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[cosmicblizzard]

JoJo's Bizarre Adventure 7

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Zeppeli

Is it just me, or are they easing up a bit on the censorship? I mean yeah, there's still lots of obscured stuff, but it seems they're more willing to show gore in general.

Also,

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lol baby eating.

 

[Uchip]

JoJo's Bizarre Adventure 7

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Zeppeli

Is it just me, or are they easing up a bit on the censorship? I mean yeah, there's still lots of obscured stuff, but it seems they're more willing to show gore in general.

Also,

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lol baby eating.

the chain scene was brutal regardless of censorship

 

[firehawk12]

But then there is the meta-discussion about whether it really is a spoiler when the show is based on novels which seem to be at least somewhat known in Japan. When promoting the anime in the months before the show aired, it was hardly a secret that the story spans many years and is divided into different parts, much like LotR.

If the people creating the show feel that it is something viewers should know about before a show even airs, I guess the question is whether special protection should be afforded to such a plot point. Who would be protected? Those on total media blackout for the show? Then the question should be whether such persons should be participating in a thread like this to begin with.

I'm definitely interested in what other people think about it though, since this "problem" can't really be solved by a single person. Especially when it is debatable as to whether it is a problem to begin with.

I feel like people should protect themselves, since everyone has their own standards on what constitutes a spoiler.

As I mentioned in IRC, you can disable images entirely on GAF, so if you really are that spoiler-adverse, there are ways to guarantee that you don't see any spoilers and still be able to participate in the thread.

I mean, at some point, casting and character designs are spoilers as well. Should we just tag all production notes and images? Should this thread look like a redacted CIA memo about Area 51? I have no idea either.

 

[duckroll]

To answer duckroll's comment about what does or does not constitute a spoiler I'd make a slight addition to my earlier rule:

If you were to have write the content of the image as a post, would you spoiler tag it? If in doubt I'd always err on the side of caution and consider it a spoiler.

If people want to read your spoiler and see the spoiler image they can always highlight the image or click the text.

That seems like a good rule, but it doesn't really seem like we have really made any progress at all in this discussion (which is what I feared to begin with), since it boils down to "if you think it's a spoiler, please mark it." but then we get caught on the "what is a spoiler" aspect which clearly opinions differ.

The most importantly thing for me personally is that I don't someone who participates in the thread on good faith should have their experience ruined by something in the thread intentionally or unintentionally. But while this is a noble goal, it is also hardest to enforce when it comes to borderline issues which are debatable.

I would imagine that most (all?) people who post images with impressions or images when discussing a certain aspect of a show or an episode of a show don't feel that those are spoilers. Instead they are illustrations of stuff they liked about that episode, or disliked, and something they want to share visually. But here we fall into the unfortunate trap that often the things we want to share the most are usually something significant and worthwhile about that episode.

For someone who has not seen the episode or film yet, such a visual illustration could ruin a visual surprise or seeing it out of context could "spoil" what would be a much stronger impression when played out for the first time without having seen it. How much due consideration should be given when tackling something like this? I think that's a more complicated litmus test, because not everyone has a good sense for that sort of thing, and that does not mean they have ill intent.

 

[Thoraxes]

Jojo - 07

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NO

NO NO NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO FUCK ;_________; ZEPPELIIIIIIIIIII

I also thought the ground in the upper-right picture looked super cool for some reason.

 

[wonzo]

Sadly, the first thing I thought of was Black Rock Shooter (the TV series )

The TV series of Black Rock Shooter would've been infinitely more entertaining if all the girls suffered from Cerebral Palsy to the point of being unable to talk and move.

 

[Jex]

The chart was posted here a couple of times... and everywhere else on the Internet.

It was like, the most discussed aspect of the show.

That doesn't seem to be a particular solid argument to me because counter-examples are too easy to construct against it. Lets say I've just heard the premise of the show from my friend but I hadn't really paid attention to it before now, because, like the vast majority of people in the world, I don't happen to follow the industry at all. I pop in to this thread to see if I can find any impressions of it and then I come across those gifs.

It's not reasonable to assume that, because some place or places on the internet have discussed it, that it's anywhere near common knowledge.

 

[firehawk12]

I would imagine that most (all?) people who post images with impressions or images when discussing a certain aspect of a show or an episode of a show don't feel that those are spoilers. Instead they are illustrations of stuff they liked about that episode, or disliked, and something they want to share visually. But here we fall into the unfortunate trap that often the things we want to share the most are usually something significant and worthwhile about that episode.

For someone who has not seen the episode or film yet, such a visual illustration could ruin a visual surprise or seeing it out of context could "spoil" what would be a much stronger impression when played out for the first time without having seen it. How much due consideration should be given when tackling something like this? I think that's a more complicated litmus test, because not everyone has a good sense for that sort of thing, and that does not mean they have ill intent.

This is why I like the American TV thread rules of having anything goes. That way, if you care about not being spoiled, it's up to you to not go into that thread until you've seen the show.

Same with not going on twitter after your favourite TV show airs and so forth. You don't have to build your life around watching TV the moment it airs, but you should also know that going to a thread that is meant to discuss anime carries the risk of being spoiled.

The TV series for Black Rock Shooter would've been infinitely more entertaining if all the girls suffered from Cerebral Palsy to the point of being unable to talk and move.

Man, now it's like that Diving Bell and the Butterfly movie...

 

[RoboGeorgeForeman]

Just a curious question, but for those that know, how big of a role does the history of Shin Sekai Yori play into the novel compared to the actual characters and their relationships? The history and mysteries of the new world were the main reasons I started following the series, but if that's not the focus, I want to either set my sights towards another series or at least reset my expectations.

 

[Jex]

That seems like a good rule, but it doesn't really seem like we have really made any progress at all in this discussion (which is what I feared to begin with), since it boils down to "if you think it's a spoiler, please mark it." but then we get caught on the "what is a spoiler" aspect which clearly opinions differ.

I would imagine that most (all?) people who post images with impressions or images when discussing a certain aspect of a show or an episode of a show don't feel that those are spoilers. Instead they are illustrations of stuff they liked about that episode, or disliked, and something they want to share visually. But here we fall into the unfortunate trap that often the things we want to share the most are usually something significant and worthwhile about that episode.

For someone who has not seen the episode or film yet, such a visual illustration could ruin a visual surprise or seeing it out of context could "spoil" what would be a much stronger impression when played out for the first time without having seen it. How much due consideration should be given when tackling something like this? I think that's a more complicated litmus test, because not everyone has a good sense for that sort of thing, and that does not mean they have ill intent.

But, as you say, not everyone can or will agree on what constitutes a spoiler in text, let alone visually which is I find it unlikely that we'll be able to hash out exactly what constitutes a visual spoiler. Which is why I don't post pictures of things that give away key plot points/character stuff which is how others have operated in the past and we haven't had any issues up to this point.

 

[duckroll]

But, as you say, not everyone can or will agree on what constitutes a spoiler in text, let alone visually which is I find it unlikely that we'll be able to hash out exactly what constitutes a visual spoiler. Which is why I don't post pictures of things that give away key plot points/character stuff.

Yeah I'm just lamenting the confirmation that this debate will once again conclude without any actual changes in the community, other than a reminder that we should be more considerate for other viewers who might not want something ruined.

If someone spoils an actual plot point or a major twist, that's really easy to handle. When people complain about general story progression of an ongoing series being "spoiled", that's a lot harder to make everyone happy!

 

[cajunator]

The chart was posted here a couple of times... and everywhere else on the Internet.

It was like, the most discussed aspect of the show.

This is true.
The shipping was well known from that original promo chart posted months ago.

It just baffles me that they can fly at high altitudes with no pants
then again they may or may not have explained this because I never finished it



I know you're ok with that being a reason but it doesn't work for me when they pull the drama card and want you to care about whats going on

Im not always ok with cute just for cute's sake, but I will accept it of course.
I havent watched Strike witches.

 

[BluWacky]

I guess the point is that every SSY image is a spoiler now since if you just started watching, you'd have no idea there was a time jump.

I think knowing that the show will skip into the future is unlikely to negatively affect your enjoyment of the show. I don't think people complain when people post about the time skips in Gurren Lagann without spoiler marks, for instance. It's not a crucial plot element that the show covers different periods of time, and the anime staff have been pretty upfront about it, with the key visual on the show's website showing images from the timeskip for weeks now.

But I DO think that, regardless of what the general sentiment towards From The New World became in this thread once 7th posted sexchart.jpg (which was a massive spoiler IMO, but I believe he only linked it), the relationship stuff should be off-limits in images.

There are certain big key things that I think are major spoilers for a show, which are:

i) Relationships you can't predict from a basic synopsis of the show, whether familial or romantic
ii) Deaths and rebirths
iii) Sudden character appearances when they are thought to be absent from a show for whatever reason
iv) Major plot revelations

Those are things I personally wouldn't post images revealing because I believe they can spoil enjoyment of a show for other people.

However, this comes from someone who doesn't watch anime comedies. I'd never really considered, say, how all the Chuunibyou GIFs affect people who watch that show - presumably they spoil all the good jokes/sequences in advance and so make it less fun to watch, but do people think of them as "spoilers" in the same way?

This is true.
The shipping was well known from that original promo chart posted months ago.

It wasn't a promo chart. It was fanmade. Massive spoiler.

 

[Taruranto]

Shin Sekai yori #8 - Dem Bononos

Ugh. What the hell was this shit? Direction was awful, it looked like they didn't even care. (which weird, since i think they definitely cared, since they animated so many scenes that probably alienated a certain audience.)

Anyway, direction and QUALITY everywhere killed the episode. I would have preferred if they had divided the whole episode in two halves with better pacing/direction, i couldn't care less about

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Satoru and Shun's relationship the way it was portrayed, or Shun going away suddenly (btw what's up with his face? He looked completely different every single time). Ironically, the one i felt more empathy is Mamoru because his (unrequited) love for Maria had at least some basis)

Really disappointed by this animu so far. After the third episode the quality really went down.

 

[Jex]

[Psycho Pass] - 6

This isn't a value judgement on the show itself, but I find it interesting how brazenly Urobochi delivers exactly what people are looking for from a genre work. As it's a show where murders are investigated you need to have the traditional 'grizzly' murder that will appal and disturb the audience by how cruel and vicious it is. Obviously Urobochi is no stranger to "dark" material but that's not why material is present in this show, I think people who are making that comparison probably haven't seen enough of this kind of cop show. It's certainly not unique to his particular writing style.

I suppose that's why you get him to write your project - his work has commercial appeal because he can carefully tailor his style to fit the required genre and audience.

 

[firehawk12]

However, this comes from someone who doesn't watch anime comedies. I'd never really considered, say, how all the Chuunibyou GIFs affect people who watch that show - presumably they spoil all the good jokes/sequences in advance and so make it less fun to watch, but do people think of them as "spoilers" in the same way?

It's why I've always had trouble posting about Gintama, because it's really tempting to post the punchlines to jokes... because obviously the punchline is the most interesting part of any comedy.

That said, you go down a rabbit hole when you basically make people afraid to post anything whatsoever.

I know when I posted about Sukitte, I debated whether or not to post the image of the stretch marks because I knew that was a pivotal moment of the episode. But I wanted to write about the stretch marks because of how different it was to most anime, in which how a character looks is almost never discussed to any real degree (I haven't seen a pimple joke in ages, for example)... I also wanted to make a case as to why someone might want to watch the show. But do you give away the best reason to watch a show up front? Or do you dance around it to avoid "spoiling" it but also risk not catching anyone's attention?

I suppose the point is moot since only three people are watching Sukitte anyway, but this crap did go through my head. lol

I also suppose that making a blog is the best way to address those concerns... but no thanks.

 

[Jex]

I mean, at some point, casting and character designs are spoilers as well. Should we just tag all production notes and images? Should this thread look like a redacted CIA memo about Area 51? I have no idea either.

The thing is, people are generally pretty good when it comes to spoiler tagging the wording of their posts. Everyone seems to do whatever they feel is appropriate and the thread is still readable, it's not just pages of black bars everywhere.

 

[firehawk12]

The thing is, people are generally pretty good when it comes to spoiler tagging the wording of their posts. Everyone seems to do whatever they feel is appropriate and the thread is still readable, it's not just pages of black bars everywhere.

Well, depends on who you cater to.

I mean, I was half joking when I said the Chihayafuru character design thing was a spoiler. Someone who actually cares could consider that a spoiler.

And during the Penguindrum days, it was black bar central. Well, in my case it wasn't because I had that all off, but still. lol

 

[Articalys]

I mean, I was half joking when I said the Chihayafuru character design thing was a spoiler. Someone who actually cares could consider that a spoiler.

I'll admit that was my fault since I didn't watch the first season; I've since gone back and changed it into a link. Sorry about that.

 

[Jex]

Well, depends on who you cater to.

I mean, I was half joking when I said the Chihayafuru character design thing was a spoiler. Someone who actually cares could consider that a spoiler.

And during the Penguindrum days, it was black bar central. Well, in my case it wasn't because I had that all off, but still. lol

Well at the moment perhaps there's nothing people are particularly interested in discussing!

 

[DiGiKerot]

I told you all I had seen the light, and I did not lie:



So...tempted...to...go...

Oh, man, I'm totally going to try and see this next Saturday!

 

[firehawk12]

I'll admit that was my fault since I didn't watch the first season; I've since gone back and changed it into a link. Sorry about that.

No worries. I think it's as much a spoiler as say, posting a picture from the latter half of K-On! that shows (obtuse Chihayafuru spoiler, sort of, maybe, don't read if you really care)

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Asuza joining the club

. So I don't know. That's why I think everyone should just be fair game. It'd make my life easier anyway. lol

Well at the moment perhaps there's nothing people are particularly interested in discussing!

True, but it just makes it odious to go through a thread sometimes. It's also why I use the image scaler script, so that if someone posts a giant image that would stretch the browser window to hell, it doesn't affect my experience because the image is automatically scaled to fit my resolution. It's all personal preference, I suppose. I just prefer an uninterrupted reading experience.

 

[Regulus Tera]

Well at the moment perhaps there's nothing people are particularly interested in discussing!

Calm before the storm. It is Saturday after all.

 

[firehawk12]

Calm before the storm. It is Saturday after all.

I expect 10 pages of SAO talk... all with black bars!

 

[Dresden]

I expect 10 pages of SAO talk... all with black bars!

It's just going to be gifs and incest talk.

 

[Uchip]

so why is it still called Sword Art Online when theyre not in

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Sword Art Online?

 

[Brazil]

so why is it still called Sword Art Online when theyre not in

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Sword Art Online?

Because brand recognition.

The same reason why the Twilight films are still called Twilight.

 

[Articalys]

Looks like Trigger posted a handful of stills from that recent Anime Mirai PV to their Facebook page. Here's three of them:

The rest are at the link.

 

[Dedication Through Light]

so why is it still called Sword Art Online when theyre not in

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Sword Art Online?

?

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arent they still using sword art online servers?

 

[Uchip]

The same reason why the Twilight films are still called Twilight.

if id seen them id know what you meant!

 

[Kagami]

Just finished watching the movie!
Some ??? popped over my head at a few things, and the character CG models bugged me, but overall it was pretty satisfying. Will probably write more about it later.

It doesn't come with Spats?! Fail!

Haha, as far as I know there aren't any spats-wearing characters, but I guess spats might be OK if they're short enough and/or thin enough.

(And what would happen at a Strike Witches concert? Were there even any songs in the movie? lol)

The first two series had their OP and ED songs, respectively, a couple of insert songs, at least one character song per character, and songs for the games (PS2, DS (2), Xbox/PSP.)
The movie brings an ED song, and a new set of character song CDs that don't yet have a release date, but I would guess they'll probably sing them at the 2013 concert along with some of the previous songs.

Also, is there going to be a sequel movie or sequel TV series? Or was the "To be continued" just something pointless they added to the end of the movie? lol

There's no official news yet, but I like to think they wouldn't write that if they didn't have some real plans.

 

[Brazil]

Shinsekai yori 8

Good. I was starting to miss all this weird stuff.

I love how they throw stuff like

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everyone suddenly going TL or :SDBurton

at the viewers like we're supposed to be familiar with such a weird society. This is not sarcasm, by the way: I find that very appealing.

Usually we'd have to go through so much exposition that every other episode would be Fate/Zero 1.

if id seen them id know what you meant!

Only the first book is called Twilight, and yet all the films carry the word in their titles.

 

[Canis lupus]

Today, should really be the day I resume watching anime. (say this everytime but keep delaying it aarrggh)

 

[Uchip]

Only the first book is called Twilight, and yet all the films carry the word in their titles.

oh...
one of the stranger naming decisions is dragonball Z
the original manga is still called dragonball, it just continues

 

[Regulus Tera]

Looks like Trigger posted a handful stills from that recent Anime Mirai PV to their Facebook page. Here's three of them:

The rest are at the link.

i need em in my veins

 

[Steroyd]

Seitokai no Ichizon Lv2 - 04

Today I watched Seitokai No Ichizon level 2 episode 4.

It was about collecting survey's about what people wanted out of the school.

MC gained some love points with the violent girl.

That is all.

End.

 

[Basileus777]

Seitokai no Ichizon Lv2 - 04

Today I watched Seitokai No Ichizon level 2 episode 4.

It was about collecting survey's about what people wanted out of the school.

MC gained some love points with the violent girl.

That is all.

End.

Seitokai no Ichizon is that incredibly rare show that got worse once DEEN stopped working on it.

 

[dimb]

Looks like Trigger posted a handful of stills from that recent Anime Mirai PV to their Facebook page. Here's three of them:

The rest are at the link.

This looks cool as all heck.

 

[Uchip]

This looks cool as all heck.

it looks pretty dynamic
is it a movie or a tv show?

 

[dimb]

it looks pretty dynamic
is it a movie or a tv show?

TV special I think.

 

[R_thanatos]

?

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arent they still using sword art online servers?

As of now ( ep 20 )

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different servers , same company ..the SAO data was deleted during the end game event

Seitokai no Ichizon is that incredibly rare show that got worse once DEEN stopped working on it.

i'm sad ... the first season had intensity and was filled with good moments .. all of that was gone when i watched the first 2 eps of "LV2"

 

[Kagami]

I never understood the purpose of the strike witches having animal features

Witches form pacts with animal familiars in order to use magic, and using magic causes those features of their familiars to manifest.
The familiars have actually appeared in some other media--the original pilot OVA, the Suomus novels, and one of the manga--but the TV production staff decided 11 characters who all needed attention was pushing it already time-wise, so in the TV series they avoided bringing up the familiars as separate entities.

Strike Witches Pre-TV OVA

 

[Uchip]

Witches form pacts with animal familiars in order to use magic, and using magic causes those features of their familiars to manifest.
The familiars have actually appeared in some other media--the original pilot OVA, the Suomus novels, and one of the manga--but the TV production staff decided 11 characters who all needed attention was pushing it already time-wise, so in the TV series they avoided bringing up the familiars as separate entities.

Strike Witches Pre-TV OVA

yeah im pretty sure they never mentioned those
wait
did the girls even HAVE magic? didnt they just shoot guns? my memory is extremely foggy in regards to that show

 

[duckroll]

Someone on 2ch posted something pretty interesting. We all know that anime does quite a bit of location scouting for art direction and backgrounds, to use as reference, etc. A Japanese fan has spotted what appears to be two completely different shows using the same relative obscure (?) neighborhood as a reference for a similar looking scene in each show.

 

[Taruranto]

lol, that's quite a catch!

Reminds me of this:

 

[cajunator]

Bunny waifu arrived

 

[Geneijin]

But then there is the meta-discussion about whether it really is a spoiler when the show is based on novels which seem to be at least somewhat known in Japan. When promoting the anime in the months before the show aired, it was hardly a secret that the story spans many years and is divided into different parts, much like LotR.

If the people creating the show feel that it is something viewers should know about before a show even airs, I guess the question is whether special protection should be afforded to such a plot point. Who would be protected? Those on total media blackout for the show? Then the question should be whether such persons should be participating in a thread like this to begin with.

I'm definitely interested in what other people think about it though, since this "problem" can't really be solved by a single person. Especially when it is debatable as to whether it is a problem to begin with.

Should looking up supplemental information/material be part of the requirement of watching a TV show? Do TV shows strive for a self-contained experience or is the audience expected to wiki things alongside their viewing? If that information isn't conveyed in the show, I don't think it should be regarded as integral to the respective show. Could it be considered a spoiler still? Definitely. As someone who likes to judge a show on its own merits, I don't like the idea of media being supplemental to my experience of watching.

Someone on 2ch posted something pretty interesting. We all know that anime does quite a bit of location scouting for art direction and backgrounds, to use as reference, etc. A Japanese fan has spotted what appears to be two completely different shows using the same relative obscure (?) neighborhood as a reference for a similar looking scene in each show.

Shit, they're in the same universe! Did Tari Tari happen before or after Zetsuen?

 

[Uchip]

your camera sucks
just letting you know
cute figure though

 

[Dedication Through Light]

As of now ( ep 20 )

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different servers , same company ..the SAO data was deleted during the end game event

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But how did Kirito inherit his skills and etc if the stuff was deleted, and imagine the same for the 200 other people or so who were still "trapped"?

Fairy Tail 157

Favorite Blue Pegasus, Eve-kun.

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Fairy Tail B

reveal was just as shocking here as in the manga, oh well Natsu v

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Gajeel

moment was hilarious and good.

The ED doesnt fit the tone of the episode.

 

[cajunator]

your camera sucks
just letting you know
cute figure though

I didnt use flash and its in low light conditions so as not to wake up my brother nearby.
Also its just my camera phone.
I should invest in a new camera.