We got new mods, maybe we can impeach him lol.
But I think we've reached a point where the haters of the haters are easier to hate than the haters.
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GAF, is Xenoblade getting snubbed?
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We got new mods, maybe we can impeach him lol.
But I think we've reached a point where the haters of the haters are easier to hate than the haters.
Rebel Leader
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Though I hoped it would win some sort of GOTY award. I was also hoping it would be on some lists which I'm happy with
Mr. MondayNight
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I laughed harder than I should have thank you.
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
Arc Rise Fantasia had some interesting systems and worked pretty well, and my timing was pretty good since it scratched a "traditional RPG" itch. Story and characters were not so good though, it was far from a complete package.
I didn't really like Last Story much at all. It felt like FFXIII with a town hub and worse combat. At least some of the characters were good.
The only other Wii RPG I've played is Fire Emblem, and it's really good. But that's a SRPG so I'm not sure it counts, and I can't speak for anything else.
I think Xenoblade is more of a complete package and ultimately more enjoyable than both Last Story and ARF. No game is going to be for everyone though, so it's understandable that you'll see complaints, especially when it comes to JRPGs which can vary so dramatically and still manage to fall under that label.
(Though some of the complaints here are kind of baffling, why would you make any determination about the story or characters when you're less than 20% through the game? Xenoblade's main story doesn't even start until nearly halfway through.)
But you know, I could probably complain more about Xenoblade than most of it's detractors and I really like the game. The fact Takahashi sees it as an experiment is fantastic news to me and makes me look forward to his next project, because they have a great foundation to build and improve on.
And more on topic, the fact a niche game like that was nominated so regularly says enough to me. I couldn't really care less if whether or not it wins, but it's getting respect just for being there in the first place. Especially considering how little "formal" marketing it got.
oh? if you dont give a fair shake to a X game, how in the world should anyone take your opinion seriously?
I hated the first 5 hours of Muramasa but I did finish the game. Loved at the end. I hated RE6 right out the bad and I did also finish the game. I hated RE6,.
This is how it should go. I did only play x amount of hours of such game. I didn't enjoyed it, I can only say that it is not for me or I found x game boring after playing x amount of hours.
Such people opinion are dismissed by default.
Xenoblade is not a game for everyone.
Good for you.
Xenoblade is not a perfect game at all. In fact one of the weakest point of Xenoblade is the side quest system. Not everyone is going to beat 120+ quest to enjoy the good ones after.
But he's not wrong at all. This and Dark Souls release were 2 of the most aggravating times to be on Gaf with the fanboy spam being just about everywhere.
he wasn't questioning that, which is always subjective anyways whether you like it or not, but his ways of using offensive words directed at a certain group of people, which is something one wouldn't expect from a mod
Eh I'm not one to get my panties bunched over someone calling me a fanboy, mod or not. That's pretty low on the offensive scale.
pants
Member
The same thing happens for Halo, Killzone, Zelda, Super Mario Bros, particular indies etc. I don't see this being a unique situation for this set of fans. The overall behavior is super annoying though.
me neither, but I would tend to avoid calling people names and direct my hatred towards the games themselves if need to...or use ironic language
Hoya Destroyer
Member
I havent played Xenoblade but just from looking at Google images, its easy to see why it wouldnt get much interest in the West.
JimboJones
Member
I kinda hate the argument that because it was on a system starved of games and in particular RPG's that somehow this means it's undeserving of what it accomplished and that it wasn't a really well made package.
I had all the major systems at the time including portables, my choice is not limited in what games I play but I still think it was a great game and ticked most of the boxes I want in an RPG.
Now yes, posts making it out to be the second coming oh Christ are taking it a bit far and maybe wii only owners with limited game choices amplified that.
I had all the major systems at the time including portables, my choice is not limited in what games I play but I still think it was a great game and ticked most of the boxes I want in an RPG.
Now yes, posts making it out to be the second coming oh Christ are taking it a bit far and maybe wii only owners with limited game choices amplified that.
Really? Personally, I hated FFXIII (biggest disappointment of the entire generation for me), yet quite enjoyed The Last Story, and felt that if SE were so insistent on going with a more active combat system, they should've attempted something closer to what TLS used (in terms of general mechanics, as well as accounting for environmental interaction during battles). As with Xenoblade, I regard TLS as superior to the likes of FFXIII in every way, and see HD graphics as the only thing that failure of SE's has going for it.
But, to each their own.
pieatorium
Member
They get hyped but you dont really see people jumping into every fps thread spamming about Halo, probably Mario gets brought up a decent amount in platformer threads but its a 25 year benchmark for the genre. Noone does this for killzone as far as I have seen.
Other games to add to the overhyped bring it up relentlsy brigade are Vanquish and Bayonetta
pants
Member
Yeah I'm probably being harsh on Halo and killzone fans, they tent to stick to their own corners of GAF. Super Mario Galaxy fans have the exact same behavior set as described above though.
Well wow... gamers who are passionate about something... it's an emergency. I've never played Xenoblade, but have you ever considered that it is, in fact, normal for people who have a hobby to be passionate and vocal about something? Maybe it's something you don't find appealing, but that's not a valid reason for calling such people out. The lack of tolerance is the thing that is insufferable.
This particular issue isn't exactly on-topic anyway, and I'm not 100% sure how this side conversation started...
pieatorium
Member
Oh yeah I forgot about 3d mario that would definately be another
It's fine to be passionate just don't shit up threads for other games or shit on othr games brcause of your zealotry
Yeah platinum games in general are another batch of things people act stupid over. I think it's some kind of inferiority complex since these are all super niche japanese games. All this talk this gen about how bad these devs are now and when something comes along they think is really great then the whole western world needs to know about it.
Confusinfusing Xenoblade for another RPG from Nintendo there ducky.
Buggy Loop
Member
Not enough mountain dew or doritos points.
Lets not forget whats puts butter on their bread, marketing money, ad space that publishers pay for the game's release. Why do games from big publishers that are just A quality would be scored like AAA? $$$
They cant back down at the GOTY awards even though they skimmed the campaign as fast as possible to give a big fat 9.5+ score so the publisher will continue making sweet deals and exclusive coverage of the futur sequel.
Lets not forget whats puts butter on their bread, marketing money, ad space that publishers pay for the game's release. Why do games from big publishers that are just A quality would be scored like AAA? $$$
They cant back down at the GOTY awards even though they skimmed the campaign as fast as possible to give a big fat 9.5+ score so the publisher will continue making sweet deals and exclusive coverage of the futur sequel.
AuthenticM
Member
It's not getting snubbed; it's just that now many people have played it, me included. The reason ? The game was on the Wii.
pieatorium
Member
The Mtn Dew excuse doesn't fly when the walking dead is sweeping all the awards
UltimaKilo
Gold Member
I don't understand this, Xenoblade is arguably the best game of the generation.
Vane_MagicCity
Banned
Final Fantasy XII is better though.
Very arguably. It's certainly up there for best JRPG though.
I feel like TWD getting the awards was more a reaction to the "The only games that win are these fucking AAA games payed for by these massive publishers and lowest common denominators players are derpa derp stupid yadda yadda". Not to say TWD was bad, I thought it was very good but it felt like the industry trying to recoup its cred. At least that's how I see it, I have very, very little faith in these types of awards.
pants
Member
The Walking Dead is a IP that carries a lot of weight in media at the moment. What are award shows/articles if not viewer/clicker bait? One must be careful to attribute too much value to award stuff as it's metric of success is how many people clicked/viewed.
There is no actual news/walkthroughs/consumer information except self generated stuff, you wouldn't even have new game announcements at award shows if it wasn't a media spectacle.
I guess what I'm saying is award shows at it's core are a suspect practice and at odds with my understanding of what journalism is.
Odd, I thought FFXII Boared me to tears, and I loved Xenoblade to bits.
Guess we have to agreee to disagree there.
Meccanical
Member
I like both for different reasons.
They both made me realize that my favorite kind of dubs are dubs with British accents.
H_Prestige
Banned
Not everyone likes animu and jrpg battle systems.
Meccanical
Member
Eh it happens to everything popular eventually.
Not everyone likes buffed military guys and shooter galore either.
Yup, that's the real issue here... tons of anti-Japanese bias in the western press lately, coupled with anti-Wii and anti-Handheld bias. Unless it's a multimillion-dollar "AAA" game or a cellphone game with the depth of a puddle, the western media is content to ignore it. No Growlanser 4 on any of the RPG charts either, and that's a great game too...
Xenoblade is by far the best game I've played all generation. ME3 wasn't crap, but it had way too many issues to keep it from being anything more than an average, linear corridor shooter.
Well, this thread wasn't really about Neogaf, more about the press.
Its pretty known Neogaf opinion usually is an outlier.
bigdaddygamebot
Member
You're giving IGN too much credit. They simply need to pay Bioware for the opportunity one of their employees had to be a digital prostitute in Mass Effect 3.
It's the best disappointing RPG of the year...so...yes?
Meccanical
Member
It's not an RPG at all.
JRPGs other than (good) Final Fantasy titles are perpetually snubbed by the mainstream gaming press. Especially this generation. I am not sure why people expected a retailer exclusive release that was out a year ago in Europe and two years ago in Japan to buck that trend.
Xilium
Member
As previously mentioned, it has more to due with Xenoblade fans expressing their love for the game in every thread possible. This has been going on for 3 years now.
kswiston said:
The Soul games, Valkyria Chronicles, The World Ends with You, and Tales of Versperia got some nods here and there. I don't think JRPGs get snubbed at all, they simply haven't been able to compete with WRPGs this gen (which naturally appeal more to a western audience).
Uncle0wnage
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oh? if you dont give a fair shake to a X game, how in the world should anyone take your opinion seriously?
Playing 15+ hours of any game is giving it "a fair shake." You can't claim anyone who didn't complete a game 100% has an invalid opinion. To do so is rediculous.
I hated the first 5 hours of Muramasa but I did finish the game. Loved at the end. I hated RE6 right out the bad and I did also finish the game. I hated RE6, etc.
This is how it should go. I did only play x amount of hours of such game. I didn't enjoyed it, I can only say that it is not for me or I found x game boring after playing x amount of hours.
Such people opinion are dismissed by default.
You are wrong here. To expect someone to play 120+ hours of a game they do not enjoy just so you can view their opinion as valid is illogical and idiotic.
Xenoblade is not a game for everyone.
It is a game for the few, with very niche tastes.
oh? if you dont give a fair shake to a X game, how in the world should anyone take your opinion seriously?
Playing 15+ hours of any game is giving it "a fair shake." You can't claim anyone who didn't complete a game 100% has an invalid opinion. To do so is rediculous.
I hated the first 5 hours of Muramasa but I did finish the game. Loved at the end. I hated RE6 right out the bad and I did also finish the game. I hated RE6, etc.
This is how it should go. I did only play x amount of hours of such game. I didn't enjoyed it, I can only say that it is not for me or I found x game boring after playing x amount of hours.
Such people opinion are dismissed by default.
You are wrong here. To expect someone to play 120+ hours of a game they do not enjoy just so you can view their opinion as valid is illogical and idiotic.
Xenoblade is not a game for everyone.
It is a game for the few, with very niche tastes.
Xenoblade also got some nods here and there. I have seen it on several mainstream media top 10 lists this year. People seemed to be mostly pissed that it is not getting GOTY (or at least RPG of the year) everywhere.
The Souls games have a wider appeal than is typical for a JRPG, so I am not surprised they have been recognized.
As a (former) JRPG fan this gen has been very bad in terms of games released for the genre, the overall quality dropped by a lot, even on handhelds. The few games that deserved a nod got one.
Now that a niche genre doesn't get GOTY in mainstream publications is pretty natural isn't it? There's tons of great games in genres more niche than JRPG's that are aknowledged even less.
What has that got to do with it not getting an award on a games site?