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Makes sense. They're too fat to grab the food and run, so they have to steal the food less directly.
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Customers Called 'Fat' on Restaurant Bill
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Makes sense. They're too fat to grab the food and run, so they have to steal the food less directly.
None of those things has anything to do with weight.
Slim people are just as likely to have poor hygiene, mood swings, things that offend them, and "kill themselves".
Do you feel the same way watching a slim person eat a burger as you do a heavier person? How about when a slim person is sitting in front of the TV? Or drinking a soft drink? They're both doing the exact same thing to their bodies at that moment. You should be equally disgusted if you are truly concerned about the person's health. But people look at it differently because of prejudice and discrimination.
Somehow these negative traits and activities are used to say "I am totally affected by this heavy person!" But these aren't unique to them. Everyone of every body shape and every health level is just as likely to be any of those things listed.
I once heard about a person who urinated in bottles instead of going to the bathroom. This was a slim person. Therefore, all slim people (and only slim people since that's all I've heard of!) urinate in bottles and it disgusts me. Slim people are gross. We should all shame them and insult them openly!
Their weight has nothing to do with how service at a restaurant works. In the hospital, it's fine for me to say "mrs. so and so is a 47 year old morbidly obese person", because it is relevant to my job.
I dont want to go into a restaurant and be labeled by my hair, shirt, pants, eyes, weight, ethnicity etc. Table 5 will do.
Yes. Because they come to you (as a doctor) for health advice. Completely fine in that case.
Look at how sweaty he is. He looks uncomfortable. What a ridiculous situation.
Even though these women are fat, and should probably just get over it and not bring it to the media, the server labeled them wrong. Their weight has nothing to do with how service at a restaurant works. In the hospital, it's fine for me to say "mrs. so and so is a 47 year old morbidly obese person", because it is relevant to my job.
I dont want to go into a restaurant and be labeled by my hair, shirt, pants, eyes, weight, ethnicity etc. Table 5 will do.
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Are you really going to do this?
Even if all things were equal between two people, the whole being fat part of the fat person is just one more thing her or she has that may bring about mood swings, bouts of depression, and sensitivity at the slightest quip.
By having two dichotomous examples to work from, and using only one as his schema?
Yes I am really going to do this. Because I believe people are equally human regardless of size. Are you really going to defend treating people like trash?
And maybe that slim person has something that is "just one more thing" too. Perhaps they didn't have the best childhood growing up. Or they just lost a family member. Or any other infinite possibilities that could cause depression, mood swings, and sensitivity to certain topics.
One of my saddest moments was when a client baked us a pie. There was maybe 1/3 left and I just stole the pan, hid in the single person bathroom, and ate it. Later in the day when the people who didnt have a slice yet went to get their pie, it was gone. I played it off like I had no idea.
Typing that out doesnt make me feel good at all. Its kind of funny, really, but also very sad and stupid.
Id also swipe money from the coffee fund at work and use it to buy myself candy bars.
freenudemacusers
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eating pie in a company bathroom. bro...
Omegasquash
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The delivery on this gave me a chuckle.
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Deleted member 17706
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No, I don't defend treating people poorly or being unkind in general. I posted way earlier in the thread that people should never comment on another person's physical or cosmetic features unless they are looking for a fight.
However, I do think that being fat is a negative aspect and if all other things were equal between two people, the fat person would still have a higher propensity to become depressed, have mood swings, and be sensitive.
This is one of the biggest problems in this threads current form. Anyone who isn't on the same side of the debate is agreeing with treating people like trash. I fail to see where Zefah has implied that he agrees with the bad treatment of obese people?
faceless007
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Arguing for hiring discrimination against fat people even where the job's physical requirements would not be affected is pretty bad treatment, yes.
Fat people deserve to have a livelihood too.
Who's doing that currently though? One person? That's being generous.
LightofRohan
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Goddamit ignorant people. You got to stop attributing fat to being unhealthy and being skinny to being healthy. It's a terrible mindset to establish and causes more harm than the "obesity epidemic" could ever cause.
This is why this:
Is a major problem and assholes just keep perpetuating this bullshit. Of course calling them fat should not be offensive (just like if he was to write skinny), but that is how that word is perceived in this age. Encourage better health, not dwell on #'s/BMI.
This is why this:
Is a major problem and assholes just keep perpetuating this bullshit. Of course calling them fat should not be offensive (just like if he was to write skinny), but that is how that word is perceived in this age. Encourage better health, not dwell on #'s/BMI.
Alright. I am sorry. I am clearly mixing up some users and/or incorrectly conflating two arguments into one. I still do not agree with you but I must apologize for accusing you of advocating poor treatment of others.
I erred in my assumptions about Zefah.
But I still think that arguing that a heavier person is inherently worse than a slimmer person is absolutely discriminatory. And there are certainly many mean-spirited posts and arguments in favour of the "fat = subhuman" mindset in this thread.
faceless007
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So I'm not supposed to reply to just one person even if I disagree with them?
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Well... the thing is, being fat IS unhealthy. A thin person may or may not be unhealthy, but having too much adipose tissue is most definitely unhealthy.
Not currently. Those posts happened many pages ago. Still it takes a good person to apologize. Most people would just pretend it didn't happen.
You really shouldn't put words in my mouth? I said that you shouldn't assume everyone with a stance that isn't the same as your own is advocating the bad treatment of obese people. Even if there is this one person, you weren't even replying to them.
This thread isn't about underweight people.
LightofRohan
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Why not dwell on the underweight individuals then? It's much more unhealthy and leads to shorter life spans than being "fat". And you can be fat and be unhealthy, just like you can be thin and be unhealthy. Perpetuating the notion that being thin is beautiful/healthy is dangerous.
A fat happy person can be my friend. A fat unhappy person can't. A slim happy person can be my friend. A slim unhappy person can't. Pretty certain I'm done with obese.
If someones bringing me down all the time and they can legitimately do something about it they can fuck right off. I'm gonna get old one day and if I can fucking help it I'm gonna be useful as long as I can, financially, spiritually, etc. When I can't hopefully I've done enough good that I get return care. Til then I do what I can.
If I could go back in time Id slap some fucking sense into my skinny self. What a waste of precious life. I even started drinking heavily at one point. Way to make myself even more repellant lol.
Can't wait til someone jumps in and says oh wait drinking is okay! You brought up another slippery slope! No I didn't, stop arguing. I'm not banning alcohol someone having a couple drinks gambling drugs video games or cheese cake. Have your fun but don't make it a problem. If its a problem its YOUR problem, not mine.
And this thread has held me hostage long enough. If someone doesn't get it from what I'm saying, they aren't ready to stop blaming others and don't understand basic human nature. I earned my right to put myself on blast, I made it hard work to be my friend. Or more accurately I was installed with some bad behaviors as someone pointed out.
If someone had actually described to me what was hapening beyond simple statements, perhaps I wouldn't have endured years of suffering.
"You spelled happening wrong! And oh no another slippery slope you're blaming your parents!"
To infinity and beyond this thread can continue and I can be a focus of venom, except I already know what argumentative people like to do... create an argument. There's no actual end to the argument.
Anyway, if a person extrapolates useful info from what I've said that's pretty cool. Or you know just keep going: "You know what you said there is bad!"
And in the time it took to write this, instead I could have been doing pullups and someone else could have done a few minutes on the exercise bike. People love a good comeback story, and if they don't well, to hell with them.
Right, I'm horrible, thanks. Hope it helped someone. Thick skin engage.
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Because, in developing countries at least, we have an obesity problem, not an underweight problem.
LightofRohan
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Are you kidding me? Did you not see this:
And this is a plague on the younger generation as well...
Obesity is definitely something that should be monitored and we should put out the help needed for those individuals to help maintain their weight. But saying obesity is the only issue and is the biggest health concern is wrong... and again being fixated on the weight # is not healthy for anyone.
This also makes the "skinny fat" people feel as if they are somehow immune to being unhealthy and are often times a lot less healthy than those in the Obese category. Which results in a lot more damage because of the invisibility of it.
I'm not saying everyone has to go out and hug a fat person, but to just inform those that think harassing, embarrassing, publicly lecturing an obese person is a positive and to stop acting like you are doing this for solely "health reasons".
GungHo
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No, the actual widespread "acceptance movement" is the "accept that this is my business and shut up about it" movement. The fat people know they're fat. They see it every day in the mirror. Coming along behind them and confirming to them that they're fat and telling them they shouldn't be fat doesn't tell them something they don't already know.
They don't want to hear doom stats. They don't want to hear how bad it is for their health. They don't want to hear about how they're a burden to society. They don't want to hear about how they're gonna die at 45. They don't want to be told they're safety hazards on busses and airplanes. They don't even want your compassion, or your sympathy, or your support. They just want to drink their large soda in peace.
They took away his supersize fries.
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This is awesome. Bravo, sir.
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I'm not going to deny the problem exists--of course it does, but you're comparing 8 million people to 36% of American adults who are obese (not just overweight).
This sounds like people with disordered eating. Probably as a result of calorie restriction. That secret weight-loss technique, so simple, only stupid fat people can't understand it. People do crazy things when they restrict their caloric intake.
Eating disorders total far more than 8 million people and they exist across the board with regards to age and gender.
Chronic overeating is a fucking eating disorder. Eating nothing but trash is a fucking eating disorder.
Yourself included.
Strength left? Utter bollocks. You can prepare and cook a nutritious, healthy, family meal in 20 minutes. What you've described is an excuse to not cook your own food, not a reason.
For maybe 0.0001% of the population. Unless people have a specific medical condition, syndrome or disease, this is another frequent excuse that has no baring on reality. Maybe 30+ years ago, if you saw some obese in public, chances are they would have had compounding medical reasons why they were fat. But not today. There aren't hundreds of millions of obese people because they've got special fat genes that have just started appearing in humans.
An important point that you haven't mentioned, which is a genuine cause of obesity, rather than another excuse, is food poverty. This is when access to healthy, non fattening food is either not readily available where someone lives, or not affordable. The foods that cause obesity are cheap to produce and cheap to buy. In some areas, that is all that's available to buy.
As I've been banging on about in this thread, the primary cause of obesity is *what* people eat. Not laziness, not gluttony, but foods that fuck with the body's chemistry and make you fat.
Another point is the spread of childhood obesity. Apart from the health impact to the kids, this has the knock on effect that a generation of people can have lived their entire life, not knowing what it's like to be a normal weight. You see a fat teenager, and to just dismiss them as lazy ignores that fact that they have not been in control over their diet. The fault of their size lies entirely with their parents. But then, you have to look within the context of the socio-economic standing of the family and whether food poverty is the underlying cause.
There have been studies that show different results, so I take that one web article with a pinch of salt. Not to mention, you can raise your metabolism through exercise and increasing muscle mass.
Even if the above were true, you wouldn't have to *eat* 20% less, you'd have to consume 20% fewer calories. That's an important distinction. Not all foods have the same calorific density. The high carb, obesity forming foods all are calorifically dense foods. You can eat more food, yet consume fewer calories, by changing what you eat.
That's the whole point behind low card, high protein/high fat diets. You can eat until you're physically full, the food will trigger the correct hormonal response that tells your brain when you're hungry, and yet, you'll have consumed fewer calories than eating a similar sized, carb based meal. Anecdotally, I have never encountered anyone who eats a lower carb, higher protein & fat diet and not see success in losing and/or maintaining weight. While at the same time, not feeling constantly hungry, and having consistent energy levels as their blood sugar levels aren't spiking and crashing.
Okay. I admit I'm not an expert in weight gain/loss. I just wanted to point out it wasn't a matter of someone just liking Pizza too much or something that causes it in many cases. I know that much at least. That not everyone who is over the ideal weight are at fault for being that way or at fault for having a hard time losing it.
Okay. Maybe I worded it wrong and poorly. I just wanted to suggest a situation of poverty (as you mention later in your post).
It takes me more than 20 minutes to cook a proper meal (including preparation and clean up). Maybe we're just slow at cooking in this house.
I doubt 0.0001% is accurate. Some people are just more predisposed to have certain body shapes. Some people lose weight/keep fit easier than others.
I meant to but clearly did a poor job.
That was what I was trying to say. Again - poorly. It's not as simple as the person being lazy or "choosing" to be the shape that they are.
Fair, but it's still worth considering as much as the other studies too.
I'm not particularly familiar with diets. But I was under the impression that low carb didn't mean you really eat more. You still eat less, but you feel fuller with less. Like, eating some bacon would keep you satiated longer than eating a slice of bread? But yes, I misspoke by saying eating "less food" when it should be "less calories".
Anyway, thanks for writing things better than I did. I'm not disagreeing with the things you say. I tried to say some of the same things but didn't do as well. Sorry for the confusion.
The entire point of what I said was just that "I can treat them poorly because they choose to be fat" wasn't really a valid excuse for hateful behaviour.
I just care about treating people right because, though my situation is different, I know being discriminated against hurts. And it bothers me quite a bit that it's an acceptable practice in this case against this group of people.
We do have an obesity epidemic, and being obese is VERY unhealthy. There is simply no way around it.
Overweight? Sure, you can still be healthy, but obese is a completely different since your risk factors for a number of diseases and health issues sky rocket if youre obese
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Hard to see why any of them would want to.
ColonelColon
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This really only applies to women. I don't think having a healthily, thin body is really socially acceptable if you're a dude.
You're deduded.
uhh, what??
That's true. I was just addressing the common misnomer that you have to starve yourself to keep at a normal weight. You can eat until full, yet still maintain (or even, lose) weight, if you eat the right foods.
Your point about bacon is a good one. At the weekend, I always eat bacon & eggs (& mushrooms, spinach etc) for breakfast. Sometimes eat a fuck load of it, and could consume more than 50% of my daily calorific needs from the one meal. But on the occasions I do eat this much, it will keep me feeling full for most of the day. Not physically full - that feeling passes within the hour. But I'm not getting signals to my brain say 'EAT MORE FOOD'.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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I can't figure out why almost everyone hates their body no matter what.
Escape Goat
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Fat people cannot be heroes confirmed.
ColonelColon
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Even in this topic, a guy posted about how he was bullied for being skinny/not muscular.
My problem wasnt calorie restriction. It was ignorance and not giving a shit.
I lost the weight by counting calories. The issues described in that article you linked never applied to me. Im not saying this is the case for everyone but thats how things were for me.
Well if it happened to a skinny guy then all is fair I guess.
ProfessorMoran
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The dinner bill for three friends at Chilly D's Restaurant stung, but it wasn't the price - printed on the top of the receipt were the words "Fat Girls".
"I got the bill, I was looking at bill [and] I was like, 'Why does this receipt say 'fat girls?'" customer Christine Duran said.
The friends had dined out at the Stockton, Calif., restaurant, which is a part of the Cameo Casino Restaurant, on Thursday. The bill lists charges for three tri-tips with fries and three sodas, for a total of $25.50. A bartender named Jeff had apparently typed in "Fat Girls" to keep track of their bill.
When Duran asked a manager for an explanation, he "had like a smirk on his face, like it was funny but trying not to laugh," she said.
http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blog...rant-bill-165554715--abc-news-topstories.html
Jeff was just telling it like it is.
I wonder if they would complain about being treated like a number, if there was only a customer# on the bill.
Okay so you're just crazy. (and I say this as someone who would also be tempted to take a pie or a cake into the shitter.)
It was a damn good pie.
Are you kidding? Of course 8 million people with eating disorders is an important issue. I dont think anybody would say that obesity is the only issue. It is probably one of the me most important health issues though, and affects more people.
according to wikipedia
"In 2010, the CDC reported higher numbers once more, counting 35.7% of American adults as obese, and 17% of American children."
also, the U.S. has "As much as 64% of the United States adult population is considered either overweight or obese, and this percentage has increased over the last four decades".
So.. with an adult population of 225,147,660 according to online sources, that would put over 80 million people into the obese category and 144 million people in the overweight category. That's not including those under 18.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Individually shaming people is going to reverse this trend, guys. The problem has been that people aren't made fun of enough.
Satire of your comments aside, the flips side of this is accepting obesity will see it get even more of an issue than today.
What does piss me off if vanity sizing. In the past 10 years, I have gone from a Medium, to Small, to now sometimes even XS or XXS. Even though my body shape hasn't changed at all.
Even waist sizes are fucked. 30" should be thirty inches, not just another arbitrary size. I often have to find 28" waist jeans, to fit my 30" waist.
This just reinforces this idea that people's expanding bodies are now normal, and that what was fat a decade or two ago is now seen as the average.
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