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[Eusis]

I think we were already were to the point of where downloading our games would be a better more convenient way of distribution, but outside of us hardcore gamers people just weren't ready. So Sony catered to everyone by going the bluray route. They wanted to reach out to everyone, just like the Xbone thinks they're doing with the strange ass route they're taking.

. . . Ok, yeah, this is bullshit.

Not that there isn't SOME truth there (only the hardcore in well connected areas would care), but it really wasn't practical just yet even for hardcore gamers, because laptop sized HDDs still seemed to be going for too much, at least not by so little as to make it a sensible trade off with blu-ray. So you go the route to appeal to hardcore only, and just stick a massive hard drive in and tell them to download... and the system either would've cost more then, or would've dropped in price a hell of a lot slower. Nevermind that the store was initially a piece of shit and the OS is STILL a piece of shit for downloads. And actually, even on our end I doubt we were really ready, my internet is WAY faster now, I wouldn't have tolerated waiting on 10+ GB games to the PS3 then, especially without its other issues being sorted out.

I've seen someone say we were half a generation early for blu-ray, and the same applies to DD on consoles I think. Full sized games, even blu-ray games, only really became practical to download to consoles in 2009 or 2010 when speeds were going up and bigger hard drives were not only cheaper but standard in consoles. Hell, my 250 got too cramped and needed to be switched with a 750 thanks to plus, I can't imagine going with my full library that way.

In any case the blu-ray path was more valuable and trying to compare that with the X1's cable push is absurd. Many of us were getting HDTVs, we wanted to be able to flex that, and the PS3 offered that in both HD movies and HD games. Plus it was an extension of what worked great for the PS2, the fact it offered great games AND could play those hot new DVDs. The X1's just promising some overlay and interactive features with cable TV, basically a gimmick in contrast to a true upgrade, and unlike games, an interactive medium, I don't think these TV gimmicks are going to have as wide of appeal.

EDIT: And admittedly that probably was laying it on overly heavy in hindsight (especially with the admission of being drunk), but far as I can tell there really wasn't a more practical option for more storage then, system would still be $500-600 and even if they decreased their loss it'd be canceled out by inaccessibility.

 

[Metalmurphy]

I think people are jumping into conclusions when it comes to no internet required = no DRM.

Sony games might not have used game DRM, (they already said they wouldn't) but third parties can easily require you to connect to the internet to register the game before you play it for the first time.

 

[SolidsnackooFoxhound]

I still can't believe that some people think that a business as big as Microsoft is so fucking stupid that they're going to ignore certain countries with limited internet access. Yeah, there's come people there that aren't with the times, but ultimately there's enough young influence to let them know they can't alienate the people who can't constantly be connected. It's business sense. Stop being idiots who jump to so many conclusions and realize that there's an ultimate plan that involves luring people from every angle possible. That's business.

They are stupid and most likely will. Profits son. They are important.

 

[nailbombxx]

No surprises here.

 

[M°°nblade]

I think people are jumping into conclusions when it comes to no internet required = no DRM.

Sony games might not have used game DRM, (they already said they wouldn't) but third parties can easily require you to connect to the internet to register the game before you play it for the first time.

Some third party publishers can and probably will experiment with DRM on the PS4 to see how the market reacts to it / affects sales.

The interesting thing is that, unlike MS, Sony didn't create a system-wide DRM but a per game approach which gives freedom to publishers to vote for no-DRM as well since there doesn't seem to be a DRM consensus amongst them.

If 3rd parties chose to implement DRM in their game, it's their choice and their responsibility. And they are the ones who will recieve all the backlash, not sony. MS on the other hand ...

 

[disastermouse]

Some third party publishers can and probably will experiment with DRM on the PS4 to see how the market reacts to it / affects sales.

The interesting thing is that, unlike MS, Sony didn't create a system-wide DRM system but a per game approach which gives freedom to publishers to vote for no-DRM as well.

If 3rd parties chose to implement DRM in their game, it's their choice and their responsibility. And they are the ones who will recieve all the backlash, not sony.

As much as I don't want to see any DRM, I'm okay with it if it's individual publishers and not system-wide a la Xbone. I can avoid the publishers that implement it.

 

[BruiserBear]

Talk to Microsoft about it. They know more than you and I about the market, and that's most likely a fact.

Microsoft knows so much about the Xbox market they chose to demonstrate TV features to unveil their new console, and nearly everyone laughed at them.

 

[M°°nblade]

As much as I don't want to see any DRM, I'm okay with it if it's individual publishers and not system-wide a la Xbone. I can avoid the publishers that implement it.

It'll be interesting to see if MS reconsiders it's DRM system or not before the launch of the Xbone. If they don't, I expect them to have a plan B ready to remove the feature in case it doesn't turn out well.

 

[Warablo]

So basically Sony is going put all the blame on the publishers... Smart, cause all of them will be doing it..

 

[GYNGA]

More relief... At a roundtable this morning, Sony's game studios chief, Shuhei Yoshida, told reporters that any requirement for users to register a game online in order to play it would be left to game publishers. Sony won't require that.

So it's up to publishers just like online passes. It's kind of a relief, seeing that online passes did not spread too much. And if the DRM-enabled games receive a negative feedback/low sales, publishers will be able to exclude it in their games

 

[disastermouse]

This gives me hope!

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2013/05/31/sony-commented-on-drm-and-connection-requirements-at-the-playstation-4-reveal.aspx

 

[goomba]

So basically Sony is going put all the blame on the publishers... Smart, cause all of them will be doing it..

maybe even sony will lol

 

[Tratorn]

So basically Sony is going put all the blame on the publishers... Smart, cause all of them will be doing it..

Yes, because all of them used online-passes or made online-only games like Destiny will be (also on PS360) f.e..
And all publishers used region-locking too. Yes, really all of them.

 

[disastermouse]

So basically Sony is going put all the blame on the publishers... Smart, cause all of them will be doing it..

I don't think CD Projekt Red (Witcher 3) will. They're pretty rabidly anti-DRM.

 

[JaseC]

I don't think CD Projekt Red (Witcher 3) will. They're pretty rabidly anti-DRM.

It may not be up to CDPR. See: Scamco getting its knickers in a knot when CDPR removed SecuROM from the retail version of TW2.

 

[disastermouse]

It may not be up to CDPR. See: Scamco getting its knickers in a knot when CDPR removed SecuROM from the retail version of TW2.

If they put it out for PC with no DRM and Xbone/PS4 with DRM....I can see the Master Race lording that over our heads.

 

[neorej]

So basically Sony is going put all the blame on the publishers... Smart, cause all of them will be doing it..

And how are they going to do that on an offline console?

 

[googleplex]

I think people are jumping into conclusions when it comes to no internet required = no DRM.

Sony games might not have used game DRM, (they already said they wouldn't) but third parties can easily require you to connect to the internet to register the game before you play it for the first time.

This maybe true, then the PS4 DRM policy would be no different then the PS3'. I would be fine with that and continue not to support those third party publishers that do use such a DRM.

 

[Nikodemos]

It may not be up to CDPR. See: Scamco getting its knickers in a knot when CDPR removed SecuROM from the retail version of TW2.

How did it turn out? What was the result? Did Scamco release the $1.75 mill they owed CDPR or was the case awarded to them?

 

[AkIRA_22]

No, it does not have to be always connected, but Xbox One does require a connection to the Internet.

For that one quote alone Microsoft can go fellate themselves. That is the worst example of bullshit I've come across in gaming since 1994, when I started reading about games rather than just playing them.

 

[Respawn]

Is this a thing? I mean do you have links to provide? I do know of the "Why all games should be like Borderlands" thingy.

Guilt is a hell of a trip. Reminds me of when I was a child I broke my pops tape deck and offered to help fix it when he asked if anyone knows why it wasn't working. Your quick attempt to reply with that post and user name is suspicious.
Anyway the last viral buffoon who was caught and banned started a sim city thread. Check out the Sim city threads.

 

[Tadger]

Good on Sony.

I must admit I was one of the doubters, I thought they would go the MS route, well played.

 

[BradleyLove]

This RFID offline DRM makes little sense. There'd be an added cost to disc manufacturing, an added cost to PS4 hardware and added cost in making this happen at the system/OS level.

Anything at an OS level can be hacked.

Maintaining the existing PS3 model makes the most sense from Sony's perspective. There's no added cost from their end, they can publicise no system-level DRM and they can push the blame onto the publishers.

Unique activation code and online activation is by far the easiest solution available to publishers. The publishers control their own product too and don't need Sony's assistance. From Sony's perspective, the publishers are seen to be the bad guys.

I simply don't buy an overly complex and convoluted offline RFID system being implemented. If the publishers are so concerned with DRM, let the publishers devise their own methods.

 

[Rolf NB]

It's not about whats better. It's all about what reaches the most consumers.

What in the ever fyling fuck?

I oppose poor value and consumer extortion. I will not shut my mouth while marketing drones hoodwink fellow consumers into horrible deals. I am a consumer myself. I look out.

Corps can market whatever they want however they want as long as the product itself is good. OTOH a corp substituting product quality with aggressive marketing deserves no applause, no sympathy, no respect.

 

[lostones]

Idk about you guys but if RFID means I can't share my games at all I rather have Xbox one verification bs where at least its tied to my account

 

[Inanna]

Bloody great news! Now if Sony can just continue on this path with the No Used Game policies, I'm there day 0!

Sony is leaving it up to the publishers, that's what I'm worried about!

 

[WhyIsTheRumGone]

Bluray was only formed to make a better game play experience, right? Has nothing to do with pushing shit onto people to make more money, right? Yeah, just a larger physical storage medium when there's an absolute shit ton of better options out there. But you all accepted it and love Sony for it. OK.

Of course I accept it and love it. Having a gaming device AND a very high definition media player is a very good deal IMO. Can you watch 3D movies on a 360? AFAIK you can't. I would take a game that uses the 50GB of a blu-ray over a game that uses 4 DVDS any day in a heartbeat (that's why I don't own a 360, and that's why cutscenes look better on the PS3, and more sound options).

And I prefer my media to be physical, not downloadable and LOCKED to my HDD.

 

[Stone Ocean]

So basically Sony is going put all the blame on the publishers... Smart, cause all of them will be doing it..

Not all of them have the resources to actually manage this kind of shit, or don't really care.

I don't see most publishers doing it, really. You can count on EA doing it, obviously, but other publishers like Activision, 2K, Capcom or Square? Not at all.

 

[Feorax]

Sony is leaving it up to the publishers, that's what I'm worried about!

Why?

Sony enforcing it = all games using DRM

Leaving it to publishers = only some games with DRM.

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

Sony is leaving it up to the publishers, that's what I'm worried about!

If DRM is going to happen no matter what, it may as well be like that. Just don't buy games that implement it. Publishers will soon get the message.

 

[ASIS]

Dear Sony, I would gladly pay $500 for your new console if that was the case. It really does seem like the perfect system so far.

 

[Orin GA]

Wait till E3?

 

[something fishy]

It will if they want ea games. No way they are dropping online passes, going dr, on one system but not the other.

 

[the nightman cometh]

Some third party publishers can and probably will experiment with DRM on the PS4 to see how the market reacts to it / affects sales.

The interesting thing is that, unlike MS, Sony didn't create a system-wide DRM but a per game approach which gives freedom to publishers to vote for no-DRM as well since there doesn't seem to be a DRM consensus amongst them.

If 3rd parties chose to implement DRM in their game, it's their choice and their responsibility. And they are the ones who will recieve all the backlash, not sony. MS on the other hand ...

The scary part would be needing to login to each large publishers system every time you want to play their game. I hope it doesn't happen and they smarten up and don't implement anything but if they do it could get annoying and confusing.

 

[something fishy]

This maybe true, then the PS4 DRM policy would be no different then the PS3'. I would be fine with that and continue not to support those third party publishers that do use such a DRM.

So just online passes then for Sony themselves?

 

[chaosblade]

Most publishers, especially the big ones, are going to take advantage of whatever system Sony has in place. Whether it's universal online passes or full-on used game blocking.

I was hoping Sony's rhetoric recently meant they weren't going to have anything in place for this, but I guess that was hoping for too much.

Also, thread title probably needs an update if this is going to be the "megathread" for Sony's DRM+used game stuff.

 

[Thrakier]

The good guy would have cheap games DRM free downloadable straight to your HDD and transferable to any storage device you own. That won't happen with any of these companies. No one is a good guy here. They're all shit. It's not about you or me, it's about their potential profit. Why don't people get it already? Why are there these cheesy ass allegiances? Sorry, but I just don't get it.

That's a pretty naive statement. Going after profit doesn't equal "being shit". The whole life is about reaching out for profit for each of us, financial and emotional. It's in our DNA. You are talking about the companies (consisting of humans making human decisions) which are producing the products which people need to own for their much loved hobby - in a wider sense you coud speculate that they are making people happy, so they are much rather the good guys.

So, in a way, there is some sort of relationship between a company and it's consumers. Depending on the product, it's weak or it's strong, but it's there. Regarding console gaming, it's pretty strong most of the time for various reasons. And like in every relationship, you can treat your partner fair and respectful to get what you want, or you can try to abuse him to get what you want. And if it doesn't work, well, fuck you, the next guy is right around the corner.

Decide which way you like more.

 

[robertsan21]

If DRM is going to happen no matter what, it may as well be like that. Just don't buy games that implement it. Publishers will soon get the message.

Sony not enforcing it is weak IMO and its not saying, hey we are against it just as much as the fans are. They should enforce this otherwise in 2-3 years time all publishers will have DRM, it´s just a matter of time before they fuck us over as all other companies are doing.

 

[IonicSnake]

If it's up to the publishers I don't think they will do anything like MS is doing, I don't see EA putting up a system and making deals with retailers just so that PS4 owners can sell their games. MS have already set that up for them and it's most likely why we are seeing exclusive deals between EA and MS. Unless of course EA flat out block your game from anything after you register it on their servers.

The positive side is that we can still pick the games that doesn't support this as opposed to not have a choice at all.

 

[JaseC]

How did it turn out? What was the result? Did Scamco release the $1.75 mill they owed CDPR or was the case awarded to them?

I'm not sure. While Scamco did win the right to distribute the X360 version of the game in select territories (an opportunity CDPR had previously surreptitiously given to THQ), articles on the matter don't mention the DRM dispute and Google isn't offering up anything concrete. Perhaps the two settled on that front.

Regardless, my point still stands in that CDPR doesn't have the resources to distribute the game to retail itself, being instead reliant upon publishers, and as such it may not have much of a say in the matter of whether or not the physical versions of the game contain DRM -- the very issue it encountered with The Witcher 2.

 

[Stone Ocean]

I don't get why people think publishers allowing one console having no DRM is such a pipe dream. The PS3 was the only console with no region locking leaving it to publishers and in the end how many games actually had region locking? Just one.

Chances are no one will want to step forward and take all the flack of being the first anti-used game on the PS4. Cold war up in this bitch.

 

[Tyrone_Biggums]

Microsoft knows so much about the Xbox market they chose to demonstrate TV features to unveil their new console, and nearly everyone laughed at them.

Yep, all of GAF had a good chuckle. Lemme know when GAFFERS alone keep a console alive and a companies net income in the black. Because, like always, they're the driving force of the industry.

 

[Stone Ocean]

Sony not enforcing it is weak IMO and its not saying, hey we are against it just as much as the fans are. They should enforce this otherwise in 2-3 years time all publishers will have DRM, it´s just a matter of time before they fuck us over as all other companies are doing.

What makes you think Sony can enforce something like that? Specially when it could easily mean making publishers take sides - and not with Sony.

 

[lostones]

I don't get why people think publishers allowing one console having no DRM is such a pipe dream. The PS3 was the only console with no region locking leaving it to publishers and in the end how many games actually had region locking? Just one.

Chances are no one will want to step forward and take all the flack of being the first anti-used game on the PS4. Cold war up in this bitch.

Region locking =/= DRM , a better equivalent would be online passes. Publishers will use whatever trend makes them money

 

[Stone Ocean]

Region locking =/= DRM , a better equivalent would be online passes. Publishers will use whatever trend makes them money

Region locking is also money related.

 

[robertsan21]

What makes you think Sony can enforce something like that? Specially when it could easily mean making publishers take sides - and not with Sony.

if Sony are afraid of loosing partners over this then they dont have any type of backbone and trust in their game console. I would say that if they enforced it and stood by the fans of gaming they would sell more consoles than Xbox this coming gen. Let MS dig their own grave, it´s obvious that the gaming community wants to be able to OWN their own game and to do what they want with it.

 

[Senor Kami]

That's nice. I think about my PS3 without the web and its a system I would have sold years ago our never have purchased. I loved my 360 but internet functionality of the PS3 made be pretty much abandon it.

 

[Jack_AG]

Sorry OP

"
More relief... At a roundtable this morning, Sony's game studios chief, Shuhei Yoshida, told reporters that any requirement for users to register a game online in order to play it would be left to game publishers. Sony won't require that."


To me that is unacceptable.

The PS4 is Sony's, if they want my money it is THEIR RESPONSIBILITY to keep bullshit like that off of their system. Big publishers aren't going to freeze out the wiiU and the Ps4.

Sony needs to nut up or not see my gaming dollars.

Its the exact same as it is now, champ. So you were boycotting this gen, too?

 

[……forgetit]

Yep, all of GAF had a good chuckle. Lemme know when GAFFERS alone keep a console alive and a companies net income in the black. Because, like always, they're the driving force of the industry.

Honestly everyone I've spoken to in person about it has laughed it off to, I know a lot of guys and girls who play video games, most of them die hard Xbox fans, and so far no one wants it.

 

[Stone Ocean]

if Sony are afraid of loosing partners over this then they dont have any type of backbone and trust in their game console. I would say that if they enforced it and stood by the fans of gaming they would sell more consoles than Xbox this coming gen. Let MS dig their own grave, it´s obvious that the gaming community wants to be able to OWN their own game and to do what they want with it.

The Xbone will most likely sell more unless the general public completely ignores the TV features, regardless of how good the PS4 is.