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MS marketing director: "We are going to kill Sony at E3!"

You're not making any sense. You responded to a poster commenting on the "hope MS doesn't have a good lineup" comment with "It goes both ways. People are defending MS"

I asked, how is defending MS equated with wishing them not having a good lineup?

That has nothing to do with me being offended. A proper equation would be people wishing Sony doesn't have a good lineup. So it's not "going both ways" as you stated.

Let me do the work for you since you are clearly not paying attention. Here is this post.

I really hope MS don't show anything great, otherwise it'll make my console of choice for next gen, a lot harder..

Come on now lol

Let's judge them both post E3.

Your follow up to whatever you took from me posting that

How does defending MS equate to wishing they don't have a good lineup? The equation would be wishing Sony didn't have a good lineup.

My question to you is how you even correlate the two.

My initial reaction to said statement was to laugh. Even though right now, things look better for PS4, that doesn't mean MSFT won't have games. I was actually being impartial and saying wait and see after E3. You decided to argue my point by taking a left turn.

I don't have anything to add to that. I already said what I said. You can draw whatever conclusion you want.

I'm trying to figure what the hell you meant by "it goes both ways". Do you even know? You are talking nonsense son.... lmao

Have you seen Marleys posts?

IT GOES BOTH WAYS.

Would you like for me to draw it in crayon for you?

What do you think goes both ways? Throwing stones and fanboy bickering. As I said earlier, if you read the thread then you would see this so please spare me the politics and try be impartial.
 
Let's be real, if you read the thread, there are plenty who are basically defending MSFT hand and foot so don't cast too many stones.

It goes both ways.

There's nothing pitiful about being excited about Microsoft possibly showing something great, and hoping they do. There's quite a bit pitiful in hoping they fall flat on their face and disappoint in hopes of throwing it in the faces of people who were excited.

Positive approach is always the best approach. I hope Microsoft has a kickass E3 and I hope Sony follow it up with an even more kickass E3. I hope both sides blow me away, because it's better for all of us that way.
 
Lets speculate on a best case scenario for Microsoft:

Halo 5
Fable
Respawn's Titan exclusive
GTA next gen exclusive
League of Legends console exclusive
Twitch streaming built in


What else?

People keep mentioning third party games like GTA and Respawns game, Spencer said all 15 exclusives would be published by Microsoft studios, if i remember correctly.
 
People keep mentioning third party games like GTA and Respawns game, Spencer said all 15 exclusives would be published by Microsoft studios, if i remember correctly.

Which also takes League of Legends out of the equation. Riot is rich enough that it can self publish no problem.
 
Because both 3rd & first parties realized timed exclusives make more sense. Cheaper for first party, and since games are frontloaded they still get the bump from initial sales and hype, and 3rd parties can make more money off ports down the line.

I wouldn't expect that to change this gen with the stakes even higher.

Well, Im not fussed either way about the exclusives unless something like an Itagaki Ninja gaiden or a DMC5 goes to xbox (or even worse the next non-nintendo Platinum game) But it would be nice to think that if you really do want these games, they will eventually come to playstation platforms anyway.

As Ive said before, I dont really give a shit about either of these companies bottom line and I think people get too wrapped up in who is going to win "the console war". Long as there are plenty of games you like on your platform of choice, its no big deal.


Even if the XBONE sells gangbusters, The PS4 will not get dreamcasted. Both platforms are going to sell an extremely healthy amount (although there will be a AAA crash mid generation) and I wager they will at very worst be neck and neck in sales come the generations end.
 
Now your putting words in my mouth. Don't do that.

I'm reading the thread like you. Why aren't you quoting certain posters who are also defending or showing an MSFT slant? Perhaps that says more about you not me.

I'm trying to be impartial but if you see my words as you have so clearly interpreted in the quote then the issue is how you take things vs how I actually articulate.

I can't draw it any clearer than that so if you hate me for having to explain myself then that's your problem.

I have no problem but when people try to assume or put words in my mouth, I take issue.

Let me get this straight:

A gamer publicly stating that they wish a console does not have a good gaming lineup. To me that's a negative thing to say.

A gamer publicly stating that they wish a console has a great gaming lineup and they're excited about it is a positive thing to say.

But to you, being excited about that lineup is just as negative as saying that you wish it doesn't have a good lineup. That says a lot about you.

That's like someone saying "I hope that guy gets cancer". And someone replies "I hope that guy lives a long healthy life". You would come along and say both guys were casting stones!

No, one guy was casting stones, the other was being positive.
 
I think you are underestimating the hardware difference between the consoles. There is seriously no logical reason why the PS4 version won't look and run much better other than the developer deliberately gimps the version to not hurt Xbone's feelings.. Any game that can scrap 30fps on Xbone should be running 60 on PS4 flawlessly.
You're going to be disappointed if you're expecting to see a difference of 30 frames between the two.
 
There's nothing pitiful about being excited about Microsoft possibly showing something great, and hoping they do. There's quite a bit pitiful in hoping they fall flat on their face and disappoint in hopes of throwing it in the faces of people who were excited.

Positive approach is always the best approach. I hope Microsoft has a kickass E3 and I hope Sony follow it up with an even more kickass E3. I hope both sides blow me away, because it's better for all of us that way.

I'm in parallel to what you're saying in that MSFT has been terrible thus far but I'm not wishing for them to have a dumpster fire of an E3 showing.

Right now they have more to gain but no one else knows how many or what quality of game Sony is bringing to E3. I know it's going to be big on their end but for MSFT, they've been quiet enough so it's hard to gauge excitement.
 
Let me get this straight:

A gamer publicly stating that they wish a console does not have a good gaming lineup. To me that's a negative thing to say.

A gamer publicly stating that they wish a console has a great gaming lineup and they're excited about it is a positive thing to say.

But to you, being excited about that lineup is just as negative as saying that you wish it doesn't have a good lineup. That says a lot about you.

That's like someone saying "I hope that guy gets cancer". And someone replies "I hope that guy lives a long healthy life". You would come along and say both guys were casting stones!

No, one guy was casting stones, the other was being positive.

LOL relax there. People wish competing services have poor lineups all the time so it makes their purchase decision easier. For instance, as a PC gamer I don't want Origin to have a great lineup cause then I have to split my library among different services and that is inconvenient for me. On consoles, I would have to be buying multiple systems to get the full experience and thus spend much more money.
 
So wait, it's honest to say you'll consider the xbox if it has a decent E3, but if you say you won't buy it no matter what they show is somehow dishonest?
It's honest to come out and say "I hope X console doesn't impress me". Dishonest is pretending to not have a bias or preference.
 
You're going to be disappointed if you're expecting to see a difference of 30 frames between the two.

And what facts do you have to dispute this? The PS4 is a OBJECTIVELY more powerful system than the Xbone that is capable of pulling off such a difference when we compare their closest related PC GPUs. It is also easy to develop for. Things will become clearer at E3 but I fully expect to see such a difference.
 
You clearly don't know how much resources go into frame rate.



Multiplatforms performance will be determined by marketshare and low common denominator. You think anyone playing multiplatform games on ps3 knew the 360 version ran slightly better? There's not gonna be kiosks running both versions side by side and people deciding off of that. If this argument does somehow exist, people will likely buy an Xbox one knowing Xbox games ran better last time. They isn't gonna be a sticker on the box that says "now based on x86! Easier to develop for!" But it doesn't because that's not how people buy games.

Console comparisons are going to be a main focus of multi plat reviews for the first couple years, go back and look at multi plats at the beginning of this gen, the PS3 and 360 versions were always noted. And in a gen were used games may not exist, people will likely be relying on reviews more than ever.
 
Yeah I think it's best wise to reserve judgement til after E3 cause if its like the last couple of years it'll be killing sony/nintendo with laughter making them win by default from lack of market competition.
 
I said this the other day -- they're going to launch a full salvo of games on us at E3, real games. Some huge exclusives, great new IPs (Black Tusk, Rare), it's pretty obvious they're gonna go all out.
 
I can believe it. Unfortunately I think it might simply be through marketing budgets and paid for third party exclusives.

But I should hope for some cool exclusives too I guess.
 
Well the challenge has been accepted sir. See you manufacturers at e3. I am looking forward to both groups showing something that sways me to buy their systems.
 
People keep mentioning third party games like GTA and Respawns game, Spencer said all 15 exclusives would be published by Microsoft studios, if i remember correctly.

They might well be first party published, third party developed titles like ME was initially.

I highly doubt MS has enough first party developers to produce 15 quality titles in the time stated.
 
Let me get this straight:

A gamer publicly stating that they wish a console does not have a good gaming lineup. To me that's a negative thing to say.

A gamer publicly stating that they wish a console has a great gaming lineup and they're excited about it is a positive thing to say.

But to you, being excited about that lineup is just as negative as saying that you wish it doesn't have a good lineup. That says a lot about you.

That's like someone saying "I hope that guy gets cancer". And someone replies "I hope that guy lives a long healthy life". You would come along and say both guys were casting stones!

No, one guy was casting stones, the other was being positive.

I guess putting laughing at someone dismissing MSFT was wrong. I should have articulated more initially. I don't know what you took from what I said but this is the last I'm going to talk on it.

I am in the wait and see camp and don't wish for MSFT to have a bad showing. Try and not find a hidden meaning in that as I'm speaking in plain English.

What is wrong with my posts?

You, I only have to look at your posting habits. You don't think I read threads and notice you? I read threads like you do, I notice when someone has a slant. Only a gamertag in your profile, I'm not surprised.

So to me, someone with at least multiple platforms and a somewhat fair slant is better than someone with seemingly only one platform and a posting history that's heavily MSFT slanted.

And before you get too upset, they are your posts. I wouldn't formulate my opinion if I didn't notice otherwise. You are but only one example and to be fair, there are plenty you can point on on Sony's side.

The distinguishing factor right now is that people who praise PS4 have reason to while those of us who are critical of MSFT have reason to be that way as well.

If MSFT had a good unveil like Sony then I'm sure you wouldn't be seeing the majority of us being critical of MSFT's approach here.
 
I said this the other day -- they're going to launch a full salvo of games on us at E3, real games. Some huge exclusives, great new IPs (Black Tusk, Rare), it's pretty obvious they're gonna go all out.

What has me curious is if they can fill 90 minutes with nothing but games.

Remember, they got all the multimedia stuff out of the way at the reveal. They'll have 360 section and a Kinect section. But the bulk of their presentation will probably be core XBOXOne stuff.

Can MS really pull this off? It'll be fun seeing them either knock it out of the park or fall flat on their face.
 
Rockstar said they lost money on that deal with GTA4. Thought they said it was the last time they were going to do timed exclusive for anythin GTA related.

Which translates to, "We would definitely do it again if we're paid more." I don't think there will be a GTA exclusive, though. MS better hope those IPs they've been talking up are worth talking up.
 
They might well be first party published, third party developed titles like ME was initially.

I highly doubt MS has enough first party developers to produce 15 quality titles in the time stated.

They actually have a lot of first party devs now. Not only have they been opening studios for the past few years they've acquired Twisted Pixel and Press play.
 
What has me curious is if they can fill 90 minutes with nothing but games.

Remember, they got all the multimedia stuff out of the way at the reveal. They'll have 360 section and a Kinect section. But the bulk of their presentation will probably be core XBOXOne stuff.

Can MS really pull this off? It'll be fun seeing them either knock it out of the park or fall flat on their face.

I think the TV talk in their unveil was hopefully the majority of that and we get mostly games talk. I have no doubt this show will be much better than their unveil.

I can't guarantee the level of excitement though if there is a lot of Kinect based games.
 
Maybe they are going to announce the Xbox 720.

Were there not rumors of 2 different hardware releases planned. The under powered TV box, and then the successor to the 360? That would certainly be a huge revelation.

:|

If Microsofts' strategy is mostly money hats, I do not see it making that much of a difference. Having both consoles launch at relatively the same time and price is what matters.
 
I doubt this guy has any idea of what would be required from them in order to "kill" anything at E3 at this point. They are that delusional.
 
What else is a marketing person going to say? "We're going to let Sony steamroll us"?

People read too much into PR sometimes.

"I think Xbox One will have a very compelling line-up and you'll see that at E3."

As opposed to, "OMFgt Sony r ded :)"

One leads to hype and excitement the other tickles fanboy boners and over hypes. I guess this is why lawyers hover over PR things so often.
 
I guess putting laughing at someone dismissing MSFT was wrong. I should have articulated more initially. I don't know what you took from what I said but this is the last I'm going to talk on it.

I am in the wait and see camp and don't wish for MSFT to have a bad showing. Try and not find a hidden meaning in that as I'm speaking in plain English.



You, I only have to look at your posting habits. You don't think I read threads and notice you? I read threads like you do, I notice when someone has a slant. Only a gamertag in your profile, I'm not surprised.

So to me, someone with at least multiple platforms and a somewhat fair slant is better than someone with seemingly only one platform and a posting history that's heavily MSFT slanted.

And before you get too upset, they are your posts. I wouldn't formulate my opinion if I didn't notice otherwise. You are but only one example and to be fair, there are plenty you can point on on Sony's side.

The distinguishing factor right now is that people who praise PS4 have reason to while those of us who are critical of MSFT have reason to be that way as well.

If MSFT had a good unveil like Sony then I'm sure you wouldn't be seeing the majority of us being critical of MSFT's approach here.



This is my stance on fanboyism and I'll state it only once:

There's absolutely nothing wrong with being an enthusiastic fanboy for something. Be it a sports team, a make of car or a videogame console.

Where this forum lowers itself is when some posters go beyond liking their console of choice and begin to resent/hate what they view as the "enemy" console. This is when reading threads becomes a chore.

Posters that everyone knows has no interest in the console being discussed invade threads and type post after post of negative tripe that give trolls a bad name. I personally don't understand this mentality. If I don't like something, I won't waste my time posting 40 times in a thread about that thing.

I don't care if someone has a "Pro-whatever" slant. I get annoyed when people have an obvious "anti-whatever" slant.
 
They might well be first party published, third party developed titles like ME was initially.

I highly doubt MS has enough first party developers to produce 15 quality titles in the time stated.

I wouldn't put too much stock in the 15 figure. A few will be small download titles, some will be Kinect dance/party games, two of them could be Halo (one at launch, one a year later). It may only be 4 or 5 big games.
 
What has me curious is if they can fill 90 minutes with nothing but games.

Remember, they got all the multimedia stuff out of the way at the reveal. They'll have 360 section and a Kinect section. But the bulk of their presentation will probably be core XBOXOne stuff.

Can MS really pull this off? It'll be fun seeing them either knock it out of the park or fall flat on their face.

I'm sure at least a half hour of it will be Kinectified. They didn't show any Kinect games at the reveal, did they? Kinect 2.0 tech looks really good so they're gonna show a bunch of games for it, no doubt.
 
People should probably try to realise that, once they're properly revealed you'll be able to compare lineups and features, and then decide what you want.

I loved inFamous and bought a PS3 for The Last Guardian. So I know which I'm going to buy.

I am concerned Microsoft will impress me becuase my budget won't stretch that far, and there might be games I desperately want.

It doesn't betray a slant, unless your slant is that you'd prefer eat than starve.
 
You, I only have to look at your posting habits. You don't think I read threads and notice you? I read threads like you do, I notice when someone has a slant. Only a gamertag in your profile, I'm not surprised.

No slant; you can say notice it but I am telling you I don't have one.

LiquidMetal said:
So to me, someone with at least multiple platforms and a somewhat fair slant is better than someone with seemingly only one platform and a posting history that's heavily MSFT slanted.

I play my PS3 much more lately, mainly for The Show 13. My posting history isn't MS slanted; I just find it ridiculous the hate they get. If that is showing a slant; so be it. I am not anti-Sony; that is the big difference.

LiquidMetal said:
The distinguishing factor right now is that people who praise PS4 have reason to whilet those of us who are critical of MSFT have reason to be that way as well.

So there is no room for people to be critical of the PS4 for the lack of coherent information since February? I am critical of MS's weak showing but I am waiting until after E3 to be sure of what I want to do this coming gen.
 
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