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NVIDIA to release GeForce Titan
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oversitting
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die size increase cuts yields exponentially.
Fig. 9. (a) and (b) have the same defects but the yields are 38% and 79%, respectively with the chip edge of (a) double that of (b) (four times increase in chip area).
WeAreStarStuff
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This thing is a monster; love new tech.
Which product of theirs competes with Titan so as to force down its price?
According to PCPER, nvidia will just sell their professional Titan cards to the general population, without changes to the design.
michaelius
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That's not how producion of multibilion transistor count silicon parts work.
You want as few lines as possible and then you are optimising them all the time to improve yields.
oversitting
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well the 7970GE out right now is the top card. Their next gen card will likely be out by the time this comes.
SneakyStephan
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Read again, I said no such thing.
it has the same bus size as gtx 580 and a lower TDP (which suggests lower voltage, combined with the transistor count 3b@ 40nm vs 7b@28nm it also suggests the same or a smaller die than the gtx 580).
Nothing about this card makes it anything more than the successor to gtx 580, the lower tdp (and lower voltage) makes it cheaper too since they don't need to cherrypick parts that can run at very high clocks like with the gtx 580.
I hope I expressed myself better this time.
As xesphere and shambles have said, prices have been on the rise since the 460 released (with a sharp increase this gen) and it's turning out to be a repeat of 2005-2007.
Heh, I stuck with my radeon 9800pro all the way till 2009 because I refused to partake back then, looks like it'll be a repeat of that for me. I need to find me a new hobby.
IcyBlueStrawberry
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If this had come out 6 months ago I definitely would have gotten two of them. People claiming that this is overkill obviously aren't running high end rigs. Resolutions >1080p aside, there are still games that need a card like this to hit 60 fps. Hell, I'd be floored if Crysis 3 didn't need 2 of these to run at 60 fps @1080p alone.
Having said that, charging $900 for cards that should have come out at $600 a year ago is egregious. I couldn't justify spending this much on a year old video card when new video cards and consoles are on the horizon.
Having said that, charging $900 for cards that should have come out at $600 a year ago is egregious. I couldn't justify spending this much on a year old video card when new video cards and consoles are on the horizon.
BigTnaples
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Uh.
Any one here who is a fan of 60fps, 3D, Occulus Rift, Supersampling, higher than 1080p Resolution, Tessellation, etc could benefit greatly from this. And still be needing more horsepower. Especially with next gen fast approaching, and Crysis 3. PC gamers are starting to have reasons to upgrade more again, finally.
AstroNut325
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Yup. Seeing those kinds of comments makes me glad most members of GAF have no involvement with technology development/advancement.
SirButterstick
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I know right. I only have 2x 580s in my machine, but playing BF3 on a 120hz monitor at 120 fps, all Ultra settings, is a sight to behold.
Bulletstorm in 3d is impressive as well.
Go big or go console.
We should be blaming AMD for the price, because they're seemingly incapable of producing hardware powerful enough to compete with nVidia.
I'll definitely be waiting for a price drop of some kind, but this is good as I probably don't need to upgrade anyway, seeing as my 2yo PC is way more powerful than either of the next-gen consoles as it is.
I'll definitely be waiting for a price drop of some kind, but this is good as I probably don't need to upgrade anyway, seeing as my 2yo PC is way more powerful than either of the next-gen consoles as it is.
oversitting
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Ummm AMD had the most powerful card for the past 6 months...
The reason the prices are so high is because people are eating this stuff up. They are willing to pay for it so companies release them.
Only assuming that the drivers to fix frame latency issues are correct.
Gotta drop the FPS comparisons, they're limited and inaccurate.
Courtesy of TechReport's overview of the new beta drivers.
This same comparison generally holds true for 7970 vs. 680.
You are comparing dies with 100% size difference, while we're talking of a hypothetical difference of 14%. Try again.die size increase cuts yields exponentially.
Fig. 9. (a) and (b) have the same defects but the yields are 38% and 79%, respectively with the chip edge of (a) double that of (b) (four times increase in chip area).
AMD has no intention of making chip that has 7.1 billion transistors.
Their upcoming flagship card [8970] will have 5.1 billion [a lot!], which will be sold for ~400-450$.
I've already dropped quite a bit of info - the amount of wafers you order for your Tesla products are less than 1/12th of what you do for your Geforce line.
NM, found this on the last page:
Is there anything other than inductive reasoning we have to believe this is the case? Would love to see some more data on this.
You mean in terms of # of products sold? Essentially getting a cut on the price of the manufacturing because of economies of scale?
What I meant was that Tesla K20 being in short supply does not indicate bad yields but rather inaccurate demand projections for K20 within Nvidia.
Doesn't it say 85% performance of a 690? Not increase?
Angelus Errare
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Shhh
mobile chips are NOT comparable to desktop parts like this.
Gotcha. Thanks!
He's kind of right, if you discount the 690 as dual GPU. The 7990 is also more powerful than the 690 as AMD's cards scale better in multi GPU setups.
It's not worth it. :<
I was being optimistic that the PS4 Faerie Dust® and Durango's Special Sauce™ would make up the difference.
Believe whatever you want I guess. I didn't have to spend $200+ on it and it still gets decent frames.
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
I'm kind of tempted...
yn-neko hates a cat
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Gotta stick it to those snotty early adopters
with their fast rigs and firm young tight breasts >:-(
...leaving people behind SLI slinging overclocking muthafu.... <3
I'm new be nice
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I can't even imagine BF3 at max settings in 120 frames.
I was able to play portal 2 at max settings at 120 FPS and it really was something else. It really helps keep you from getting disoriented when everything is that smooth. Same with counter strike go, I just feel like I have a HUGE advantage over everyone else.
120 frames truly does change the experience significantly. Sometimes when I clone my monitor to the tv and forget that I left it on I'll feel my mouse on the desktop at 60 frames and it just feel disastrous. It blows me away how we allow ourselves to compensate for 60 FPS.
That's awesome. Hard to believe those screenshots could be accomplished in realtime, very impressive stuff.
Supposedly 6GB. I think it comes in either 5GB or 6GB variants, so it'll be one of those two.
oversitting
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the same principle apply. check the number again. #of working die compared to area increase.
DO you even design chips?
oversitting
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Quoting number isn't what Im going to try to do since Im not here to argue who has the bigger epeen. Only that people should think before they blame something.
This thread is full of people who wants this card at $900. It doesn't matter what AMD does if people are buying this stuff at that price.
lol 5GB or 6GB for a single GPU is so ridiculous outside of using it for a realtime GPU render engine.
So if I buy two 6GB VRAM Titans I will have more VRAM than most people have regular RAM in their PCs let alone the next gen consoles.
This appeals to me.
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Two of them would be getting close to what my car is worth XD. Maybe a bit overkill there.
What did I say that you are responding to me with this?
*edit* ohhhh, TechReport's really accurate and awesome graphs.
Listen man, my test bench has a 7970 on it. I'm not some fanboy. I'll point out any hardware flaw if I see it.
Dark_AnNiaLatOr
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Is this the highest priced single gpu ever? What an enthusiast card!
Angelus Errare
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ROFL
but... that's not how it works :l
oversitting
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Not blaming you or anything, just saying blaming AMD isn't going to lower the price of this card.
Devil Theory
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What's depressing is that I actually bought one back then.