Fine Ham Abounds
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I like this. I'm gonna borrow it.
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Capcom USA VP Disappointed By Darkstalkers Resurrection Sales
- Thread starter Takao
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I like this. I'm gonna borrow it.
Chauncy Talon
Member
It was a day one purchase for me. Now, I can't find any of the day one purchase gamers playing it.
when is gallon gonna get the attention he deserves? hes a werewolf trained in martial arts with damn nunchuks. hes crossover magic i would think
joffocakes
Member
That's a shame, it's definitely the most polished of all of Capcom's XBLA/PSN rereleases. It's very nicely presented and the Darkstalkers 3 tutorials being in-character explainations of how the following combo or technique should be used was a great touch.
I've never played Darkstalkers before, so it's all pretty new to me. I've been happily struggling through the combo trials.
I'd still be up for buying future digital releases of Street Fighter Alpha 2/3, Cyberbots, Rival Schools, Powerstone, and Super Gem Fighter.
I've never played Darkstalkers before, so it's all pretty new to me. I've been happily struggling through the combo trials.
I'd still be up for buying future digital releases of Street Fighter Alpha 2/3, Cyberbots, Rival Schools, Powerstone, and Super Gem Fighter.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
It's almost as if social media is a piss poor gauge of actual interest.
Hunter-Zero
Member
Uprezzed niche game with an awful filter sold as "HD", at 15 bucks, and now they´re disappointed? what were they expecting?
Capcom is often their own worst enemy when it comes to fighting games. This generation alone they've released seven different versions of Street Fighter, five different versions of Marvel vs Capcom, and an assortment of other fighting games (Darkstalkers, Puzzle fighter, Jojo, etc)
It's market saturation at it's worst, and there isn't a whole lot of difference between the various games to the eyes of the non-hardcore either.
K
kittens
Unconfirmed Member
I have no interest in fighting games, but I've always adored the Darkstalkers style and characters. My housemate and I were just talking about it a few hours ago. I'd love to see the franchise be succesful.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Game nobody actually wanted doesn't sell, more news as it happens
I think half of the already small Darkstalkers fanbase appreciates its art more than it's combat
I think half of the already small Darkstalkers fanbase appreciates its art more than it's combat
Anticitizen One
Banned
Fans wanted a new game not ports of old ones
RobbieNick
Junior Member
I did my share and bought it on PS3.
How many copies does a digital game that doesn't look like it costs much to put together have to make to cut even?
How many copies does a digital game that doesn't look like it costs much to put together have to make to cut even?
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
King of Fighters? Which most fighting game fans agree is the best 2d fighter out.
Heart Attack
Member
Maybe they shouldn't price old fighting games at $15 bucks. Also, who the fuck cares about Darkstalkers? Kickstart that shit if anyone want's a sequel.
I'm not really surprised. While the game itself is revamped and the netcode is great, it's still doesn't have the same appeal of an entirely new entry.
I don't think the game had to do crazy well to justify a full 3D rebirth, but I think this proves the franchise itself just isn't popular. It certainly doesn't have widespread familiarity, and while I think the character designs have more juice than most fighters, it's still going to be a huge risk to do an high-budget release of DSIV with only a niche fanbase to scream "Yes! Fucking Darkstalkers!".
Capcom's in a real pickle right now, and I'm scared that something like Street Fighter V on next-gen consoles may be looking a bit more lucrative. :S
The thing is, if they get any game out within the early throes of the next console launch, they'll have that tasty marketshare (Much like how SSFIV for the 3DS cleaned up, despite the bad hardware numbers).
I think Capcom would do fine with any franchise if they finally implemented a decent story mode, but they may have their work cut out for them if they hope to match what people are used to with Netherrealm's singleplayer TLC.
Doesn't KOFXIII have like, a 10 frame buffer for linked specials provided you hold down the button... and their raging demon inputs are rare, plus they don't involve directions.
Also, KOF sold terribly compared to the sales margin Capcom is unfortunately looking for.
I don't think the game had to do crazy well to justify a full 3D rebirth, but I think this proves the franchise itself just isn't popular. It certainly doesn't have widespread familiarity, and while I think the character designs have more juice than most fighters, it's still going to be a huge risk to do an high-budget release of DSIV with only a niche fanbase to scream "Yes! Fucking Darkstalkers!".
Capcom's in a real pickle right now, and I'm scared that something like Street Fighter V on next-gen consoles may be looking a bit more lucrative. :S
The thing is, if they get any game out within the early throes of the next console launch, they'll have that tasty marketshare (Much like how SSFIV for the 3DS cleaned up, despite the bad hardware numbers).
I think Capcom would do fine with any franchise if they finally implemented a decent story mode, but they may have their work cut out for them if they hope to match what people are used to with Netherrealm's singleplayer TLC.
Doesn't KOFXIII have like, a 10 frame buffer for linked specials provided you hold down the button... and their raging demon inputs are rare, plus they don't involve directions.
Also, KOF sold terribly compared to the sales margin Capcom is unfortunately looking for.
Never understood the love for King of Fighters. It has a great cast of characters, and the basic fighting mechanic are sound, but it never stands up under scrutiny.
Kinda reminds me of Dead Or Alive in a way.
I find KOF much easier than Darkstalkers, IMO.
Hmm... let's use it to gauge interest on what would be a modern update to the series.
Er, it's a business - just like any other business, if the product doesn't sell well they're unlikely to push forward with it.
Entitled gamers are entitled. Some people live in a fantasy land on this site, I swear.
crimzonflame
Member
Dont fucking compare DoA to KoF. DONT.
In what way does it not stand up under scrutiny?
KoF13 is the best fighter since CvS2. Comparing it to DoA is lol worthy.
DR2K
Banned
Yeah no need to insult DOA like that.
Hours Left
Member
"Most fully featured"? It doesn't even have the full cast. Capcom's expectations are too high.
Anyway, I still don't think this will have any effect on Darkstalkers 4.
Anyway, I still don't think this will have any effect on Darkstalkers 4.
joffocakes
Member
The only fault I've found in KoF XIII is my terrible execution.
Yeah, I'll give you credit for KoF13. It's much better than previous installments. I'd still rather just go play Street Fighter IV tho. =p
KoF needs good netcode before it gets anywhere- doesn't matter how good everything else is. If I pick it up, who the hell will I play against? lol at comparing it to DOA though, that's ridiculous.
DR2K
Banned
I don't think so either sfiv and mvc3 where knee deep into development before their ports released, probably the same case here. Ono wants this to happen so it probably will.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Oh I know, trust me Im disappointed in the shitty netcode myself.
The entire fighting game market is saturated right now.
Good and bad for consumers.
Good because there are a lot of options.
Good because competition is at an all time high in the genre.
Bad because games are underperforming and their budgets are poised to expect increased growth which never happens.
Bad because the hardcore aren't as used to the quick iteration we are getting nowadays, and the casual market who don't remember the old days of fighting games quite well or are too young are very vocally against that same quick iteration which makes them feel cheated.
Many of these points are Capcom-centric, but extend to Namco too.
Right now, the genre needs Injustice to push the boundaries of featureset in fighting games, Street Fighter V to revitalize the Capcom stable and most of all, next gen to rid them of platform restrictions and to provide a better distribution model for consumers and publishers.
Fine Ham Abounds
Member
Maybe in 1996.
crimzonflame
Member
Did they think this game would get MvC2 or 3S numbers? lol idiots.
Capcom re-releases JoJo's, DS, and MSH and are disappointed by the numbers. I guess they're done with fighting games for a while.
Capcom re-releases JoJo's, DS, and MSH and are disappointed by the numbers. I guess they're done with fighting games for a while.
Can I use this thread to open up a thought for discussion?
Capcom is notorious for baiting (RE4 Wii situation, VanillaMvC3) but besides that fact .....
Is he wrong? Not really imo. We often see our peers being vocal for certain games to be published but do we really in turn support that effort?
Operation Rainfall managed to work and as one of the results, Xenoblade is going for more than 50$ secondhand. Granted due to limited supply but thats just for example purposes
Here is an example in Dalkstalkers where it doesn't work and we cant expect to blame anyone really. The support just wasn't there despite the vocal cries.
So the publisher isnt going to explore the market with that IP if it isn't profitable. We have to show them that the demand is out there in order to receive what we want. Sad reality
We see the petitions to bring X game for US release, but do all those people who signed their name purchase a copy of said game?
Capcom is notorious for baiting (RE4 Wii situation, VanillaMvC3) but besides that fact .....
Is he wrong? Not really imo. We often see our peers being vocal for certain games to be published but do we really in turn support that effort?
Operation Rainfall managed to work and as one of the results, Xenoblade is going for more than 50$ secondhand. Granted due to limited supply but thats just for example purposes
Here is an example in Dalkstalkers where it doesn't work and we cant expect to blame anyone really. The support just wasn't there despite the vocal cries.
So the publisher isnt going to explore the market with that IP if it isn't profitable. We have to show them that the demand is out there in order to receive what we want. Sad reality
We see the petitions to bring X game for US release, but do all those people who signed their name purchase a copy of said game?
Not before I get my alpha collection. :'(
Oh don't remind me of Tatsunoko vs Capcom. The one fighting game I wish they would have done more with, and they did basically nothing after securing all the rights to it.
Heart of Black
Member
Who wrote this shit?
->its not as high on the chart as it needs to be in order to be considered successful.
->Sadly, its not as high on that list as it really needs to be to be successful, Svensson wrote in his candid response.
Honestly, having hung out with Christian on multiple occasions, he knows his shit (obviously) sales wise.
These games are SUPER niche, and XBLA is like a grave yard these days for many games... if people want to see more Darkstalkers, they need to get their friends to buy these ports.
I bought 3rd Strike on two machines, that's how hyped I was. I still haven't bought DS, because I kinda don't even care.
->its not as high on the chart as it needs to be in order to be considered successful.
->Sadly, its not as high on that list as it really needs to be to be successful, Svensson wrote in his candid response.
Honestly, having hung out with Christian on multiple occasions, he knows his shit (obviously) sales wise.
These games are SUPER niche, and XBLA is like a grave yard these days for many games... if people want to see more Darkstalkers, they need to get their friends to buy these ports.
I bought 3rd Strike on two machines, that's how hyped I was. I still haven't bought DS, because I kinda don't even care.
Hours Left
Member
I'm almost certainly it's already happening. The pattern is very clear to me. That CG "Darkstalkers are not Dead" trailer? There's no way they commission something like that just to "hype up the internal development team". DS4 is coming.
But Capcom's handling of Resurrection was pretty poor IMO. Very little hype and too hard of a focus on "arcade purity". The fact is that the super hardcore DS players are not enough to keep the brand going. They need to reach out to new people and lapsed casual fans, and you do that with content. Releasing the game with all the extra arrange content missing was a mistake. They could or released a version that would of made everyone happy, they chose not to, and I'm not sure why.
Darkstalkers is very, very popular in Japan. Don't panic. The game's almost certainly going to be Capcom's next Arcade release (and first Next-Gen FG title.) DSR even got a disc release over there. America is a case, much like say, KoF, where IP unfamiliarity really hurts this type of release.
This was not even HD remake. It's just flat out arcade emulation.
He's not wrong. I think this is more of Capcom doing fans a solid than a litmus test. It's hard to correlate HD rerelease performance to full iterative titles, and I'm sure they're marketing team knows that. Sven always says, on a daily basis they have discussions about their IPs and their strengths, and when they should be resurrected (no pun intended). DS got its shot eventually, and quite honestly, compared to a lot of the other duds they have, it's one of the stronger IPs from they're past that they can still manipulate into something greater.
At this point, we know the next Darkstalkers is happening. It makes too much sense to and they've damn near said everything besides "we're making it." And I believe the IP is strong enough to carry it. The question is, will the marketing be there in all territories and will Capcom budget the game accordingly.
Fine Ham Abounds
Member
I wish it was just possible to kickstart arcades back into existence.
Being "the only game in town" for PS4/NextBox is huge. It's looking like the only "soon" next-gen FG title might be BB:CP, if they push it to that to avoid the PS3/360 glut/graveyard.
Yup.
I'd say launch for next gen is an even bigger deal but it looks like that'd be too soon for both development and location testing. Methinks 2014 at the earliest, possibly 2015.