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[Trunchisholm]

I just realized that the military stationed abroad won't be able to play Xbone in countries like Korea, Guam, Middle East etc.

MICROSOFT HATES OUR TROOPS

I don't get all the US military mentions in these threads. Personally, I find them laughable. They're numerically insignificant in comparison to the hundreds of millions of potential customers from countries other than the ones targeted for the XB1 that are potentially affected by MS's policy. It's like some people are trying really hard to convey some sort of "who will think of the US soldiers" message. As if there weren't enough problems with MS's stance to focus on such a minor issue.

Anyway, I wouldn't worry about the US troops. MS will probably pay more attention to them than to the general population in minor markets. I'm sure they'll find some workarounds, like they did this gen with region migration.

 

[Siegfried]

I can't believe the kind of crap Microsoft is pushing on us consumers with One. I'm one of the most loyal fans of the X-Box 360, on the last two years I purchased over 100 games for the platform and played countless hours. I couldn't care less about used games, or borrowing, or getting connect all the time. I know this may be a pain for some people, but it's already the way I play now, so it doesn't affect me.

But now Microsoft simply is alienating half of the world, basically saying "buy a PS4, we don't want you with us". I live in Brazil, it's a selected country for the launch, but I couldn't care less about it. My gamertag is on USA's Live, not Brazilian live. Why you ask me? Because Live is a huge mess outside the US. We don't get games on demand releases, we don't get DLCs, Live Arcade Games...

Now, when Microsoft announced an "always on, digital future" I said. Good. I can stop waiting 1 month for my games to ship from China or the USA to Brazil, so I can pay a normal price instead of the bullshit price retailers over here practice. Now they are taking away all the good part about it, and pushing more crap on our asses.

Way to go Microsoft, go ahead. Push yourself out of the market.

 

[Raxus]

they really don´t have a clear answer yet.. I just asked the twitter support because I live in a place that isn´t supported by Xbox Live.. and want to know if I can buy one (i might be necessary if our website is going to review some Xbox One games)

this is really confusing.

Consumers response is pretty straight forward at least. "I'm buying a PS4."

I am sorry you won't be able to review any launch One games though. It is so weird that they would alienate so many people.

I don't get all the US military mentions in these threads. Personally, I find them laughable. They're numerically insignificant in comparison to the hundreds of millions of potential customers from countries other than the ones targeted for the XB1 that are potentially affected by MS's policy. It's like some people are trying really hard to convey some sort of "who will think of the US soldiers" message. As if there weren't enough problems with MS's stance to focus on such a minor issue.

Anyway, I wouldn't worry about the US troops. MS will probably pay more attention to them than to the general population in minor markets. I'm sure they'll find some workarounds, like they did this gen with region migration.

Or instead of jumping through 20 hoops the troops could just get a PS4 instead.

 

[RobbieH]

Consumers response is pretty straight forward at least. "I'm buying a PS4."

I am sorry you won't be able to review any launch One games though. It is so weird that they would alienate so many people.


Or instead of jumping through 20 hoops the troops could just get a PS4 instead.

There's an Amazon Versus, PS4 vs. Xbox One, on Facebook at the moment. Votes:

PS4 - 16,856.
Xbox One - 960.

Edit: In the 10 minutes since I posted this PS4 has 100 more votes. Xbox One has 3.

 

[baunsgaard]

Probably been said before but:

"Xbox One games are for activation and distribution only in specified geographic regions. See game package and/or retailer product information, for each game’s specific geographic regions."

 

[freenudemacusers]

What a mess. Either this is a huge gulf in communication/understanding or it really is this bad. If ms doesn't clear it up soon, it might as well be bad. Just imagine every person being told no or not sure on twitter telling their friends about this convoluted nightmare.

 

[Forkball]

I don't get all the US military mentions in these threads. Personally, I find them laughable. They're numerically insignificant in comparison to the hundreds of millions of potential customers from countries other than the ones targeted for the XB1 that are potentially affected by MS's policy. It's like some people are trying really hard to convey some sort of "who will think of the US soldiers" message. As if there weren't enough problems with MS's stance to focus on such a minor issue.

Anyway, I wouldn't worry about the US troops. MS will probably pay more attention to them than to the general population in minor markets. I'm sure they'll find some workarounds, like they did this gen with region migration.

Well I was joking, but international travel is a common part of many people's lives. It's just kind of ridiculous that an electronic device would simply stop being functional if you cross borders.

 

[JCG]

A little late, but...

This is the most amazing ongoing trainwreck I've ever seen in console gaming. Every day it just keeps on wrecking. It's like watching Code Geass.

The difference is I can actually watch that show and get a fair amount of genuine enjoyment out of it.

This sounds like it'll just be a pain in the ass for me to get an Xbox One without running into several annoyances, period, for an increasing number of reasons. So I won't.

 

[Jotaka]

The difference is I can actually watch that show and get a fair amount of genuine enjoyment out of it..

I cant deny that I have a Schadenfreude pleasure for this horror show too

 

[jorma]

Indeed.

But there's nothing about that being okay for personal use that means they're not allowed to put technical barriers in your way to prevent it from happening. They just can't sue you for trying.

I agree in the sense that i don't think we know either way for sure yet.
But we do know that it very much goes against the vision of a single EU market, and if they can stop MS from blocking EU citizens from using an EU console based on nationality, they probably will..

 

[RobbieH]

Finally being reported somewhere: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...d-at-xbox-one-launch-importing-near-ruled-out

 

[Majmun]

^^^^

My colleagues always read Eurogamer at work. They came across that article and started to talk about it. They clicked on the neogaf link and saw OP's avatar and name and started to laugh.

I didn't tell them that it was me LOL. Such an awkward moment.

 

[freenudemacusers]

Well hopefully they don't read that post.

 

[UrbanRats]

Simple-try ask them again and see will we get same answer like chat supporters

It's like are they high or something,some answers really are wtf level


http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=63222436&postcount=1378
(Maybe)Don't worry about HK,though

I just chat with Xbox support,seems they very confident about the region thing unlike twitter support

So you CAN import.

They should just close the Xbox Support Twitter account, that thing is a disaster.

 

[crazygambit]

Probably been said before but:

"Xbox One games are for activation and distribution only in specified geographic regions. See game package and/or retailer product information, for each game’s specific geographic regions."

What's the source of that quote? If it's an exec then OMG. If it's just customer support then, eh, we need to keep waiting. Though the fact that this is not perfectly clear is just unbelievable.

 

[RobbieH]

What's the source of that quote? If it's an exec then OMG. If it's just customer support then, eh, we need to keep waiting. Though the fact that this is not perfectly clear is just unbelievable.

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/pre-order-xbox-one/disclaimer

 

[crazygambit]

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/pre-order-xbox-one/disclaimer

Holy fuck. It's official then?

 

[QuicheFontaine]

Indeed.

But there's nothing about that being okay for personal use that means they're not allowed to put technical barriers in your way to prevent it from happening. They just can't sue you for trying.

Ok, I guess that wasn't the best example. But I was just trying to show that the CJEU values the integrity of the common market over pretty much everything else. Companies that try to divvy up markets in Europe tend to come unstuck, no?

 

[Maximilian Kolbe]

Holy fuck. It's official then?

From what i know the worst case is you need change your account region to supported country,especially after i asked this guy
http://support.xbox.com/en-US/billing-and-subscriptions/account-management/change-region

 

[TunaLover]

Xbox go bone

 

[crazygambit]

From what i know the worst case is you need change your account region to supported country,especially i asked this guy
http://support.xbox.com/en-US/billing-and-subscriptions/account-management/change-region

Yes, but if you change your account then the games you bought before the change would stop working? Since they're now from a different region and we know the Xbone is region locked. Now that seems downright evil.

 

[Maximilian Kolbe]

Yes, but if you change your account then the games you bought before the change would stop working? Since they're now from a different region and we know the Xbone is region locked. Now that seems downright evil.

The region lock thing i think still by the console
For 360,you can...nah,you need still play the game from the right region(NTSC/NTSCJ/PAL) unless it's region free

For Xbox One i would say still same,and i mean let's say you import the console from UK,normally you also import games from UK,right?

Of course if later high position MS guy say "yeah we're going to block your ip" then you can throw my reply and Xbox chat supporter records to trash can(not sure why they will do that though,i mean,the DRM thing make it almost no chance to pirate)

 

[Neko Mimi Mode]

The region lock thing i think still by the console
For 360,you can...nah,you need still play the game from the right region(NTSC/NTSCJ/PAL) unless it's region free

For Xbox One i would say still same,and i mean let's say you import the console from UK,normally you also import games from UK,right?

Of course if later high position MS guy say "yeah we're going to block your ip" then you can throw my reply and Xbox chat supporter records to trash can(not sure why they will do that though,i mean,the DRM thing make it almost no chance to pirate)

Just to add, I've already asked about this to Xbox Support on phone. Specifically, if I buy an Xbox One from US, games from US, account with region US, will it play in HK with full features (online etc) and the answer was a resounding yes.

Microsoft has never formally endorsed gray importing, however nothing has changed in policy on this issue from the Xbox 360.

 

[crazygambit]

The region lock thing i think still by the console
For 360,you can...nah,you need still play the game from the right region(NTSC/NTSCJ/PAL) unless it's region free

For Xbox One i would say still same,and i mean let's say you import the console from UK,normally you also import games from UK,right?

Of course if later high position MS guy say "yeah we're going to block your ip" then you can throw my reply and Xbox chat supporter records to trash can(not sure why they will do that though,i mean,the DRM thing make it almost no chance to pirate)

Well obviously that's the part that's unclear. The reasoning would be the same as region locking, to crack down on the grey importer market.

"Xbox One games are for activation and distribution only in specified geographic regions. See game package and/or retailer product information, for each game’s specific geographic regions."

The activation part in the quote points to the region lock also applying to the 24 hour activation ping games need to work. Even if it's just the first time and you can then travel with your console, it would completely kill importing from unsupported countries (like mine). Unless you pay for a VPN of course.

 

[Siegfried]

Just to add, I've already asked about this to Xbox Support on phone. Specifically, if I buy an Xbox One from US, games from US, account with region US, will it play in HK with full features (online etc) and the answer was a resounding yes.

Microsoft has never formally endorsed gray importing, however nothing has changed in policy on this issue from the Xbox 360.

That is exactly what I expect and want to hear! And also, I'm hoping for no more IP checking when buying things from the marketplace. If I'm registered with an US account, I wanna be able to purchase whatever I want even if I'm at China at the moment.

 

[Neko Mimi Mode]

Well obviously that's the part that's unclear. The reasoning would be the same as region locking, to crack down on the grey importer market.



The activation part in the quote points to the region lock also applying to the 24 hour activation ping games need to work. Even if it's just the first time and you can then travel with your console, it would completely kill importing from unsupported countries (like mine). Unless you pay for a VPN of course.

Of course they have to put that the games only for distribution and activation in specified regions, but that doesn't mean they are actively blocking it. They had the same requirements and fine print for the 360.

Microsoft has no interest in cracking down on gray importing. For some regions, take Israel for example, it so widespread that they didn't bother launching the 360 there formally until November 2012!

I have been assured that US console imported from the US with US games etc will play in HK and there will be no block IP.

In the future I can only see Microsoft loosening policies, not tighten them, so I don't think you need worry.

 

[Maximilian Kolbe]

Well obviously that's the part that's unclear. The reasoning would be the same as region locking, to crack down on the grey importer market.



The activation part in the quote points to the region lock also applying to the 24 hour activation ping games need to work. Even if it's just the first time and you can then travel with your console, it would completely kill importing from unsupported countries (like mine). Unless you pay for a VPN of course.

Yes but since 4 different person asked Xbox support 4 times,and all said "you will be fine" or "same as 360 Live",i would say it just common disclaimers

Of course they have to put that the games only for distribution and activation in specified regions, but that doesn't mean they are actively blocking it. They had the same requirements and fine print for the 360.

Microsoft has no interest in cracking down on gray importing. For some regions, take Israel for example, it so widespread that they didn't bother launching the 360 there formally until November 2012!

I have been assured that US console imported from the US with US games etc will play in HK and there will be no block IP.

In the future I can only see Microsoft loosening policies, not tighten them, so I don't think you need worry.

Damn yes,saw a similar word in 360 game back cover

 

[Neko Mimi Mode]

Damn yes,saw a similar word in 360 game back cover

Yep, it's their standard policy. The Twitter Support guy is afraid to be seen to formally endorse it as Microsoft does not do this as policy, however, they do allow it to happen and are quite content for it to be that way.

In fact, not only is it on the fine print of the 360 games and the manuals (and the Xbox 360 user manual), it's been on their Xbox LIVE policies from the beginning also;

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/live/countries

"Below is the list of countries/regions where the LIVE service is supported. Game features that require the LIVE service are only available in these countries/regions. If your country/region is not on the list, please check back with us soon—we expand our services frequently and may be coming to your country/region in the near future."

As you can see, the Twitter support dude basically copied the above verbatim, but it does not mean Xbox One will IP block to avoid gray imports, in fact on the contrary it adds weight to the Xbox Support centre's insistence they will not.

 

[Lokbob]

"Xbox One games are for activation and distribution only in specified geographic regions. See game package and/or retailer product information, for each game’s specific geographic regions."

So i can't import UK games and play them on my german console? 90% of my games are from the UK and tons of german people buy in UK.

And they even might block creating an UK account in the first place, which I need to activate the game (and pay for a second live account?)... The hut group won't be happy.

Thats pretty big.

 

[Maximilian Kolbe]

"Xbox One games are for activation and distribution only in specified geographic regions. See game package and/or retailer product information, for each game’s specific geographic regions."

So i can't import UK games and play them on my german console? 90% of my games are from the UK and tons of german people buy in UK.

And they even might block creating an UK account in the first place, which I need to activate the game (and pay for a second live account?)... The hut group won't be happy.

Thats pretty big.

Look up fella

 

[bidguy]

"Xbox One games are for activation and distribution only in specified geographic regions. See game package and/or retailer product information, for each game’s specific geographic regions."

So i can't import UK games and play them on my german console? 90% of my games are from the UK and tons of german people buy in UK.

And they even might block creating an UK account in the first place, which I need to activate the game (and pay for a second live account?)... The hut group won't be happy.

Thats pretty big.

nope, they wont do that. there are 3 regions and it will stay that way. PAL, NTSCJ and the states i think.

wir sind sicher

 

[freenudemacusers]

so have we determined what reality is yet?

 

[marc^o^]

This is the most amazing ongoing trainwreck I've ever seen in console gaming. Every day it just keeps on wrecking. It's like watching Code Geass.

This really is memerizing. I just don't understand what's going on in their head. Why?

 

[j0hnny_385]

so have we determined what reality is yet?

From what I'm reading, my bet is that it will implement some form of IP-based checking in order to authenticate the game. At the least. :/
I'm expecting the worst so...

 

[Akai__]

nope, they wont do that. there are 3 regions and it will stay that way. PAL, NTSCJ and the states i think.

wir sind sicher

Also, now that the games are on Blu Ray discs, I would assume, that there is more than one language on the disc. I really hope so, because sometimes the german localizations are bad. Only a coupple games have a decent localization/synchro.

 

[Maximilian Kolbe]

Also, now that the games are on Blu Ray discs, I would assume, that there is more than one language on the disc. I really hope so, because sometimes the german localizations are bad. Only a coupple games have a decent localization/synchro.

Acutally many MS first party games already come with more than one language,or you mean voice?then yes hope that would be the case,i remember very view games have more than one voice language,like Alan Wake

 

[Neko Mimi Mode]

From what I'm reading, my bet is that it will implement some form of IP-based checking in order to authenticate the game. At the least. :/
I'm expecting the worst so...

Nope, read the page you're posting on.

That goes for everyone too.

 

[Majmun]

Check this out, and remember, if you travel, don't forget to pack you X360:

This is the funniest and at the same time the saddest thing ever.

IP lock basically confirmed then...

 

[cpp_is_king]

I like how they're refusing to answer the question. They keep saying stuff like "You'll want to play from a supported region" or "You'll be able to play when you return home". They are actively refusing to give a straight answer with regards to WILL THE MOTHERFUCKER WORK IN AN UNSUPPORTED REGION

They keep getting frustrated that people are having trouble understanding all this complicated DRM shit, well it's because they won't give straight answers about anything

 

[Maximilian Kolbe]

I like how they're refusing to answer the question. They keep saying stuff like "You'll want to play from a supported region" or "You'll be able to play when you return home". They are actively refusing to give a straight answer with regards to WILL THE MOTHERFUCKER WORK IN AN UNSUPPORTED REGION

They keep getting frustrated that people are having trouble understanding all this complicated DRM shit, well it's because they won't give straight answers about anything

Actually if you read this page you will found out they just answered

 

[MercuryLS]

Did anyone stop to ask them why they're doing this type of thing? I mean really, no bullshit, what's the reason for this DRM lockdown?

 

[cpp_is_king]

Actually if you read this page you will found out they just answered

Closest thing I found was this:

"Xbox One games are for activation and distribution only in specified geographic regions. See game package and/or retailer product information, for each game’s specific geographic regions."

"Below is the list of countries/regions where the LIVE service is supported. Game features that require the LIVE service are only available in these countries/regions. If your country/region is not on the list, please check back with us soon—we expand our services frequently and may be coming to your country/region in the near future."

That doesn't answer the question.

I also see some people speculating that it will actually work and that support people are intentionally dodging the question because that is their policy. That's exactly what I'm saying!

 

[Yiorgos]

Just had another chat with their support. Everything is as is now with the 360 and live unsupported regions. The games will work/activate as long as you have a gold sub for the supported country that matches with the region of the game in question. Of course people will not be able to download everything from their "fake" region for example movies and tv shows with a US live account but UK IP etc. But thats nothing new. Been there since 2009 if am not mistaken. MS knows that bu i dont think they can publicly endorse it. I think they will be more than happy to take anyone's money.

 

[Soi-Fong]

Check this out, and remember, if you travel, don't forget to pack you X360:

Confirmation of IP Block then. Holy fuck.. And people here are still defending this...? My god...

 

[Maximilian Kolbe]

Closest thing I found was this:

"Xbox One games are for activation and distribution only in specified geographic regions. See game package and/or retailer product information, for each game’s specific geographic regions."

"Below is the list of countries/regions where the LIVE service is supported. Game features that require the LIVE service are only available in these countries/regions. If your country/region is not on the list, please check back with us soon—we expand our services frequently and may be coming to your country/region in the near future."

That doesn't answer the question.

I also see some people speculating that it will actually work and that support people are intentionally dodging the question because that is their policy. That's exactly what I'm saying!

Nah we just get lots of chat support and they keep giving us same answer,they did not dodging anything

And see,another person ignoring

 

[Phife Dawg]

Nope, read the page you're posting on.

That goes for everyone too.

Why? Because XBox support told you on the phone and it currently works that way on 360? We have conflicting info from XBox support on this very page. Like I said, they are useless, the DRM issue has shown that.

That doesn't mean it couldn't work out the way you are hoping/speculating, doesn't mean it has to. At the moment we have the disclaimer and that's it. You are speculating that because they already have similar fine print nothing will change, I would say nothing is certain after the introduction of THE DRM scheme. Let's wait for some head honcho to shed some light before claiming to know the one and only truth.

 

[Savitar]

 

[GamerSciz]

What I am hearing is "What we say goes, if you don't like it don't buy it". It's just too bad that the gamers, main crowd of gaming, don't like the policies...

 

[wrowa]

I was just reading this article and it raises a damning question for Gemans (and citizens of other countries that like to censore violent games): If Xbox One games only work in "selected countries", will we still be able to import uncut version from other European countries or are we SOL? Will Microsoft block uncut versions of games that are only being released cut in Germany?

Also, will we be able to play indexed games on the One? Games that are classified as so violent that you are still allowed to buy and own them when you're over 18, but which aren't allowed to be openly promoted or distributed?

 

[Mandoric]

lol, they're actually ip blocking it? it's not just dumb "everything's tied to your live account, and we only officially have live accounts where we've launched"?

I've said it before, but this completely locks it in. First major console I completely skip since Jaguar.