you don't live near a Gamestop store? Or what if you are in a different country? That's not equal opportunity.
Actually, if a mod could add "free with pre-order to Gamestop" that would be more accurate.
Actually, if a mod could add "free with pre-order to Gamestop" that would be more accurate.
Isn't it also with Best Buy?
No, I hear you. I was just replying to you because you were the last post in that tangetial conversation.
The difference might be that you get the full game with DMC3:SE and can trade your old copy back for it. They didn't have to include it in the Greatest Hits release. As DahBomb mentioned, NGB didn't do that.
Capcom, how can you expect me to keep defending you if your gonna pull shit like this?
I can say RE6 is an acquired taste, but how the hell can DLC announcements over 2 months before release be justified?
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