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Is Ys: Foliage Ocean in Celceta doomed?

Eusis

Member
Wait some more, it just came out in September, the new year's started, they don't need to do any localization/dubbing for Pandora's Tower, and niche publishers tend to stick with dying platforms longer than anything but annual sports titles, and sometimes even those. At the very worst I can see this being XSEED's Vita swan song before committing to consoles and 3DS.
 

Aru

Member
It's still too soon to tell. Ys Seven was released in english almost a year after the japanese version. If it's not announced by June/July, then we can start worrying.
 

Apath

Member
This and Persona 4 are the only things keeping me from selling my Vita. Great system hardware, but everything else has flat lined after the launch period.
 

UberTag

Member
It's too early to tell with XSEED.
They seem to like supporting dead platforms.
I'm playing Corpse Party: Book of Shadows on PSP right now.

They'll release Celceta after the Vita has been officially killed.
That's when you can expect it to be announced.

(This seems to be a terrible business philosophy, btw.)
I want more TiTS! Start a Kickstarter! Something?!? Please! For the love of God! I need Sora no Kiseki in my veins!
 
Localizing Pandora's Tower and Ys Foliage Ocean isn't the same thing.
Pandora's Tower has been released in Europe in April, in 5 langages. All Xseed has to do is basically pick the game and distribute it in USA. Ys Foliage Ocean has been released in Japan in September, in Japanese only. There's a lot more work to do, so I think it takes more time to localize it and/or announce it in West.
 

Eusis

Member
There could always be a PC port sometime in the future.
I was going to consider that completely ridiculous until I remembered this IS Falcom. But then they seemed to have turned their backs on PC development, so unless XSEED's efforts manage to swing them back around I'd sooner expect a PS3 port.
 

Labadal

Member
I was going to consider that completely ridiculous until I remembered this IS Falcom. But then they seemed to have turned their backs on PC development, so unless XSEED's efforts manage to swing them back around I'd sooner expect a PS3 port.

Well, they do have a couple of Ys games on STEAM, so who knows? A PS3 port wouldn't surprise me, but I very much doubt it'd get localized.
 
It's coming to the vita still. The only people who think the vita is a dead platform are uninformed folks on message boards. The Vita moves quite a bit of software digitally. Ya'll will be surprised by some of the games coming to it this year.
 

Eusis

Member
Well, they do have a couple of Ys games on STEAM, so who knows? A PS3 port wouldn't surprise me, but I very much doubt it'd get localized.
Why would you think that? Unless SCEA gets in the way (very plausible, but they'd hopefully see this as akin to PSP to PS2 and not interfere) I'd think that actually pushes it from "very likely" to "catastrophic events would have to occur to prevent this now." Don't forget, Ys is one of the series that's done better for XSEED, so unless it's unusually expensive to release this I think it'd be one of their top priorities.
 

Sid

Member
Yes it's doomed.Lemme elaborate I don't see it coming over due to the poor sales of the Vita which is now a nearly dead platform apparently.

It's coming to the vita still. The only people who think the vita is a dead platform are uninformed folks on message boards. The Vita moves quite a bit of software digitally. Ya'll will be surprised by some of the games coming to it this year.
Do tell.
 

ULTROS!

People seem to like me because I am polite and I am rarely late. I like to eat ice cream and I really enjoy a nice pair of slacks.
I'm not worried about Ys Celceta getting localized. I'm more worried if Oboromuramasa Vita would get localized.
 

Genki

Member
This and the far more ulikely Nayuta no Kiseki are my most wanted localizations. I don't think the Vita doing poorly is that much of an obstacle considering it's a niche game. In fact, the low competition from other releases could help it, and sell additional PSN copies of the older games.

Falcom returning to PC would also be grand, but I doubt that'll happen. Anyone know if they get a cut from every Steam sale, or just a flat licensing fee? If the Steam games did well enough for them it might be possible.
 

Eusis

Member
It's coming to the vita still. The only people who think the vita is a dead platform are uninformed folks on message boards. The Vita moves quite a bit of software digitally. Ya'll will be surprised by some of the games coming to it this year.
Well, I doubt it's as dead/doomed as some claim, but even operating under the assumption of a worst case scenario (that doesn't involve pulling the system or companies shuttering) niche publishers like XSEED would still support the system so long as there were games worthwhile and the audience was there at all, and we've seen that with just about every system, even the SNES had the original Harvest Moon a full year after the N64 debuted and everyone moved on to the next generation. It'd be the same here: support dries up and the system dies at the end of the year or even effectively earlier, but XSEED would still get the game out and Aksys and maybe Atlus would throw a few surprises.
Yes it's doomed.
Do you really have a reason to substantiate that beyond all the doom and gloom surrounding the Vita? It seems to be ignoring how game localizations, particularly from niche publishers, tend to work out.
 
Aw man, why do you have to make me think these sad thoughts? ;-;

Recent Ys games have a decent history of localisation one way or another so I will hold on to hope for now. For whatever reason I am not too bothered by any delay in this game getting a Western release. As long as it gets here at all I will be happy.
 

Sid

Member
Well, I doubt it's as dead/doomed as some claim, but even operating under the assumption of a worst case scenario (that doesn't involve pulling the system or companies shuttering) niche publishers like XSEED would still support the system so long as there were games worthwhile and the audience was there at all, and we've seen that with just about every system, even the SNES had the original Harvest Moon a full year after the N64 debuted and everyone moved on to the next generation. It'd be the same here: support dries up and the system dies at the end of the year or even effectively earlier, but XSEED would still get the game out and Aksys and maybe Atlus would throw a few surprises.

Do you really have a reason to substantiate that beyond all the doom and gloom surrounding the Vita? It seems to be ignoring how game localizations, particularly from niche publishers, tend to work out.
Edited.
 

Pejo

Member
Ys has always been one of the series i wanted to get into, but always forget about. I played and loved Wanderers from Ys on the SNES years and years ago, but haven't touched it since.

After watching this trailer, I reallllly want to play this game.
 

Acosta

Member
I don't believe that getting Pandora means Xseed has discarded Celceta. It just makes more sense to be fast with Pandora before the Wii markets completely vanishes.

It will come, I'm sure of it, even if it's digital only.
 

Labadal

Member
Why would you think that? Unless SCEA gets in the way (very plausible, but they'd hopefully see this as akin to PSP to PS2 and not interfere) I'd think that actually pushes it from "very likely" to "catastrophic events would have to occur to prevent this now." Don't forget, Ys is one of the series that's done better for XSEED, so unless it's unusually expensive to release this I think it'd be one of their top priorities.

I think the Vita version might get localized, but I don't see a potential PS3 version getting one. Maybe if they the DD only route. Then again, I'm usually not very optimistic about these things.
 

Durante

Member
I think the Vita version might get localized, but I don't see a potential PS3 version getting one. Maybe if they the DD only route. Then again, I'm usually not very optimistic about these things.
I really can't think of a reason why a hypothetical PS3 version would be less likely to be localized than a Vita version.

Personally I'd prefer a PC port though, I got used to playing Ys at 120 FPS with immaculate IQ :p
 

ULTROS!

People seem to like me because I am polite and I am rarely late. I like to eat ice cream and I really enjoy a nice pair of slacks.
Xseed said they have more announcements coming, one coming soon apparently.

Someone in the Xseed forum mentioned they have 6-7 announcements, dunno it that's true.
 

Dantis

Member
Looks aight. Graphics could be better though, it looks more along the lines of what I'd expect from a 3DS than a Vita.

As others have said, Pandora's Tower is already translated, so releasing it in the US shouldn't be nearly as big a project for XSEED as some of their other games. I wouldn't rule this out just yet.
 

Eusis

Member
Right, that still disregards how niche publishers tend to operate however. They even put out a PSP game just a few weeks ago, albeit digitally, and are putting out a WII game in a few months. Plus I believe P4G did fairly well, and if that did well that shows this niche of games stands a chance there that bigger games couldn't find, not to the degree of being viable anyway.

Which is something that came to mind too: Just how long have XSEED games been announced ahead of release? Book of Shadows was about three months (October to January), Pandora's Tower looks to be TWO months even with retail printing, Ys Seven was announced three months ahead much like Book of Shadows, and Ragnarok Odyssey was announced in May and released in October, coming out in February for Japan.

Yeah, RO's timing MIGHT be cause for alarm, but I don't see Ys Celceta getting localized and released before summer anyway, so we're not really out of the comfort zone until E3 passes without news. If this were a company like Konami or Square Enix I'd be much more worried, but they're not.
I really can't think of a reason why a hypothetical PS3 version would be less likely to be localized than a Vita version.
Yeah, unless SCEA's gone completely idiotic about ports from handhelds (which does no one any good especially as the PS3/Vita gap is smaller than PS3/PSP) a PS3 version would probably seal it if anything. PS3's a current, viable console, and much of North America is more console focused (same for Europe too, but I don't believe the disparity is AS extreme), so it'd be safer to release on PS3. Really, if it weren't for some of SCEA's arbitrary crap I'd consider it a complete non-issue, and even then that's largely because it hasn't really been tested yet (though there are plenty of PS3/Vita simultaneous releases, which is comforting).
 
Xseed said they have more announcements coming, one coming soon apparently.

Someone in the Xseed forum mentioned they have 6-7 announcements, dunno it that's true.

The Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky Second Chapter
The Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky Third Chapter
Trails of Zero
Trails of Blue
Ys vs. Sora no Kiseki: Alternative Saga
Nayuta no Kisek


You still have half a Ys game :p
 

Sid

Member
Right, that still disregards how niche publishers tend to operate however. They even put out a PSP game just a few weeks ago, albeit digitally, and are putting out a WII game in a few months. Plus I believe P4G did fairly well, and if that did well that shows this niche of games stands a chance there bigger games couldn't find.

Which is something that came to mind too: Just how long have XSEED games been announced ahead of release? Book of Shadows was about three months (October to January), Pandora's Tower looks to be TWO months even with retail printing, Ys Seven was announced three months ahead much like Book of Shadows, and Ragnarok Odyssey was announced in May and released in October, coming out in February for Japan.

Yeah, RO's timing MIGHT be cause for alarm, but I don't see Ys Celceta getting localized and released before summer anyway, so we're not really out of the comfort zone until E3 passes without news. If this were a company like Konami or Square Enix I'd be much more worried, but they're not.
Awright I'll keep some hope then.
 

Labadal

Member
I really can't think of a reason why a hypothetical PS3 version would be less likely to be localized than a Vita version.

Personally I'd prefer a PC port though, I got used to playing Ys at 120 FPS with immaculate IQ :p

We usually don't see many localizations of ports, do we? This is a genuine question. I have no idea, but it feels that way to me.
 

Varion

Member
Xseed said they have more announcements coming, one coming soon apparently.

Someone in the Xseed forum mentioned they have 6-7 announcements, dunno it that's true.
Yeah, Tom said about six more games to announce after Pandora's Tower was revealed, so they still have about that many left to go. Probably minus one if you include that Suda game.

If it's not announced by the time they've finished revealing those, maybe it might be worth worrying. Maybe. It's way too early to be worrying now, though. It's only been out since September in Japan, there's still announcements to go and Ys is one thing in the Falcom partnership that seems to be doing well for XSEED. I can't see any good reason not to do it.
 
We usually don't see many localizations of ports, do we? This is a genuine question. I have no idea, but it feels that way to me.

Apparently Sony of America hates the PSP port series with a passion, and there isn't really an equivalent European publisher (with translation capabilities, anyway).
 

Akkad

Banned
I don't get topics like this, the game is out less than 6 months in Japanese only and it's already doomed to never see an English release, seriously?
 

ULTROS!

People seem to like me because I am polite and I am rarely late. I like to eat ice cream and I really enjoy a nice pair of slacks.
Yeah, Tom said about six more games to announce after Pandora's Tower was revealed, so they still have about that many left to go. Probably minus one if you include that Suda game.

If it's not announced by the time they've finished revealing those, maybe it might be worth worrying. Maybe. It's way too early to be worrying now, though. It's only been out since September in Japan, there's still announcements to go and Ys is one thing in the Falcom partnership that seems to be doing well for XSEED. I can't see any good reason not to do it.

I'm guessing 3 of those will be Oboromuramasa Vita, Valhalla Knights 3, and Ys Celceta.
 
Xseed said they have more announcements coming, one coming soon apparently.

Someone in the Xseed forum mentioned they have 6-7 announcements, dunno it that's true.

Yes, they said that even in the Kotaku interview last month.
So far they've announced only Pandora's Tower and some European stuff already known in NA.

It seems that we already know about the famous high-profile "shocking" game that isn't out in Japan yet (Killer is Dead).
 
Lol didn't they just bring over corpse party? Lol ys will make it over


corpse party should cost cheaper in licensing fee for xseed to translate , not to mention even if psp is a dead platform it stills have a much larger user base.
If i remember correctly the psp Ys have English voice acting too, still they can cut cost by using the japan one like corpse party.
 

Aeana

Member
I would think that this would actually depend mostly on Falcom's availability. XSEED previously said that Falcom isn't as available to do localization programming as they'd like.
 
I would think that this would actually depend mostly on Falcom's availability. XSEED previously said that Falcom isn't as available to do localization programming as they'd like.

Then why do falcom tease us .....

We are starting to realize that Ys is a popular series in the West. Up to this point, we were concentrating on the Japanese market, but now we're starting to understand the West a little bit. We are really happy that we are able to get the Ys series out in America, because by doing that, to be honest, we've begun to realize what parts of the games are lacking in effort. It was a good opportunity for us to notice that. We're hoping the Western audiences will really enjoy our new PlayStation Vita Ys game, Celceta no Jukai, and we're putting a lot of effort into it.
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/134952/a_30_year_fantasy_the_story_of_.php?page=3
 

sajj316

Member
Ys will make it over but as others mentioned, not until after the summer (earliest). Standard operating procedure for them ..
 

jgmo870

Banned
I would think that this would actually depend mostly on Falcom's availability. XSEED previously said that Falcom isn't as available to do localization programming as they'd like.

Didn't they contract programmers for the Steam releases of Origins and Oath? Why wouldn't they do that for other projects?
 
Didn't they contract programmers for the Steam releases of Origins and Oath? Why wouldn't they do that for other projects?

AFAIK in this case the programmer was contracted to implement Steamworks first and foremost, rather than do any work with the actual game itself.
 
I really, really hope this makes it over. I've been wanting to jump into the Ys series, but I might give another Falcom game a go (LoH TiTS) while waiting for this. It just looks so awesome, I really want it in English ;(
 
Celceta seems like a sure thing. I'm more concerned if Xseed finds a way to get Ys Eternal I & II, Ark of Napishtam and Xanadu Next on Steam.
 

Takao

Banned
Only thing that'll be doomed is your thread making abilities if you churn out more like these, MCD.

Niche publishers are the last ones to abandon platforms, especially those with a strong digital marketplace. Vita has a strong digital marketplace in the PlayStation Network. As mentioned earlier, XSEED continues to publish PSP games in 2013, and that platform lost big publisher support years ago. Ys: Ocean in Celceta will be released in English on the PlayStation Vita. I guarantee you this. I can't guarantee you it'll be released physically though. XSEED is increasingly becoming a digital-only publisher, and I suspect Ragnarok Odyssey was a test to see if Vita physical could work for them.
 
My purchase of a Vita rests on this title's English release.

I think it'll happen, but the Vita waters are a strange thing at the moment, so who knows.
 
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