You'd have to read that as a single transfer, no?
Otherwise I buy game, give it you, who gives it to Bob, who gives it to Sam, etc etc
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You'd have to read that as a single transfer, no?
Otherwise I buy game, give it you, who gives it to Bob, who gives it to Sam, etc etc
Hey, read my first response again as well. All I said is that this stuff is so awful that the games do not matter. My closing statement, "Come on, man" was merely a nod in the direction of common sense. I am happy to see you admit that this is awful news.
By the way, I am also expecting the same from Sony on the used games front. It is the sad reality.
I'm very happy to skip this console. If Sony does the same thing, I'll be happy to skip theirs too. The Wii U, 3DS and older gen consoles can keep me busy for a lifetime. It's pretty obvious from what's been shown so far that gameplay isn't the focus for next generation... just prettier pictures. I can get those on the PC and never need these Sony and Microsoft consoles again.
Good luck to Microsoft with this stuff. They'll need it.
Good luck to Microsoft with this stuff. They'll need it.
I am on the side of ME, the consumer. Other consumers of course will "jump in" without knowing this nonsense, or care. I am firmly on the fence at this point and will not get one if it restricts ME from doing what I have done for years.
Manmademan
Member
I'm unclear whether MS means one member of a family may be playing a given title at once, or one member of a family may access the entire shared library at once. the wording makes it sound like the latter.
if that's the case, then yes this is much worse than physical disc lending as it exists today.
It's probably members that are tied directly to an Xbox Live account. Each member can access the account and share games within the account, but all charges and whatnot are tied directly to that one account. Only one person can be logged into the account at a time, restricting people from sharing a family account on separate boxes in different locations.
Edit: Multiple members from one account could be logged in, but not as primary users. Maybe it verifies the account before you have access to the system?
Alcotholic
Banned
This is pretty much my thought.
That has not been explained at all and also, you can still only functionally share it with one person at a time. I get that you are super excited at the restrictions being placed on sharing games with friends for some mysterious reason but you can at least stop pretending like this is in any better than the existing system.
mightynine
Member
Once again, if anyone thinks two people or 10 will be able to play the same game at the same time on two machines, you're going to be in for a surprise.
Just to clarify, only one family member can be playing a game from your library of games at a time. All 10 can access that library, but only one can be using it.
I agree that the digital sharing of your games library to family members is remarkably pro-consumer. I also think it's important to stress the "only one at a time" part because I think that detail is getting lost on people.
Angelus Errare
Banned
Do you have the other one of him at the PS3 launch (I think it was the PS3 launch). I know he had the same expression.
tinfoilhatman
all of my posts are my avatar
Yea except I'll have access to everyone of MY "family" members and their ENTIRE LIBRARY OF GAMES.
spin gaf spin
I read your response; I never said the games will matter to me; just said that I would think they would have secured some megaton games over Sony IF Sony isn't doing this(which I think they are)
ironcreed said:
I do as well; one thing I will say about MS; they have come out after their announcement and given me what I wanted; concrete info. I am now 3 months in and still nothing from Sony.
Manmademan
Member
I can see the primary and one family member able to access a title at a given time (ps3 works this way now) but not all 10.
Cheesemeister
Member
No, sorry.
You need to think about the implications of that for 1 second.
Then realise that will never happen in a million years and you were stupid to think it would.
Are you seriously thinking you can buy one copy of COD and just be able to share it with 10 of your mates?
Uh, my family and friends have access to my entire library now and, as surprising as this may be to many, I have more than 10.
AzraelKans
Banned
Uhm...
I really dont know how to break this to you guys, but you do realize sony Invented the system for the Blu ray used games block? is their patent is their blu ray player.
http://www.neowin.net/news/sony-files-patent-to-block-the-use-of-used-games
Is only a matter of time before sony announces you cant play used games in their systems either, they were only smart enough to let MS take the hit first.
I mean, why do you think EA decided to drop their online pass? and stop making games for Wii-U (which doesnt have the DRM)
http://www.losultrageeks.com/2013/01/sony-patenta-sistema-para-evitar-el-uso-de-juegos-usados/
Bornstellar
Member
TBF, what other digital system lets you share games at all?
There are delusional people who truly believe that Sony is going to rage against the machine; it is crazy.
True enough
Yes, and Microsoft has handled it all so well. This is shit for all of us, any way you slice it or dice it. Games are irrelevant to me.
Have you seen the StarCraft II announcement this week?
Manmademan
Member
ps3 and vita both do.
Well, you won't be able to play it at the same time. Though the 10 of you might be able to play it one at a time, at least that's what it sounds like, and if true this is pretty good.
Uhm...
I really dont know how to break this to you guys, but you do realize sony Invented the system for the Blu ray used games block? is their patent is their blu ray player.
http://www.neowin.net/news/sony-files-patent-to-block-the-use-of-used-games
Is only a matter of time before sony announces you cant play used games in their systems either, they were only smart enough to let MS take the hit first.
I mean, why do you think EA decided to drop their online pass? and stop making games for Wii-U (which doesnt have the DRM)
Sony saw what happened when they removed OtherOs.
Big companies patent hundreds of thousands of unused ideas every year by the way. Hope I broke that to you ok.
Current Gen Sony?
I hope Microsoft realizes that taking this approach is just begging for people to mod the system to bypass the restrictions which using their logic leads to piracy. This is why I will never understand why anyone that thinks taking these anti consumer approaches will actually help them?
tinfoilhatman
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http://www.newsday.com/business/microsoft-says-used-games-will-work-on-xbox-one-1.5429058
According to this "video games discs users buy will not be limited to one Xbox One device, and players can share or trade in the games they have bought for other used games, just as they have been able to do in the past."
The XBone will need to be connected online at least once every 24 hours to work
You will be able to watch live TV and Blu-ray and DVD movies on the Xbone without an Internet connection.
I still wont get a Xbone at launch. MS annoys me.
Thought I would share this info...
According to this "video games discs users buy will not be limited to one Xbox One device, and players can share or trade in the games they have bought for other used games, just as they have been able to do in the past."
The XBone will need to be connected online at least once every 24 hours to work
You will be able to watch live TV and Blu-ray and DVD movies on the Xbone without an Internet connection.
I still wont get a Xbone at launch. MS annoys me.
Thought I would share this info...
And a significant step backwards from where we are now.
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Deleted member 752119
Unconfirmed Member
Uhm...
I really dont know how to break this to you guys, but you do realize sony Invented the system for the Blu ray used games block? is their patent is their blu ray player.
http://www.neowin.net/news/sony-files-patent-to-block-the-use-of-used-games
Is only a matter of time before sony announces you cant play used games in their systems either, they were only smart enough to let MS take the hit first.
I mean, why do you think EA decided to drop their online pass? and stop making games for Wii-U (which doesnt have the DRM)
Yep.
All indications are that Sony will have something similar in place. Maybe just disc based DRM rather than net based with daily check ins etc. But there will pretty much definitely be used game restriction options available for publishers to use if they want.
Like you say, EA wouldn't have dropped online passes and stopped making Wii U games if they didn't know they'd be able to limit online sales on both the Xbone and PS4.
Father_Brain
Banned
I would assume the latter, and that anyone who gets the disc subsequently will be prompted to pay for however much a new license costs.
They have handled it, at least. Saying games are irrelevant is not somewhere I am willing to go just yet.
Uno Venova
Banned
I always thought you were waiting for more clarification on sony but you do seem to have your mind made up.
RepairmanJack
Member
You keep quoting family like you can define it how you want. You are crazy if you think there won't be ridiculous restrictions to this. I'm guessing same ip, same starting xbox, any other implementation they can throw on. I don't see why it will be any different than the xbox live family account. They won't pit in place a ton of restriction on the console and then let you circumvent the whole thing by adding a friend to a list. But you can keep hoping.
How is this a step backwards? Can you elaborate?
I have no faith but yes, I am still waiting. My mind isn't made up at all.
How many times can I share a copy of Skyrim? More or less than 10?
amstradcpc
Member
Did a kid write that PR statement?. A console designed with a more advanced AI that adapts to your game style?.Just receive a Microsoft email.
made by gamers for gamers
Agreed. For all the hate they've been getting. You have to give them props for releasing the info when many thought they were gonna stay quiet about it for months.
Uno Venova
Banned
You do think people who believe sony aren't going to have this drm is delusional though?
The same disc that can be given to anyone to use?
Keep cheerleading dude, that's people on the net expected to eat shit and you need to tell them it tastes good.
RepairmanJack
Member
It's not explained on purpose. They used vague terms in hope that it would perceived as a good thing. Apparently to some it actually has worked.
Manmademan
Member
it's possible. again Sony has worked this way for years and the limit used to be 5 accounts.
it's really unlikely all 10 accounts will have simultaneous access, as developers pressured Sony to lower their limit from 5 to 2
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