I do, yes. It doesn't make sense to me for Sony to not implement something very similar to satisfy the publishers that MS is catering towards. What do you think?
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I do, yes. It doesn't make sense to me for Sony to not implement something very similar to satisfy the publishers that MS is catering towards. What do you think?
If they do they deserve all they get.
The console works completely offline though, so they'll need some wizard jizz.
Knux-Future
Banned
Uhm...
I really dont know how to break this to you guys, but you do realize sony Invented the system for the Blu ray used games block? is their patent is their blu ray player.
http://www.neowin.net/news/sony-files-patent-to-block-the-use-of-used-games
Is only a matter of time before sony announces you cant play used games in their systems either, they were only smart enough to let MS take the hit first.
I mean, why do you think EA decided to drop their online pass? and stop making games for Wii-U (which doesnt have the DRM)
http://www.losultrageeks.com/2013/01/sony-patenta-sistema-para-evitar-el-uso-de-juegos-usados/
Already confirmed that that tech won't be used, IIRC.
and secondly, EA dropping their passes could mean absolutely nothing and regardless, I don;'t get this mentality that Sony will just blindly follow MS no matter what. They haven't exactly done that with online play (if Based Kagari is correct of course) and their system isn't always on. So the idea that they will just follow because is silly to me.
they might of course but idk.
There will be DRM on the ps4..make no bones about it but it's just up to Sony how shitty. If it's PS3 shitty then fine. It probably will be a bit worse but as long as it doesn't require authetication constantly and can somehow be sold still..then I'll deal.
doesn't make it right of course
I'm not gonna lie, if this is actually 100% true, and not make believe or billions strings attached BS then it's a game changer for me. Takes Xbone from snap pass to snap buy.
Would you ellaborate these "indicators" please.
Besides, EA is still developing for the Wii U
Ha, Ha. They handled it alright... like the Three Stooges. If their games are enough for you to overlook all of this, then more power to you, bud.
Metalmurphy
Member
Uhm...
I really dont know how to break this to you guys, but you do realize sony Invented the system for the Blu ray used games block? is their patent is their blu ray player.
http://www.neowin.net/news/sony-files-patent-to-block-the-use-of-used-games
Is only a matter of time before sony announces you cant play used games in their systems either, they were only smart enough to let MS take the hit first.
I mean, why do you think EA decided to drop their online pass? and stop making games for Wii-U (which doesnt have the DRM)
http://www.losultrageeks.com/2013/01/sony-patenta-sistema-para-evitar-el-uso-de-juegos-usados/
Patents are kinda meaningless, they've already stated they won't be doing them on their own games, it's up to other publishers if they want to do it.
Look, this is what gamers want. They want to spend their money on games and not share them with their friends. Our market research has shown that gamers are an unsociable group and do not participate in activities that involve interaction with other gamers, with the exception of our yearly priced subscription online gaming model Xbox Live Gold.
We have also noticed that "gamer" is a very loose term. Gamers in reality do not want to play games but rather watch tv, Skype and play Blu ray DVDs on their consoles. Consoles are merely a status symbol that gamers use to fit in with their respected groups.
We really just made a system for people to buy so that advertisers will give us money to market their product. This plan actually fits our "Microsoft Money Model" or Triple M for short, quite well in which we do not really offer a product but we just market it on the laurels of our past and hope people buy it.
We have also noticed that "gamer" is a very loose term. Gamers in reality do not want to play games but rather watch tv, Skype and play Blu ray DVDs on their consoles. Consoles are merely a status symbol that gamers use to fit in with their respected groups.
We really just made a system for people to buy so that advertisers will give us money to market their product. This plan actually fits our "Microsoft Money Model" or Triple M for short, quite well in which we do not really offer a product but we just market it on the laurels of our past and hope people buy it.
Uno Venova
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That Microsoft isn't catering to publishers needs only, they were planning on implementing this on their own first. And Sony doesn't need to do every drm restriction ms does and nothing points to that.
Manmademan
Member
again, there are no disc based games for the xbox one. everything is installed to the drive and there is no distinction for the console between a game bought as a disc and one downloaded from live.
This is NOT how disc based games work now, so trying to compare the two is pointless.
Caayn
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The stupidity in that picture made me laugh, but I ended up weeping tears.Just receive a Microsoft email.
made by gamers for gamers
tinfoilhatman
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Sigh.....do you have more information to share with us that's more definitive?
Here's the direct quote, what part of any xbox anywhere is so difficult to understand?
Give your family access to your entire games library anytime, anywhere: Xbox One will enable new forms of access for families. Up to ten members of your family can log in and play from your shared games library on any Xbox One. Just like today, a family member can play your copy of Forza Motorsport at a friend’s house. Only now, they will see not just Forza, but all of your shared games. You can always play your games, and any one of your family members can be playing from your shared library at a given time.
Jesus, what do you think is going to happen?
I don't understand at all...
Everyone agrees we are in a transitional phase from retail to digital download. Instead of putting up restrictions on retail, incentivize digital downloads. Give people a reason to buy digital. Leave used games and DRM alone for the next five years and let the market play out. When people put up restrictions people push back. When you give them incentives them come out and play. These companies are going about this all wrong simply to get an extra buck.
Everyone agrees we are in a transitional phase from retail to digital download. Instead of putting up restrictions on retail, incentivize digital downloads. Give people a reason to buy digital. Leave used games and DRM alone for the next five years and let the market play out. When people put up restrictions people push back. When you give them incentives them come out and play. These companies are going about this all wrong simply to get an extra buck.
Manmademan
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agree completely. are used CD sales even significant anymore? price digital fairly and without drm and people will move to it.
Hook, line and sinker.
Want to borrow a straw, you appear to be losing grasp of yours?
They did bumble and stumble for sure but we have something official.
ironcreed said:
We shall see.
RepairmanJack
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That the thing, there is no reason to think this wouldn't have a ton restrictions. Why would they implement all these system wide hoops to jump through just to let you circumvent the whole system by linking you and your friends accounts together? That would just be stupid.
Most likely it's just a way to you the people in your household to not have to buy multiple copies of the same game. Dad buys a game son can play it upstairs. Or can play it at a friends. Sure it's a good thing, but people thinking they can get a group of 10 people going to only buy one game is share is being naive.
tinfoilhatman
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Give me 10$ off the digital copy and I'm good, I hate physical media in every way shape or form.
Plinko
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Here's my problem with believing it will be instant, any time access:
3rd parties and MS want DRM and no used games. Used games may cost a publisher 1 or 2 sales on average, no?
Now you think the same people who pushed for these restrictions will now replace it with a system that will cost them NINE sales.
Does that make any sense?
Sony will probably have used game DRM for the publishers as they have said all along. They would risk no support from the big boys if they didn't. I do believe some publishers ie CDPR wouldn't enforce it, and it gives the choice to the consumer as to what to avoid. It won't be baked in at a system level like Microsoft
I'm more glad Sony won't have the 24 hour check in system which is completely unnecessary
I'm more glad Sony won't have the 24 hour check in system which is completely unnecessary
Exactly. I am sure its done via IP address or something to block friends from doing this. If Microsoft is being so anti consumer on everything else why would the publishers and Microsoft agree to this?
I don't know that and neither do you. The bolded is my issue; we know nothing because they haven't said any definitive for months now. Don't you want something like MS did today?
tinfoilhatman
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Give your family access to your entire games library anytime, anywhere: Xbox One will enable new forms of access for families. Up to ten members of your family can log in and play from your shared games library on any Xbox One. Just like today, a family member can play your copy of Forza Motorsport at a friends house. Only now, they will see not just Forza, but all of your shared games. You can always play your games, and any one of your family members can be playing from your shared library at a given time.
AzraelKans
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Hum .... I really dont know what you mean there, so Im just going to nod my head politely.
Hum.. so is just a BIG coincidence that MS now has a system to identify used games on their console and is a using a blu ray player?
Look, dont get me wrong, I really hope Im mistaken and sony is not playing the same card on us. Hell I would definetily get a PS4 if that is so. (would anyway because it doesnt have face recognition login)
But to be honest theres evidence suggesting otherwise. I mean look:
http://www.ign.com/wikis/xbox-one/PS4_vs._Xbox_One_vs._Wii_U_Comparison_Chart
You can clearly see in the comparison chart that the details on DRM are still marked as TBA if they are already resolved on not using it why they havent announced it yet? It would be a huge blow to MS if they did.
And lets leave it like that. Im open to being proved wrong to be honest.
shinra-bansho
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In related news:
GameStop shares are up $2.50/7%.
GameStop shares are up $2.50/7%.
maabus1999
Member
Eh?
RepairmanJack
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Why would they specifically say family and not label it family and friends? Why would they allow you to share games to anyone you want this way but then not let you give a game to someone unless they were your friend and then they can't give it back? You're ignoring all the other details to make this look like the best possible outcome. They use words very carefully, until they define what they mean by family and what designates shared games there is no reason to think this is some loophole to get past all their other stupid requirements.
tinfoilhatman
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I agree it sounds dubious but I go on what is being send not gaf anti-Microsoft speculation which seems to be what passes as "facts" around here.
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EA dropping online passes.
Sony not coming out and saying no DRM on our console to take advantage of this.
Sony saying DRM would be up to publishers just like it is on PS3 digital games currently (i.e. Capcom PSN games and some others couldn't be played during that PSN outage as they had always online DRM).
I just can't see MS having this used game restriction system in place that the big publishers clear want, and Sony not at least giving the publishers the option of using if for their games if they want. They can't risk games like Madden, CoD etc. not coming to the PS4 because the publishers want the ability to restrict used sales and MS offering that and Sony not.
Uno Venova
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Of course I don't know, MS doing it on their own has been what insiders here suggested.
Nothing about leaks from credible sites point to that specifically, neither has gaf insiders. I don't think I need something like MS did today because I doubt there will be something that complicated that needs a press release to explain.
Well they managed to eliminate a huge part of their market by getting Microsoft to only alllow "approved" resellers. This is an incredible victory for GameStop.
maabus1999
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OtherOS
Also, Sony as a WHOLE COMPANY, has a history of being DRM happy...does everyone forget the scandal with CD's uploading spyware?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal
I mean that was some HARDCORE DRM and actually illegal in many places.
Here's what is going to happen with the shared family stuff, because its common sense looking at how similar systems work currently:
You buy a game.
You want to share game.
You have to make sure who you want to share to is on your list and matches MS's preset criteria. You can have 10 people who MS deem to be "family" on this list.
You have to add the game to your shared library, the game will now only launch from that library.
To access your shared library you will have to be connected to the net at all the times you are running stuff from it.
If someone is accessing a game from your shared library it will be unavailable to you but all your other shared games which aren't been accessed will be.
This apparently is awesome when compared to.
JUST GIVING SOMEONE A DISC.
There is no way Activision will allow 10 people to use the same copy of COD simultaneously and those that think there is any glimmer of hope of that happening need to have a lie down in a darkened room and have a word with themselves.
You buy a game.
You want to share game.
You have to make sure who you want to share to is on your list and matches MS's preset criteria. You can have 10 people who MS deem to be "family" on this list.
You have to add the game to your shared library, the game will now only launch from that library.
To access your shared library you will have to be connected to the net at all the times you are running stuff from it.
If someone is accessing a game from your shared library it will be unavailable to you but all your other shared games which aren't been accessed will be.
This apparently is awesome when compared to.
JUST GIVING SOMEONE A DISC.
There is no way Activision will allow 10 people to use the same copy of COD simultaneously and those that think there is any glimmer of hope of that happening need to have a lie down in a darkened room and have a word with themselves.
tinfoilhatman
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You will most likely have a "Friends" list and a "Family" list , it has nothing to do with geographical location.
What announced "details" am I ignoring , the family sharing and one time game transfer are completely different things.
Seriously has anyone here actually read the details of this or are we just kinda making things up based on predisposed beliefs?
Krusenstern
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From where do people get the implication that big publishers would just skip the PS4 market if Sony doesn't let them implement DRM? If PS4 makes up like half of the console market, wouldn't that be a massive revenue loss for them to not release their games on that console?
I don't get it; you are content without a full press release detailing Sony's plans? Fuck that, I want to know what they are up to and they have been quiet for way too long now.
Mr_Antimatter
Member
That's nice. Now point out the DRM SCEA has used in the past.
Knux-Future
Banned
Of course we do.
But Sony never was rumored to do this. Microsoft was. Sony doesn't require online connection and has said as much from jump. Microsoft was vauge and gave us random answers. Sony just generally had more positive press and rumors and thus gained the benefit of the doubt. Microsoft snowballs down the hill with every reveal..I don't remember the last positive reveal for the thing lately.
That in a nutshell is why they have gotten more shit.
Hell today when the outdated rumors of sony simply doing a pay to play thing, this board lit the fuck up. So please stop it with the "this board is sticking up for Sony" stuff, it's not true. They are "sticking up" for them because they haven't fucked them (yet)...Microsoft has given gamers the bird at every turn. If Sony does anything fucked up...they will get it too. Sure you will have the fanboys justifying it but believe me many won't be happy if they do something as bad or worse than MS.
RepairmanJack
Member
Pleas, post this more I'm sure it will suddenly become clearer...
Uno Venova
Banned
I said they don't need to say anything at all? What? Answers in interviews will be enough for me.
shinra-bansho
Member
Why exactly are people still trying to deflect this onto the PS4?
Does it suddenly make everything peachy-fucking-keen if Sony impose draconian restrictions too?
Does it suddenly make everything peachy-fucking-keen if Sony impose draconian restrictions too?
GoofsterStud
Member
Nobody honestly thinks that. First like the PS3 developers could add DRM to games if they want. Since those games bomb they don't do it. Since if there is problem it's the developers responsibility, they don't want anything to deal with it. If it's a big enough deal they'll do it. History repeats itself.
Exactly. Sony learned a hard lesson. Class action lawsuits got a lot of glory. Sony had to pay up a lot of money. They aren't ready to deal with that again.
Some people learn from being slapped.
Manmademan
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yes it is. Microsoft is using blu ray because games are simply too large for DVD at this point. it's inevitable. Sonys patent (which Microsoft couldn't use anyway without paying Sony) is RF based and has been clarified by Sony to have nothing to do with the ps4. this is an old issue
it's also possible the online pass simply wasn't making EA enough money to bother with- or even losing revenue since blocking used gamers from playing online means they don't buy DLC either. We'll never know unless they come out and say why, which will never happen.
I honestly think people are taking this "family" thing too literally. I almost GUARANTEE you that this was added because of people saying "what if I have 2 consoles in the house and I want to play the game on both?"
There is no way they are going to allow you to just share games with 10 people of your choosing. Keep dreaming. It is going to be limited in some way to ensure people are actually "family" and you wont be able to play the games at the same time. As others have said, this is purposely vague PR speak that is lightening the blow a little.
There is no way they are going to allow you to just share games with 10 people of your choosing. Keep dreaming. It is going to be limited in some way to ensure people are actually "family" and you wont be able to play the games at the same time. As others have said, this is purposely vague PR speak that is lightening the blow a little.
MS has answered what was needed today; Sony has vague, conflicting statements right after the February reveal and nothing since.
Knux-Future said:
I didn't say that; my point is that Sony needs to show their hand now; they should be forced to.
Family I think is just legal language that satisfies the publishers. I think it will be setup similar to amazon prime sharing between a "family". I have no doubt you'll need to associate the accounts but I'd bet it will work for friends who are not really family. How can they tell?
Microsoft will take a "good faith" approach to "family" and therefore it's not their fault if someone is lying.
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