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Don Mattrick: "Fortunately" consumers without a connection can buy Xbox 360
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FlashbladeGAF
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OMG francis is so damn funny!
Ollie Pooch
In a perfect world, we'd all be homersexual
Every morning I log on here wondering what hilarious, horrible development has been made in the continuing PR clusterfuck of the Xbone. So entertaining. Still no elaboration on what benefits all this online checking has for the person paying them for this thing.
Again, I'm actually shocked that they're happy to completely shed the millions of 360 customers who don't have reliable internet (or internet at all) going into next gen. It's like they hit the reset button.
Dead @ Ron Paul photoshop.
Again, I'm actually shocked that they're happy to completely shed the millions of 360 customers who don't have reliable internet (or internet at all) going into next gen. It's like they hit the reset button.
Dead @ Ron Paul photoshop.
Tom Brohanks
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A bunch of old men in suits that probably have never touched a video game in their lives.
theignoramus
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strong 2005/2006 Sony vibes from MS. dat hubris
Tallshortman
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A pie in the sky fantasy football loving, motion control loving, NSA employee demographic their marketing team in conjunction with some analysts came up with.
DukeTogo1300
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What? It'd be silly because Netflix is a streaming service. You can only really compare Netflix to the established examples of cloud power that are the most crucial to game operation. If it truly needs internet access for a feature like the Forza 5 example (something the xbone could not compute by itself), okay, but if it still requires the internet for local content I've already downloaded to my system (and that xbone could execute natively), that is no longer comparable to Netflix. What MS is doing isn't about content delivery or game operation. It requires internet beyond those areas, for DRM reasons, and Netflix has nothing to do with DRM.
If I rent/purchase a game/video from the PSN Store, it goes to my HD first, then I use it. It has a license that causes it to expire after a certain amount of time (or never if purchased), and I do have to be online to transfer it to one of my paired devices, but I still am able to use it offline. If that were to change, and being online would be required to view that content on my HD, that would be a better comparison. Trying to drag Netflix into this to present existing comparison examples doesn't really work.
I don't think anyone minds needing online access to purchase online content, to suggest otherwise would be pretty insulting, but with past examples of cloud gaming features coming off as disingenuous excuses for DRM, you have to expect the sour reception we're seeing regarding going all the way with online systems. In many relevant cases it just isn't necessary for all functionality. It becomes an arbitrary capstone for MS and their vision, and excludes a lot of real customers.
A perfect system doesnt shoehorn everything into one area, it considers all viable markets. The digital/online standards you seem to want are already well established with existing tech. Forcing online-only on the world might make it seem like you are part of a clean standard, one weve been flirting with for years, and now weve finally triumphed, etc, but that is all a farce if you had to abandon a significant chunk of the market to get there.
Yeah, going to have to agree with the sentiment. Very strong PS3 launch era Sony here.
At least in Sony's case, the primary issue (the price) was something that dropped as margins improved, and with hardware revisions.
Unless MS reconsiders their stance, I don't think that it'll make a world of difference. The system will still sell, but its hard not to notice so many 360 owners jumping ship.
I wonder if MS managed to secure some sort of exclusive game deal with a few publishers with its DRM stance, and consequently, would risk losing those deals if they changed policy? I mean, there has to be a reason they went through with it, why they didn't reconsider, and come out at E3 and announce that it was going to have the same DRM and requirements that current-gen consoles have.
At least in Sony's case, the primary issue (the price) was something that dropped as margins improved, and with hardware revisions.
Unless MS reconsiders their stance, I don't think that it'll make a world of difference. The system will still sell, but its hard not to notice so many 360 owners jumping ship.
I wonder if MS managed to secure some sort of exclusive game deal with a few publishers with its DRM stance, and consequently, would risk losing those deals if they changed policy? I mean, there has to be a reason they went through with it, why they didn't reconsider, and come out at E3 and announce that it was going to have the same DRM and requirements that current-gen consoles have.
Lizzie McGuire
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Don Mattrick looks like an elf.
RurouniZel
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Mr. Enigma
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Orth? He technically resigned, he was not fired.
If being too expensive was the only issue facing X1. They would be in good shape.
This really does not compare at all.
Silly.Mikey
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I understand what their "trying" to do, but im just not seeing it. All this Cloud talk, yet nothing really shown that proves what advantage it brings. Only talk. The price is bumped by Kinect, yet no real Kinect integration is shown that makes it worth it and to top it all off its not as powerful, cant trade in, lend games etc... All this goodness for 100$ more! What a sweet deal.
Sato Koiji
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I love how most of you guys act like you are pissed off they do this...but be real with yourself...how often are you connected to the net day by day?
All you guys on GAF are connected anyways and a big fat number play online anyways.
So MS is basically saying they can do without the pure offline gamer.
They will be able to gauge the exact number of XBox One Live accounts and especially the needs of every gamer and push their products even stronger in that direction.
All you guys on GAF are connected anyways and a big fat number play online anyways.
So MS is basically saying they can do without the pure offline gamer.
They will be able to gauge the exact number of XBox One Live accounts and especially the needs of every gamer and push their products even stronger in that direction.
Pound_lb003
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Half of the 360's install base actually.
That's 35 million. That is 5.7% of their 200 million install base aim of this generation.
RustyNails
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Okay so I wanna know how this works.
"I am sorry dear CEO, I have shamed you and stained your company's honor. I submit my resignation in order that you may still love my worthless being"
?? Or was it more like management called him into office, and gave him a choice to either voluntarily resign, or get fired?
Missing the point. It's about your RIGHT and LIMITATION OF CHOICES.
You eat bread daily. It's your choice. What if someone would force you to eat bread daily? It's the same thing you are doing forever, yet it's a vastly different situation. May be a bad analogy, but the point is only very partially about the online connection, it's about something way more fundamentally.
semiconscious
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skyping grannies with $500 to burn
...& at least, in sony's case, i got something i actually wanted (backward compatibility)...
jediyoshi
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Either way, it looks better for both involved if the employee just resigns.
maybe some of us aren't selfish? I live in NY and I have FiOS. I don't have to worry about internet but others aren't as fortunate, and Microsoft is pretty much saying "fuck off, we don't want you anyway"
I can't support a company that openly disrespects customers
hasn't the PS3 surpassed it in sales now as well?
clay_ghost
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holy shit lol if true.
not even windows 8 err?
You're missing the point entirely. They are giving a big middle finger to a good amount of their existing, loyal customers and completely ignoring everyone else who's saying they don't want this shit on their console. It's the sheer arrogance and stupidity that's doing this to them. They're completely out of touch with their consumer base and it's showing.
Love it. MS is all in on their strategy. Now to see if it works out like they plan.
Also really weird to see the most honest, direct, and clear communication out of MS in the past 6 months and GAF hates it. They're not going to change a damn thing. Vote with your wallet, people.
Also really weird to see the most honest, direct, and clear communication out of MS in the past 6 months and GAF hates it. They're not going to change a damn thing. Vote with your wallet, people.
Not surprising, but might be thread worthy. Would be good to know which game he played and if they claim to play it on the console.
This is brought up a lot, but it's not really the point. I don't remember the exact statistic (feel free to correct me on this [it might be half of all owners like Pound said, idk]), but I think it's 30% of all 360 owners never connected to the internet. That's a HUGE number of players. And that's not counting players who only connected a few times for updates or whatever. I can only know how it affects my life, and of the 5 people I know with 360's, including myself, only two were connected at all times.
I do think some posters and people in general are complaining for the sake of complaining, but this is a serious issue, whether it affects the vocal minority on GAF or not. I don't think Earth is ready for an always-online console yet...the internet infrastructure isn't up to snuff yet. Either way, I know they lost one sale -- me.
BlastProcessing
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My Smartphone and my computer, the two most connected devices ever conceived, continue to function when they are not online. Hell, they both even play games offline! Crazy, I know.
What do I get out of a device that requires an online connection that I don't get from a device that can connect as an option? Microsoft has had weeks to express their reasoning and they have completely failed.
la flama blanca
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I deem this thread worthy.
RoninChaos
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LOL this fuckin' guy.
Well, maybe Windows 7 is one of the three operating systems that power the Xbox One.
Sato Koiji
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They may force you to be online but in reality they dont. There isnt a bigger target group that is so present on the net than the gamer. It is ridicolous to argue over consoles with people that decide which console to buy depending on E3 presentations and how cute their trailers looked.
It isnt bad to be adaptive if its for a good entertainment machine at home.
MS tries to prepare their machine for the internet user of the future.
DukeTogo1300
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Reality? Is our little GAF-bubble all you think matters? I see a lot of MS-humping over their grand online vision, like apologists really believe this isn't about the DRM scheme. MS has sacrificed a chunk of their base for this and they know it. You don't think they would've preferred to avoid that?
Insane Metal
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Goddamn LOL.
Thing is, it has virtually no benefit for the customer. You're just giving away your freedom to not log in.
Krappadizzle
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Yeah, spot on. It's a dick-hole thing to say, but, it is straigt-up gangsta.
I think they simply underestimated the backlash - they surely knew that there would be unhappy people. The problem is that they thought this would only be fringe cases like the guy in a submarine...
Wow really? All this argument about who isn't connected 24/7 aside, this is also about internet SPEED. I am a middle class 27 year old male with a full time job that earns enough money. The ONLY internet available to me is something that gives me 300kbps download speeds at MAX. Imagine what this would do to me when I have to download every disc based game I own.
I think they strongly believe they're going to win them back and more once people realize what they're doing. If they really bring amazing games in quantity like they did at E3 every year it's not hard for me to believe it just might work.
They're making a bold bet and standing behind it 100%. It's hard not to give Mattrick respect for it.
Cant believe MS had that video taken down (if they did) thats pretty pathetic.
Also to the people saying they have the always online requirement to make it known quantity for devs thats not true at all. If that was the case the need to be connected wouldn't be every 24 hours, IT would be all ALL the time like Sim City etc.
In terms of online connectivity the Xbone is the exact same as the PS4. Except if you disconnect for more than 24 hours it wont work. The 24 hour thing has nothing to do with games its all about DRM.
Also to the people saying they have the always online requirement to make it known quantity for devs thats not true at all. If that was the case the need to be connected wouldn't be every 24 hours, IT would be all ALL the time like Sim City etc.
In terms of online connectivity the Xbone is the exact same as the PS4. Except if you disconnect for more than 24 hours it wont work. The 24 hour thing has nothing to do with games its all about DRM.
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