My kids play "Skylanders Giants" on Wii U. It's pretty much the only dealings I have with the console
"Sold like shit" is a consequence. Except for Capcom and Capcom 5 there wasn't many things exclusive from third parties, even before the GC started to sell like shit, and the ports stopped coming real fast. "kiddy console", remember" But yeah it had a better support than Wii U, that's not saying much though.
Wii had mostly rushed shovelware and only from a few third parties, are we now saying it had support?
Without Saints Row (assumed) and GTA V, it was really the last hope for a good open world game like this.
It's only a matter of time before Acti/WB pull their token support leaving Ubisoft as the only remaining 3rd party.
It's only a matter of time before Acti/WB pull their token support leaving Ubisoft as the only remaining 3rd party.
Its really coming from both sides. Same crap in just about every Wii U thread. One side thinks the developer is full of shit and other side think Nintendo is full of shit. I think they both are.
Nintendo could have done a lot more to get more developers on board. At the same time these same developers ignored Nintendo's best selling hardware ever so there is little chance they would bother to support their new console no matter how it sold.
lol umm.. what industry have you been watching where this "hardcore" gamer supports anything? Last generation survived on the back of the most casual console there was, and once it died out, lo and behold studios began closing shop and laying off constantly, but suure the hardcore will definitely be able to support the even higher budget games, on only two consoles no less, no problem.
All this complaining and whining, troll fest and excuses doesn't do anything to help. The consumers are shitting on thirdparty devs games. Until WiiU owners in mass start to really support thirdparty games, doing this rinse and repeat is pointless in every thread similar to this concerning Nintendo.
Funny thing is that if Nintendo had skipped the gimmicks and came up with something with slightly lower specs than the PS4 or 720, they would've had a year's head start on this generation.
Odds are that they would have won this generation.
All this complaining and whining, troll fest and excuses doesn't do anything to help. The consumers are shitting on thirdparty devs games. Until WiiU owners in mass start to really support thirdparty games, doing this rinse and repeat is pointless in every thread similar to this concerning Nintendo.
Sold like shit, had a special format and probably a far worse third party software ratio than the Box. Third Party support was leagues ahead of what the WiiU gets nonetheless.
The Wii had support, maybe not the support you like but still.
Had cartridges, sold considerably worse than the PSX and the PSX was far easier to develop for as far as i remember. Porting wasn´t easy because of the format.
So what do you want people to do? Accept ports of games that are old as fuck and be happy with it?All this complaining and whining, troll fest and excuses doesn't do anything to help. The consumers are shitting on thirdparty devs games. Until WiiU owners in mass start to really support thirdparty games, doing this rinse and repeat is pointless in every thread similar to this concerning Nintendo.
honest question, what 3rd party Wii U games should the consumers support at this moment?
The 3rd party ship definitely seems to have sailed. Nintendo completely failed to convince their partners and now they aren't part of anyone's next-gen development plans. Even if sales start to get better at the end of the year, it might not change a thing anymore.
It's their own fault, though. Except of opening up to indies (and even there they seem to have been outdone by Sony's ambitions) there's pretty much nothing I can think about Nintendo's done "right" with the Wii U so far.
The point is that it's not viable to develop something.
Bulletpoints, translated by me
- Avalanche has no plans for Wii U
- Have a couple of Wii U dev kits that only collects dust
- Too small install base according to Sundberg
- Nintendo is hard to reach, you never know how to contact them
- Believes Nintendo has a lot to win with copying Sony, reach out to developers, create enthusiasm
[UPDATE]
Article translated with google translate:
Source (Norwegian)
http://www.pressfire.no/spesialer/gdc-13/6919/-Utviklermaskinene-stvet-bare-ned
Monster Hunter, Most Wanted U and ZombiU.
eShop games
Add some kinda Wii-mote upgrade for the casuals and I agree. Nintendo could have dominated this gen, pulling the Wii's plug early was the first mistake.
Zombi-U & Most Wanted, for sure. Beyond that, AC3, ME3 & Batman. Probably FIFA too. Maybe Tekken.honest question, what 3rd party Wii U games should the consumers support at this moment?
Monster Hunter is an acquired taste...
Only few months left to troll Wii U. Don't miss your chance!
Monster Hunter, Most Wanted U and ZombiU.
eShop games
All this complaining and whining, troll fest and excuses doesn't do anything to help. The consumers are shitting on thirdparty devs games. Until WiiU owners in mass start to really support thirdparty games, doing this rinse and repeat is pointless in every thread similar to this concerning Nintendo.
Most of these problems can be attributed to one man: Miyamoto
He has been poison to Nintendo's growth and dominance in the gaming industry.
ZombiU is budget game, that reviewed like crap which im sure turned a lot of people off. (i bought it and personally loved it though)
Can you please repeat that? I don´t think everyone has seen it yet. So you don´t like Miyamoto?
Budget game? What?
I'd put Tekken much higher than that. I know fighting games are not for everyone but at least that title looked like effort was put into it. FIFA lacked features and Batman performance is as smooth as Bruce Wayne's face.Zombi-U & Most Wanted, for sure. Beyond that, AC3, ME3 & Batman. Probably FIFA too. Maybe Tekken.
Do not read if you can't handle scrying, because this isn't scrying, it's something else entirely.
Exactly what I said 2 days ago, this is just the start of a snowball effect, how many times do you hear people say the Nintendo xxx is collecting dust, and how many times do you hear people speak up?
This man has both uttered the two concepts together, and has not only proved that his company takes no shit, he's also looking for accountability and wants Nintendo to hone up to their premature release of the beta console. Like the CNN author put it, Nintendo has 'oversight', I call it blinding confidence. What type of hardware company gives you a platform, tells you to develop games for it, but gives you no instructions on how to do this?
People used to say bad things about the PS3 being hard to develop for... Granted, but SONY offered their help with seminars, classes, and a massive stack of instruction manuals. They never blindsided their devs this way, always offering support. This dev has recognized that.
Nintendo, lavishing in its greed, money, and arrogance thinks it can make banknotes sitting on its ass, by having other people do the work for it. The dev even reached out to Nintendo, and got nothing in response, this isn't a small dev either, it's the people from Just Cause!
On the other hand, no matter who you are, whether you're a seasoned veteran, or just a student looking to animate your idea into a video game, Sony will always have your back.
This is absolutely disgusting to hear, first Miyamoto tells you to be patient for the games on the WiiU, then Nintendo neglects any games from happening on the WiiU.
They're too busy jumping on Atlus' back and telling them how to do their game, while their team just sits there sipping margaritas out of entitlement. When Iwata talked during the trailer for FE X SMT, I literally heard him say something along the lines like ''We are inexperienced in games of this quality, therefore we will be using Atlus to make this game''. That's my paraphrase.
Obviously, they spread awareness of Nintendo's retardation as a means to get Nintendo on the phone, because Nintendo has no choice, if it doesn't respond, others will start to speak out. Maybe Nintendo is lazy and doesn't care anymore? Maybe people just have it out for Nintendo this year because they released a terribly flawed platform, and want to push it into a short life-cycle so Nintendo can make a competitive system?
This is install base is a life-support that will do no good in long run if Nintendo does not provide the support necessary to carry the 5 year-old system. Its life cycle may come to a close sooner than later.
Nintendo has good PR, but the PR can't cover all their tracks. This will leave them exposed as the veteran babies in the video game industry that can't be bothered to clean-up after themselves after they shit premium Gerber all over the kitchen floor. Solve this.
Tell me no, I was wrong, I didn't speak out a few days, I didn't say that this was just the beginning.
PhantomR
Nintendo specializes in denying people from posting their games on the e-shop.
Are you drunk?
Well, such a compromising approach only works to avoid debate and discussion if you think the blame truly lies 50% with each side. Most people think that's not the case.
fabricated backlash said:Pretty much. It's like watching two petulant childs argue over who's to blame.
Ultimately it's up to Nintendo to prove the WiiU a viable plattform for others. 3rd parties have no obligation to release for it. If Activision and Ubisoft didn't have a strong kids/family focused part in their strategy, they would've ditched Nintendo as well.
I wonder if they'll be able to forge new alliances with Independent studios and how that'll play out for them.
Still, no matter how they try to twist it, the WiiU will be the Niche console of this upcoming gen. There's simply no way they're magically going to turn the sunken ship around. Not with the worst 3rd party support in their history.
So what do you want people to do? Accept ports of games that are old as fuck and be happy with it?
You can't call every argument trolling. Do you want people to either support the console or not talk?
What? lolno. Nintendo has matched Sony pound for pound in this space and has the developer support to back them up. Have you seen Kickstarter lately?
I think it's just very clear that Nintendo has lost faith in the publisher model outside of a few companies and would rather work with developers (preferably smaller) directly. The interaction publishers are having with Nintendo versus the interaction indies are having with Nintendo is night and day. And conversly, so is the level of development enthusiasm.
Whether that is the right or wrong strategy is for you to decide.
On paper it seems awesome, I tried the demo and thought the play mechanics were pretty terrible
Definately not for me
I had never played any previous MH game
Are you drunk?
I blame the gamers too.
SHAME on us who choosing a Nintendo platform as our main platform.
SHAME on us for not buying Mass Effect 3 for $60 when PS360/PC get ME: Trilogy for $60
SHAME on us for not buying Batman Arkham City, the worst version of the game performance wise.
SHAME on us for not buying the 5 month late NFS: Most Wanted U even though its the best version.
SHAME on us for not in the future getting the 2 year old Deus EX on Wii U.
SHAME on us for not eating up anything that gets thrown at our feet.
SHAME on us for not buying the games we are getting on the platform in the millions during the first month.
SHAME on us for remembering how we have been treated in the past when it comes to weather or not we get a games sequels.
SHAME on us indeed.
;P
It does seem Nintendo is more willing to work with indies, but that begs the question-why not offer both indies and big/medium publishers support? Regardless how Nintendo feels about the big publishers AAA model, compared to the indie's, they should be supportive of everyone interested in making games for their system. How does it hurt them to have more titles on their system that will be appearing on their competitors system?
They are suffering because of a lack of games so it would seem wise to back everyone interested in making games. It's not Nintendo's money being spent to develop said 3rd party games from the big publishers, so why not at least be willing to offer them support in getting their Wii U games up and running while also working with the smaller indie teams?
Monster Hunter, Most Wanted U and ZombiU.
eShop games
He's right on the money. Nintendo has itself to blame.
But two of those are ports and personally I won't buy until e shop games are linked to me not the console.
There isn't a lot to support yet.
Its better than getting back yard barn games. They're late because the console released after launch. Luckily some of them benefit from a delayed release, but there is no point in complaining about what you don't get if you don't support the efforts you do. Its either them or bargain bin games.
But two of those are ports and personally I won't buy until e shop games are linked to me not the console.
There isn't a lot to support yet.
Gamecube wasn't badly designed. It was one of those instances where bad marketing was actually a valid excuse. Black was available at launch but Nintendo pushed the purple model for the system's image because ???The consequence of Nintendo releasing a in parts badly designed console with a "for children" image at least a year too late against the behemoth that was the PS2.
And it doesn´t really matter if you count third party exclusives or multiplatform games, both blow the WiiU lineup out of the water in quality and quantity (just think of all time classics like REmake).
Regarding the Wii, it got the software support that was fitting for it´s audience.