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[SmokyDave]

See, now this is understandable, since a unified account system is something that's needed. But people 'quitting' handheld gaming if Sony leave are pretty much fanboys, it's supposed to be about the games, not the hardware/Sony or Nintendo.

It's about the full package, not just 'games'. Every single platform has plenty of good games. Can I assume you're a 'fanboy' if you don't own every console, every handheld, a gaming PC, iOS and Android smartphones and iOS and Android tablets?

You're always going to buy some systems and not others. How you arrive at the decision of which platforms to purchase is entirely up to you and is no concern of anyone else.

 

[BriBri]

Really now, you do realize that Nintendo's handhelds have always been woefully behind the times right, and that's the exact reason why they dominated for so long.

The Game Gear lessons appear never to be learned.

And excellent DQ7, very, very good 3DS, predictable (and relatively poor) Wii U and Vita, and impressive 3DS software (Animal Crossing is doing godly).

 

[confuziz]

Wait. Why is it child Link in that fight instead of grown-up Link?

This is a glitch in OOT. Not specifically for the 3ds version, as it can be done in every version.

Basically they complete the game as young link in 21 minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaUCFrW_mEE

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

How do 3DS LTD numbers compare to the DS at the same point in time?

 

[Sadist]

But Heroes of Ruin!

Eh

Blah

Dude, doe dit nou niet.

 

[Baconsammy]

We're at the point where Lite came out. Get used to 3DS being behind the DS worldwide unless Nintendo can come up with another initiative that will sell the device to people that might not normally buy a dedicated handheld.

 

[grimshawish]

Eh

Just a bitchy remark from me about how SE claimed that Heroes sold badly because the 3DS was a difficult system to sell on; as opposed to being a highly shitty game.

 

[Diablos54]

It's about the full package, not just 'games'. Every single platform has plenty of good games. Can I assume you're a 'fanboy' if you don't own every console, every handheld, a gaming PC, iOS and Android smartphones and iOS and Android tablets?

Yes.

I just think swearing off handhelds because of no Sony is a silly idea, I mean, I can understand things like ignoring the eShop due to the accounts, and I like iOS myself, but choosing iOS as a gaming device over a 3DS is insane to me.

 

[freddy]

Yes.

I just think swearing off handhelds because of no Sony is a silly idea, I mean, I can understand things like ignoring the eShop due to the accounts, and I like iOS myself, but choosing iOS as a gaming device over a 3DS is insane to me.

Did someone really say this?

 

[Zoramon089]

Has there ever been as much of a disconnect between Japan and America in hardware sales than it is right now with 3ds doing amazing in Japan and somewhat disappointing in America?

The Xbox 360...except in reverse

 

[Magicpaint]

These are good DQVII sales (I wonder how much of that accounts for the download version?) - I think even though it is a slightly slower start than VI, it will likely have better legs. VI started explosive because most of the DQ userbase had already migrated to the DS by then and its (relative) legs were shorter than the other DS remakes.

We're at the point where Lite came out. Get used to 3DS being behind the DS worldwide unless Nintendo can come up with another initiative that will sell the device to people that might not normally buy a dedicated handheld.

There are far worse things to happen to the 3DS than lagging behind the DS in hardware sales. If anything it's probably software sales that is the bigger issue outside of Japan but that's kinda veering off-topic.

 

[FLAguy954]

I agree to an extent, but I'm not exactly convinced that Nintendo ever rests on their laurels with respect to their handhelds (outside of pricing, of course). The GBA, for example, had no real competition and, to me, it was one of the best Nintendo platforms to ever exist. I think that is where Nintendo's real passion and energy is focused on, and I have yet to see evidence of them stepping off the gas with regard to their software production in that market. Nintendo has and never will sleep when it comes to their pocket gadgets.

This is exactly how I feel. Nintendo has always tried their best in the handheld space (just bring over the account system and a version of miiverse and we have a winner).

 

[The Horror the horror]

I have no doubts that things will get better for Wii U. But it won't be anytime soon. It's fair to say Nintendo squandered their headstart. PlayStation 4 could make quite an entrance if Sony has the games at launch.

Sony typically never has a strong lineup at launch. It's usually after the 1st year when they start killing it, so Nintendo actually has another year to bolster the Wii U's pathetic lineup.

 

[mclem]

Comgnet store pre-order points comparison:

9 days away:

[PS3] MGS4 - 579pt
[PSP] MGSPW - 429pt
[PS3] Bayo - 165pt
[PS3] DmC - 78pt
[PS3] MGRR - 327pt

Bayonetta? I thought it was PSN, why's it showing up on a store preorder list?

 

[Sadist]

Just a bitchy remark from me about how SE claimed that Heroes sold badly because the 3DS was a difficult system to sell on; as opposed to being a highly shitty game.

It was mostly a "eh" towards Square-Enix in general

 

[grimshawish]

It was mostly a "eh" towards Square-Enix in general

Ah

 

[saichi]

Let's hope Soul Sacrifice does decently well.

don't keep your hope up. The outlook doesn't look good right now.

In the West? Killzone. Maybe.

don't keep your hope up. AC is way bigger than KZ and was released during Christmas but it didn't do much.

Regardless, considering how important handhelds are in Japan I think Sony will continue pushing Vita as much as they can.

except that they are not pushing Vita in Japan as much as they can. Have you seen Vita's holiday lineup last year? If that's pushing the system as much as they can during the busiest time of the year, Sony is not doing a very good job.

I can't dig Nintendo handheld hardware. It diminishes the experience to the point where I'd just rather play iOS & console games instead. Just as some people cannot abide smartphones, I cannot abide Nintendo clamshells. That's before we get into the fact that I ain't getting a portable Gran Turismo or God of War on a Nintendo system.

You also can't get them on iOS/Android.

You are quitting handheld, if Sony stops making handheld, without even seeing how Nintendo's next one wold look like. With the track record, it's likely you still won't like the hardware even it's not clamshell design. However, you are already making up your mind regardless what Nintendo will offer.

 

[Currygan]

Did someone really say this?

well, he did say this

 

[SmokyDave]

Yes.

I just think swearing off handhelds because of no Sony is a silly idea, I mean, I can understand things like ignoring the eShop due to the accounts, and I like iOS myself, but choosing iOS as a gaming device over a 3DS is insane to me.

Plenty of people are suggesting they'll drop consoles for PC next gen if any of the 'always online / no BC / no used games' rumours are true. To me, those people are either crazy for not already gaming on PC or crazy for moving for such arbitrary reasons. Thing is, they're not arbitrary reasons to those people, they're obviously things they feel quite strongly about. Bottom line is, it's not always about 'the games', sometimes it's about the bullshit surrounding them too.

Did someone really say this?

I did, yeah. I like Sony handhelds, I don't like Nintendo handhelds. I'd be a fool to spend my time and money supporting something I don't like.

Edit: And with that, I've made far too many posts in a sales topic talking about non-sales stuff. If you want any further clarification freddy, drop me a PM.

 

[Magicpaint]

Did someone really say this?

It's possible that some people only got into handheld gaming because of the PSP approach to it.

 

[HamPster PamPster]

Wait. Why is it child Link in that fight instead of grown-up Link?

There is a glitch in the game near the beginning that basically lets you skip right to that fight. It's how the ~30 minute speedruns are done:

http://fr.twitch.tv/speeddemosarchivesda/b/356165937?t=05h03m20s

 

[michaelius]

Yes.

I just think swearing off handhelds because of no Sony is a silly idea, I mean, I can understand things like ignoring the eShop due to the accounts, and I like iOS myself, but choosing iOS as a gaming device over a 3DS is insane to me.

Thanks to Windows 8 you can now buy tablet which will run your whole pc games library so it's not like shitty iOS games are only alternative to 3DS in teoretical no Sony handheld future.

And that's before we consider ebook readers or watching movies on the phone/tablet in the commute.

 

[RM8]

I can understand not being into Nintendo handhelds if tech is a priority, after all every single Nintendo handheld has been pretty modest hardwire-wise. But iOS? Where most games look like Flash/browser games? Yeah...

 

[yellowjacket25]

Yes.

I just think swearing off handhelds because of no Sony is a silly idea, I mean, I can understand things like ignoring the eShop due to the accounts, and I like iOS myself, but choosing iOS as a gaming device over a 3DS is insane to me.

I would gladly choose a Nintendo gaming device if Nintendo brought out what is in my opinion an appealing gaming device. It just hasn't happened in a while. iOS has the advantage of cheaper games that I have with me every hour of every day, and some of them are actually really good. Plus better graphics. The stigma of iOS games being terrible is as misguided as the stigma of Nintendo games only being for kids.

 

[FLAguy954]

It's really annoying when nearly every device around these days has a high res IPS or OLED screen, but the 3DS doesn't. The games are still fun mind, but the idea of playing those games in much higher resolution on a slightly bigger screen is what kills some of the fun, for me anyway. How I wish some 3DS games were for Vita, purely because it would control and look better.. But hey, we can't have it all, and we'll have to accept the fact Nintendo doesn't care about proper hardware anymore.

But at least the console sells like mad in Japan, which is good for the dedicated handheld market.

The mistake you and countless others make is that the 3d screens used on 3DS' are actually high quality, expensive IPS stereoscopic 3d screens from Sharp. Its just the fact that is is lcd (which won't die in 5 years like the Vita's OLED) and low res which bothers you and others so much.

Again, the screen isn't cheap by any means, they just prioritize different aspects.

 

[RM8]

People say Nintendo is for kids because most of their games in fact for everyone, including kids. People say iOS games are terrible because most of them are in fact terrible. This has been my experience, I'm open to any platform if it has good games, but for the kind of games I enjoy iOS (and Android and WP) have been pretty awful.

 

[BadWolf]

except that they are not pushing Vita in Japan as much as they can. Have you seen Vita's holiday lineup last year? If that's pushing the system as much as they can during the busiest time of the year, Sony is not doing a very good job.

So you expected Sony to waste some big moves in the face of a red hot 3DS and the launch of a brand new Nintendo console? Whatever they did would simply have been overshadowed and wasted.

1st or 2nd quarter of this year is when I expect them to start making moves.

 

[Jamix012]

So you expected Sony to waste some big moves in the face of a red hot 3DS and the launch of a brand new Nintendo console? Whatever they did would simply have been overshadowed and wasted.

1st or 2nd quarter of this year is when I expect them to start making moves.

Oh so you mean now that DQ is out and MH was scheduled to be out they planned their heavy hitters?

 

[PhantomR]

After looking at how Wii U is trending against 3DS, I am absolutely confident that Wii U will start to wreck shit up come this holiday season. I think it's clear that the Japanese public are waiting for software, not that the system itself is unappealing. Nintendo's got this

 

[metalslimer]

So you expected Sony to waste some big moves in the face of a red hot 3DS and the launch of a brand new Nintendo console? Whatever they did would simply have been overshadowed and wasted.

1st or 2nd quarter of this year is when I expect them to start making moves.

And ceding the holiday season which is the biggest driver of momentum wouldn't? What do you think them trying to recover this year with Dragon Quest, Monster Hunter, Friend Collection, Pokemon, etc. is going to be any easier because it most certainly won't. In fact, it will be much harder to try and gain back any momentum this year.

 

[The Horror the horror]

I would gladly choose a Nintendo gaming device if Nintendo brought out what is in my opinion an appealing gaming device. It just hasn't happened in a while. iOS has the advantage of cheaper games that I have with me every hour of every day, and some of them are actually really good. Plus better graphics. The stigma of iOS games being terrible is as misguided as the stigma of Nintendo games only being for kids.

Yes, but in terms of games, you're more than likely to find the type of software you enjoy from the Vita on the 3DS, so it doesn't make sense why you'd completely discard the 3DS and its library for iOS gaming when the closest comparison to the Vita, game-wise, is on Nintendo's handheld.

 

[BadWolf]

And ceding the holiday season which is the biggest driver of momentum wouldn't? What do you think them trying to recover this year with Dragon Quest, Monster Hunter, Friend Collection, Pokemon, etc. is going to be any easier because it most certainly won't. In fact, it will be much harder to try and gain back any momentum this year.

All those games would have released for the 3DS and done well regardless of how Vita did during the holidays.

WiiU's weaker than expected performance won't hurt either.

I don't expect Sony to catch up but I do expect them to carve out a niche for themselves with the Vita where it can exist and will be supported side by side with the 3DS. A DS/PSP or PS3/Wii kind of situation for example.

 

[Nibel]

In a world where smartphones exist.. seeing a dedicated portable gaming device succeed..

Nice!

 

[metalslimer]

All those games would have released for the 3DS and done well regardless of how Vita did during the holidays.

WiiU's weaker than expected performance won't hurt either.

It is much easier to revive a platform during the holidays than in the middle of the year especially when in the middle of said year 1 of the biggest games of the generation/year will be coming out on a competing platform. Animal Crossing would have been easier competition than Monster Hunter will be.

In a world where smartphones exist.. seeing a dedicated portable gaming device succeed..

Nice!

Until the 3DS can improve somehow in the west and software sales pick up in the west, the 3DS will continue to be limited by the software publisher hesitation aka becoming the next PS2 type platform for 3rd parties.

 

[liger05]

After looking at how Wii U is trending against 3DS, I am absolutely confident that Wii U will start to wreck shit up come this holiday season. I think it's clear that the Japanese public are waiting for software, not that the system itself is unappealing. Nintendo's got this

Thats what I find frustrating. It's simply about the games and Nintendo know this as well but still didnt prepare for release and Q1 to have the required games.

 

[frankie_baby]

It is much easier to revive a platform during the holidays than in the middle of the year especially when in the middle of said year 1 of the biggest games of the generation/year will be coming out on a competing platform. Animal Crossing would have been easier competition than Monster Hunter will be.



Until the 3DS can improve somehow in the west and software sales pick up in the west, the 3DS will continue to be limited by the software publisher hesitation aka becoming the next PS2 type platform for 3rd parties.

i'm inclined to believe the 3ds will do far better in the west this year, the weakened yen will give nintendo room to manoeuvre on price (its still imo just a little to expensive outside japan) the big big software is coming (ac and x/y) and the original ds 'should' start disappearing in americ finall

 

[Chris1964]

Third week in a row Wii U sells less software than Vita (and counting).

 

[PhantomR]

Thats what I find frustrating. It's simply about the games and Nintendo know this as well but still didnt prepare for release and Q1 to have the required games.

Meh, it's cool. The same thing happened with 3DS. It was absolutely floundering in Japan until Nintendo came out with the Triforce (Monster Hunter, Mario Kart, Super Mario 3D Land). I'm expecting Nintendo to use the same play book this holiday for Wii U.

 

[frankie_baby]

Third week in a row Wii U sells less software than Vita (and counting).

when is the next wii u game releasing?

 

[Magicpaint]

Meh, it's cool. The same thing happened with 3DS. It was absolutely floundering in Japan until Nintendo came out with the Triforce (Monster Hunter, Mario Kart, Super Mario 3D Land). I'm expecting Nintendo to use the same play book this holiday for Wii U.

The 3DS was never selling this badly.

 

[PhantomR]

i'm inclined to believe the 3ds will do far better in the west this year, the weakened yen will give nintendo room to manoeuvre on price (its still imo just a little to expensive outside japan) the big big software is coming (ac and x/y) and the original ds 'should' start disappearing in americ finall

If Nintendo can do the same thing it did with Dragon Quest IX, I'm expecting Nintendo to heavily localize and start to really push the Japanese titles in the West. Japanese publishers are gonna make some coin. Western publishers will once again be left out.

 

[lunchwithyuzo]

It's really annoying when nearly every device around these days has a high res IPS or OLED screen, but the 3DS doesn't. The games are still fun mind, but the idea of playing those games in much higher resolution on a slightly bigger screen is what kills some of the fun, for me anyway. How I wish some 3DS games were for Vita, purely because it would control and look better.. But hey, we can't have it all, and we'll have to accept the fact Nintendo doesn't care about proper hardware anymore.

But at least the console sells like mad in Japan, which is good for the dedicated handheld market.

Anymore? Nintendo handhelds are ALWAYS behind the tech curve. GB, GBC, GBA, DS, DSi and now 3DS all follow that trend, there's literally no change in philosophy.

Unless you came into handheld gaming on Lynx, Game Gear, PSP or Vita, you should be used to it by now really.

 

[Foshy]

when is the next wii u game releasing?

Tank! Tank! Tank at February 21st.

Then another whole month of nothing until NFS:MW comes out.

 

[Taurus]

Meh, it's cool. The same thing happened with 3DS. It was absolutely floundering in Japan until Nintendo came out with the Triforce (Monster Hunter, Mario Kart, Super Mario 3D Land). I'm expecting Nintendo to use the same play book this holiday for Wii U.

Agreed. But it's a big lost opportunity for them, since they have the 8th gen market for awhile until competitors launch. Good chance to build up nice lead and get other devs and publishers aboard but they blew it.

I am not doubting Wii U will sell well as software starts to roll in, but they could have done so much better.

 

[metalslimer]

Meh, it's cool. The same thing happened with 3DS. It was absolutely floundering in Japan until Nintendo came out with the Triforce (Monster Hunter, Mario Kart, Super Mario 3D Land). I'm expecting Nintendo to use the same play book this holiday for Wii U.

I'm not going to compare this to Vita because the situations are still vastly different in regards to potential in terms of games, but no it is most definitely not cool. The 3DS didn't just recover because Nintendo games came out on it. Nintendo had a huge push with the massive price cut, Monster Hunter acquisition and ton of 3rd party support to back them up. Wii U is selling at horrendous levels right now, and just thinking that Nintendo ips will make up for them having a terrible first year (3DS never got this bad btw) is not set in stone. Now this isn't to say I don't think Wii U will recover from where it is right now as that is definitely feasible (perhaps even likely) but the assumption continues into the same fallacious assumption many people here used to say there was no way Vita couldn't recover itself because a Sony platform had never failed in Japan.

Until those games hit, which btw will be at least half a year away, we can only judge the current situation, and I only hope that Nintendo is not looking at things right now thinking everything is fine because complacency is exactly what has gotten them into the last 3 years of mess.

 

[yellowjacket25]

Yes, but in terms of games, you're more than likely to find the type of software you enjoy from the Vita on the 3DS, so it doesn't make sense why you'd completely discard the 3DS and its library for iOS gaming when the closest comparison to the Vita, game-wise, is on Nintendo's handheld.

Like I said, games wise, I can probably get by with the iOS devices. The reason I bought a Vita was because the hardware was much more exciting to me than the 3DS is, plus im not really a Mario/Pokemon fan. It is really hard to get excited for the 3DS when the Vita and iPad/iPhone are so much better technology wise. The 3DS probably has a few games I would enjoy playing but overall i'm not really interested in it.

 

[The Horror the horror]

Like I said, games wise, I can probably get by with the iOS devices. The reason I bought a Vita was because the hardware was much more exciting to me than the 3DS is, plus im not really a Mario/Pokemon fan. It is really hard to get excited for the 3DS when the Vita and iPad/iPhone are so much better technology wise. The 3DS probably has a few games I would enjoy playing but overall i'm not really interested in it.

I thought the 3DS library consisted of quality titles outside of Mario and Pokemon, but perhaps I'm wrong. If you're mostly about the hardware, then that makes sense, but you're not likely to find anything comparable to the best the Vita has to offer on iOS.

 

[SmokyDave]

I thought the 3DS library consisted of quality titles outside of Mario and Pokemon, but perhaps I'm wrong. If you're mostly about the hardware, then that makes sense, but you're not likely to find anything comparable to the best the Vita has to offer on iOS.

...or 3DS. The devices have very different libraries. Personally I'd say the iOS library was closer to the Vita library than the 3DS library is.

 

[GoingGreen]

Like I said, games wise, I can probably get by with the iOS devices. The reason I bought a Vita was because the hardware was much more exciting to me than the 3DS is, plus im not really a Mario/Pokemon fan. It is really hard to get excited for the 3DS when the Vita and iPad/iPhone are so much better technology wise. The 3DS probably has a few games I would enjoy playing but overall i'm not really interested in it.

Hardware can only get you so far when there's next to nothing on it. Never understood people buying a system for its specs when that has nothing to do IF games will even come out on it. At least with any Nintendo system you will get high quality games from Nintendo.

 

[saichi]

So you expected Sony to waste some big moves in the face of a red hot 3DS and the launch of a brand new Nintendo console? Whatever they did would simply have been overshadowed and wasted.

1st or 2nd quarter of this year is when I expect them to start making moves.

1. What you stated earlier implied Sony actually tried to push Vita in Japan last year. I was simply pointing it out they didn't.

2. with what you stated, there would be no good time for Sony to do any kind of push. The same Vita games would sell better and cause a bigger splash during holiday season than in Q1 or Q2.

3. Sony actually tried to push it in the west for the holiday season with games and bundles. while the number is still not great, it actually had some effect.