Aquamarine
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Well that depends...are you the main character in a single-player game?
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Gabe: Singleplayer games are like a film where your lead actor is retarded & autistic
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Well that depends...are you the main character in a single-player game?
Kickass667
Banned
He used the words autistic, boo fucking hoo. I'm autistic myself, yet I use my weakness as a chance for growth. I don't want the pity of these people, I just want to be treated as another person.
This is the full talk:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8QEOBgLBQU
He also talks of interesting things with the perspective of the business, I recommend to watch it. It's very interesting that the idea of organizating Valve like came long before creating it, and the whole idea about capturing productive people instead of subcontracting cheap resources.
The retard and autistic thing is not aproppiate, but he was talking too casually I guess (not like a conference, more like talking in a bar)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8QEOBgLBQU
He also talks of interesting things with the perspective of the business, I recommend to watch it. It's very interesting that the idea of organizating Valve like came long before creating it, and the whole idea about capturing productive people instead of subcontracting cheap resources.
The retard and autistic thing is not aproppiate, but he was talking too casually I guess (not like a conference, more like talking in a bar)
GoddyofAus
Banned
Also, can I point out, that we believe it suddenly morally offensive for gabe to say "retarded, autistic..." while simultaneously glorifying shit like this:
Sorry, I updated my part of the OP since I realized I cut out some sections for length.
But yes I also think his phrasing here is a valid debate/criticism point.
He said that player-driven characters often appear autistic, or retarded. This is not untrue, and I'm not sure how it's offensive. The entire medium is a bastion of autism. Not sure why it's offensive to acknowledge this. He never explicitly states that it's a horrible thing, just something that makes for an odd disconnect between player and avatar.
Kickass667
Banned
Only if you treat yourself like that.
Stabby McSter
Member
EDIT: I don't know how I missed one word while reading. I blame it being morning and all!
balladofwindfishes
Member
I know, but I don't know if he'd want it public.
He lives in a country that didn't allow for payments every month, so he gets one huge payment every year. This person just makes a lot of hats.
I was wondering what Valve's cut is.
base shagohod
Member
Not sure I even get what he's saying here.
Don't quite see the big deal. It might not be politically corect to say it that way, but he's right that protagonists in "interactive cutscenes" behave very strangely. Half Life or Portal might be loved for their atmosphere or stories, but characters who jump around all the time and never say a word wouldn't fly as relatable in any other form of media.
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
ITT: PC vs. PC.
DashReindeer
Lead Community Manager, Outpost Games
I really didn't understand the point Gabe was trying to make until he got to the fact that user-created content can make lots of money. That much, we know to be true.
This statement is not gonna make anyone happy though, and it really doesn't even make a lot of sense.
This statement is not gonna make anyone happy though, and it really doesn't even make a lot of sense.
grimshawish
Banned
I think its horrible that the word is used. US culture towards it imo is willful blindness.
Anyway its not actually his wording, that just makes him crass and a bit ugly - its what hes using them to describe thats very derogatory and extremely unsympathetic.
He shouldn't be talking like this, and it worries me that he feels no pressure to be more mindful; as am afraid people will defend him (not saying your defending him btw; but I do think saying other users use it isn't much of an excuse - I've called people on it here before).
Stallion Free
Cock Encumbered
He's right though. That is how we are treated as players.
Nexus Zero
Member
Cry me a river. This is a pretty spot on description of how it feels to be Gordon Freeman/Link.
"What's that Lassie? The princess has been captured and aliens are taking over the world?" Fank ooo for elping me underspanned.
"What's that Lassie? The princess has been captured and aliens are taking over the world?" Fank ooo for elping me underspanned.
This is Valve we're talking about, won't happen.
Yup.
I like that phrase he used. It's almost perfect for a lot of games (including FPS) where you are an AFGNCAAP.
Really? Because poor word choice makes a bad person and businessman.
Trojita
Rapid Response Threadmaker
Rainman made a lot of money too.
Acquiescence
Member
Wow, what a...
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retarded_potential
Retarded is the right word for what he's trying to say but autistic isn't.
Retarded is the right word for what he's trying to say but autistic isn't.
Riposte
Member
NeoGAF: "The guy behind Half-Life 3 thinks single player games are like a film where your lead actor is retarded"
But... he's not using it in a derogatory manner. Gordon Freeman actually appears as if he may have mental retardation.
I started falling out of love with Valve (to the point where I try to buy all my Steamworks games from other retailers) back in 2008, when I emailed them asking why Left 4 Dead only had about four hours of single-player content (each mission was ~50 minutes long at the level I was playing). The response?
Something along the lines of:
"Well, we really want you to play it as a multiplayer game, but come on, there's a lot of variation in Left 4 Dead! Sometimes, health packs and hordes spawn in different locations!"
I don't like nor care about multiplayer gaming, and I'm becoming increasingly frustrated that Valve seems to look down on it.
balladofwindfishes
Member
That's not how a CEO should be talking, really. Act like a respectful adult in the public domain.
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
In this day and age of words making you look insensitive/ignorant, it's mindboggling that people in the limelight and high positions keep spewing them out.
Stupid comments, stupid because of the consequences.
All around stupid.
Stupid comments, stupid because of the consequences.
All around stupid.
GoddyofAus
Banned
Meanwhile, Gabe cops a million different fat jokes and nobody bats an eyelash.
Neogaf is basically the political correctness capital of the internet, so most members here get bent out of shape when words like that are used.
Rather than grow thicker skin, people here expect everyone to conform to their own sensibilities.
Really? I thought it was closer to 50%. I guess we should ask our resident hat artisan in the Dota thread.
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Meltdowns are part and parcel of every thread with a sensationalist title. See the latest Sim City thread.
Crimsonlink
Member
Man Gabe is awesome for being the head of Valve and giving us great games at a lower price with Steam but he could work a bit on his speeches.
Hating on the PS3 when it came out, now this and then the windows 8 which I actually agree with him but I don't think he will be right on that either.
Hating on the PS3 when it came out, now this and then the windows 8 which I actually agree with him but I don't think he will be right on that either.