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[Captain Smoker]

Thanks, thats a pretty god damn good explanation for why more Gaffers aren't dropping hints.

Yes, but the NPD Group sucks anyway.

Look at Japan, we have three! trackers who post weekly data (lol) and they still run their business.


And US gets... a monthly All SKU Top10 ranking, that's a joke.

 

[metalslimer]

We will see but I fear that the PS4 and X1 will both sell like shit. $400 and $500 console surely are not the answer to what is happening right now.

What's happening right now is that everyone who wants a PS3/360 has one. You should be more worried about software than hardware. PS4 at least will sell fine at 399. You can't expect 8 year old tech to continually sell well forever. That's why the idea that this generation would last until 2015 before new consoles was ludicrous at best.

 

[prag16]

Would that really be downplaying though? If anything 34k would be "Good" since it would show something resembling stabilization.

Considering we already know it's > 30k, slotting it in at under 34 in a month where more games came out than last month could be considered downplaying, yes. That said I doubt he's that far off..

 

[Guevara]

Inflation adjusted, $400 is a fine price. Even $500 isn't crazy (that's about the same as the launch price of the Xbox 360).

 

[IncandescentPrecept]

What's happening right now is that everyone who wants a PS3/360 has one. You should be more worried about software than hardware. PS4 at least will sell fine at 399.

I disagree. Everyone who wants a PS3/360 at the current price point in the US has one.

 

[Pie and Beans]

We will see but I fear that the PS4 and X1 will both sell like shit. $400 and $500 console surely are not the answer to what is happening right now.

You must be new to this whole console generation sales thing. New console generations inject new hype and life back into the market, drive software sales back up, seize the minds of the public again. An 8 year gen has created something of total ambivalence for the current crop of games that are straining at the seams and require next-gen to shine.

It happens across absolutely every console gen we have sales for on record, and yes, the new consoles always cost quite a bit. PS4 though is coming in at quite a bargain price for being the most powerful box. Just $50 off the current WiiU sku that actually sells!

 

[Exterminieren]

Jane is taller then Hank, but shorter then Betsy

How tall is Imhotep?

Spoiler

Imhotep is invisible.

 

[metalslimer]

Inflation adjusted, $400 is a fine price. Even $500 isn't crazy (that's about the same as the launch price of the Xbox 360).

Pretty sure Americans at least have less purchasing power than in 2006 so inflation isn't the best measure of how to price something. That being said I think 399 is the price to be at and Sony did a really good job hitting it. MS will get their core fanbase at 499, but I expect PS3 like numbers once the holidays wear off.

I disagree. Everyone who wants a PS3/360 at the current price point in the US has one.

While I think a price cut should happen how much exactly do you think these consoles can sell? They are both approaching 80 million units sold and with the proliferation of smartphones, tablets, etc. taking away casual gamers you can't expect much more out of these 8 and 7 year old systems.

 

[DaBoss]

What's happening right now is that everyone who wants a PS3/360 has one. You should be more worried about software than hardware. PS4 at least will sell fine at 399. You can't expect 8 year old tech to continually sell well forever. That's why the idea that this generation would last until 2015 before new consoles was ludicrous at best.

Well considering we haven't had a price drop for either console in a long time, it is kinda hard to say where there isn't any more potential customers for the consoles.

 

[jwhit28]

So when DS started it's run, how often was it beat by PS3 or 360?

EDIT: I said not #1 at first but then remembered a little thing called Wii.

 

[KillerTravis]

Inflation adjusted, $400 is a fine price. Even $500 isn't crazy (that's about the same as the launch price of the Xbox 360).

I think $400 is a great price for what the PS4 offers. They just need to market that heavily.

 

[jvm]

Software revenue figure in GI.biz article is wrong.

Hardware: $96.0mm
Software: $175.1mm (this one was wrong)
Accessories: $115.3mm

I realize I'm probably the only one who regularly pays attention to those, but anyway.

 

[Killing_Joke]

I wonder how well 360 or PS3 would sell with a real $99 price tag.

 

[AniHawk]

So when DS started it's run, how often was it NOT #1?

quite a lot in its first 18 months. and then quite a lot towards the end of its run.

 

[KojiKnight]

I'm going to say this again after saying it in the pachter thread.... One bad month doesn't mean shit.

May was a relatively lean month, with June having many of the huge titles you'd expect to pull big numbers (AC, LoU, etc).

If NPD numbers look terrible for June, then it's time to be a bit more worried...

 

[Aquamarine]

Software revenue figure in GI.biz article is wrong.

Hardware: $96.0mm
Software: $175.1mm (this one was wrong)
Accessories: $115.3mm

I realize I'm probably the only one who regularly pays attention to those, but anyway.

I appreciate it!

Thanks for the correction.

 

[TheSeks]

I wasn't aware of this. Jesus..I wondered why I came away from the demo preferring the old 'tank' style controls.

Yep, the aim is busted in all the versions of the remake. Ironically it's fine on the 3DS but that's because the 3DS's stick is more "digital" than "analog" like the console/PC versions analog is.

 

[DaBoss]

Software revenue figure in GI.biz article is wrong.

Hardware: $96.0mm
Software: $175.1mm (this one was wrong)
Accessories: $115.3mm

I realize I'm probably the only one who regularly pays attention to those, but anyway.

What was it before?

 

[Aquamarine]

What was it before?

$187.6 million.

 

[BuzzJive]

Not sure if this was posted already, but there was a Lego Batman DVD that came out last month. The marketing for that and the release of the Wii U version probably helped cause the slight bump needed to place 10th on the slow month sales list.

 

[metalslimer]

Well considering we haven't had a price drop for either console in a long time, it is kinda hard to say where there isn't any more potential customers for the consoles.

The ASP of the 360 suggests more people are still buying the higher end model over the 200 one. I don't think a 50 dollar price cut will do much to stop the downward trend. Maybe at 99 dollars because its more of an impulse buy but I don' think there is a huge barrier with the 360 at least. The PS3 need to be 199 a while ago but let's not forget that these machines are bringing in massive profits at this point. Like i said worry about software sales not hardware.

 

[Whipped Spartan]

well microsoft did keep their console $300 for eight goddamn years, and sony kept it that price or more for slightly less time.

$300 was a good price for a ps3 back in 2008 or so. now it's just ridiculous.

Yea we need $100 consoles like last year. $150 maybe lol. They'll never drop them now. If they do they'll destroy the one and PS4.

Sucks when you need to replace a system too. My launch PS3 went finally in May and I had to drop 300 on a new PS3. FUCK that is a lot on a 7 yr old system. Why did I have to play last of us so bad.

 

[Petrae]

Inflation adjusted, $400 is a fine price. Even $500 isn't crazy (that's about the same as the launch price of the Xbox 360).

Inflation only works well as an argument when wages increase to reflect it. $500 eliminates mass market from the equation and $400 is pushing the upper range of acceptable price points.

$300 continues to be the sweet spot for mass market adoption of video game consoles, regardless of their additional feature sets. Transition will slow after initial push from typical early adopter demographic ends.

 

[Daingurse]

Yep, the aim is busted in all the versions of the remake. Ironically it's fine on the 3DS but that's because the 3DS's stick is more "digital" than "analog" like the console/PC versions analog is.

I remember trying the demo out on my PC, I did not like the way it felt at all. And no laser sight? Come on now. I had no incentive to buy it for $50, when I already have the 3DS version.

 

[Biker19]

Looks like Xbox 360 hardware sales are starting to die down a bit...

 

[CadetMahoney]

Inflation only works well as an argument when wages increase to reflect it. $500 eliminates mass market from the equation and $400 is pushing the upper range of acceptable price points.

$300 continues to be the sweet spot for mass market adoption of video game consoles, regardless of their additional feature sets. Transition will slow after initial push from typical early adopter demographic ends.

Imagine is MS does that ISP subsidy thing $199 ppl where commenting on in another thread. Not that i think it will come to fruition.

 

[shinra-bansho]

The ASP of the 360 suggests more people are still buying the higher end model over the 200 one. I don't think a 50 dollar price cut will do much to stop the downward trend. Maybe at 99 dollars because its more of an impulse buy but I don' think there is a huge barrier with the 360 at least.

There's likely demand for both boxes at a sub-$200 price point (for the premium 360 SKUs, i.e. with Kinect or with HDD).

The PS3 should see a lift or at least a stemming of decline with an eventual 32GB SKU I imagine - as has been the case with the 16GB SKU in Europe iirc.

 

[metalslimer]

Inflation only works well as an argument when wages increase to reflect it. $500 eliminates mass market from the equation and $400 is pushing the upper range of acceptable price points.

$300 continues to be the sweet spot for mass market adoption of video game consoles, regardless of their additional feature sets. Transition will slow after initial push from typical early adopter demographic ends.

My guess is that Sony rides out 399 for at least the first year and half of the PS4 gathering as many core gamers as they can and then price drops to 300 in 2015. Microsofts terrible decisions also probably have Sony breathing a sigh of relief as they probably thought MS would undercut them.

There's likely demand for both boxes at a sub-$200 price point (for the premium 360 SKUs, i.e. with Kinect or with HDD).

Enough so that they make up the money they lose? This is the real issue. I don't think that either console wouldn't get boost from a price drop, but demand is probably not so heavy as to make up for the big loss in profit here and at least with Sony probably losing a bit on the PS4 they needed all they can get. Having a PS3 closer to the PS4 price also probably helps PS4 adoption.

 

[DaBoss]

$187.6 million.

That's quite the mistake lol. Thanks.

The ASP of the 360 suggests more people are still buying the higher end model over the 200 one. I don't think a 50 dollar price cut will do much to stop the downward trend. Maybe at 99 dollars because its more of an impulse buy but I don' think there is a huge barrier with the 360 at least. The PS3 need to be 199 a while ago but let's not forget that these machines are bringing in massive profits at this point. Like i said worry about software sales not hardware.

I think it is safe to say with any console more people are buying the higher end model than the lower end. I'm talking about a $70-$100 price slash, that can definitely spur more sales than a $50 one which one can find easily with promotions/sales.

My guess is that Sony rides out 399 for at least the first year and half of the PS4 gathering as many core gamers as they can and then price drops to 300 in 2015. Microsofts terrible decisions also probably have Sony breathing a sigh of relief as they probably thought MS would undercut them.

I believe Sony decided on the price before the conference. Well that was what I remember being posted on here.

 

[IncandescentPrecept]

While I think a price cut should happen how much exactly do you think these consoles can sell? They are both approaching 80 million units sold and with the proliferation of smartphones, tablets, etc. taking away casual gamers you can't expect much more out of these 8 and 7 year old systems.

Both systems can easily add 20M by the time they reach the $99 price point if they start go for a mainstream price soon. The PS2 is still well because in a lot of countries, the HD systems are way too expensive.

 

[Boke1879]

Inflation only works well as an argument when wages increase to reflect it. $500 eliminates mass market from the equation and $400 is pushing the upper range of acceptable price points.

$300 continues to be the sweet spot for mass market adoption of video game consoles, regardless of their additional feature sets. Transition will slow after initial push from typical early adopter demographic ends.

Well lets hope since both of these consoles aren't using anything groundbreaking when it comes to tech that we see the consoles lower their prices accordingly over time.

These parts will no doubt get cheaper much faster and we'll see both consoles turn a profit in 2014. Hopefully they price drop to match. The way in which price drops happened this console cycle was much too slow.

 

[metalslimer]

Both systems can easily add 20M by the time they reach the $99 price point if they start go for a mainstream price soon. The PS2 is still well because in a lot of countries, the HD systems are way too expensive.

I agree they are too expensive, but I was just trying to explain the logic and why it made some sense to keep prices as high as they have been the past few years.

 

[Aquamarine]

Yes, Yes, No.

Did you come to this conclusion from these rumors?

http://nsider2.com/forums/index.php/topic/601431-npd-may-the-king-is-dethroned/

Hardware:
3DS
360: 114k
PS3 < 100k
Wii U > 30k
Vita < 30k


Yes 3DS outsold 360, but we currently don't have numbers,

Notes of Interest:
RE: Revelations bombed on all consoles combined.
Software sales are the lowest since Mat 2000
All other systems sold below 100k
Injustice was the best selling game at ~100k

 

[Duxxy3]

I wonder how well 360 or PS3 would sell with a real $99 price tag.

Really well, but it may never happen.

 

[demosthenes]

Did you come to this conclusion from these rumors?

http://nsider2.com/forums/index.php/topic/601431-npd-may-the-king-is-dethroned/

So you're saying, that everyone needs price drops.

 

[Duxxy3]

Inflation only works well as an argument when wages increase to reflect it. $500 eliminates mass market from the equation and $400 is pushing the upper range of acceptable price points.

$300 continues to be the sweet spot for mass market adoption of video game consoles, regardless of their additional feature sets. Transition will slow after initial push from typical early adopter demographic ends.

I still think that is $100 too high for mass market. Yes, the 4GB 360 is $199 but even people with half a brain know to avoid that like the plague.

 

[Sandfox]

This month was pretty bad in terms of releases and I'm curious as t whether next gen will get people who IMO just seem burnt out back into buying games.

3DS should be on top next month as well thanks to AC and maybe even the games coming out week lol.

 

[Petrae]

3DS should be on top next month as well thanks to AC and maybe even the games coming out week lol.

I can see a scenario where the 360 actually falls to 3rd place for June, behind both 3DS and PS3. Then all streaks for MSFT will have ended.

 

[DaBoss]

Time to put up the cream signal.

 

[Lynn616]

You must be new to this whole console generation sales thing. New console generations inject new hype and life back into the market, drive software sales back up, seize the minds of the public again. An 8 year gen has created something of total ambivalence for the current crop of games that are straining at the seams and require next-gen to shine.

It happens across absolutely every console gen we have sales for on record, and yes, the new consoles always cost quite a bit. PS4 though is coming in at quite a bargain price for being the most powerful box. Just $50 off the current WiiU sku that actually sells!

I hope you are right. We will see after the holidays.

 

[Whipped Spartan]

Really well, but it may never happen.

The xbox and GC never got to $150 if I remember right.

 

[H_Prestige]

You must be new to this whole console generation sales thing. New console generations inject new hype and life back into the market, drive software sales back up, seize the minds of the public again. An 8 year gen has created something of total ambivalence for the current crop of games that are straining at the seams and require next-gen to shine.

It happens across absolutely every console gen we have sales for on record, and yes, the new consoles always cost quite a bit. PS4 though is coming in at quite a bargain price for being the most powerful box. Just $50 off the current WiiU sku that actually sells!

That's not going to happen this time. These consoles aren't bringing anything new to the table.

 

[jvm]

Did you come to this conclusion from these rumors?

http://nsider2.com/forums/index.php/topic/601431-npd-may-the-king-is-dethroned/

No. CQ is legit.

 

[Guevara]

The xbox and GC never got to $150 if I remember right.

What? The Gamecube was $99 (and had a soft pricedrop even before that)

 

[SolarPowered]

The xbox and GC never got to $150 if I remember right.

What

Everyone knows the Gamecube hit $99.

 

[mujun]

I can see a scenario where the 360 actually falls to 3rd place for June, behind both 3DS and PS3. Then all streaks for MSFT will have ended.

Last of Us bump!

 

[added_time]

That's not going to happen this time. These consoles aren't bringing anything new to the table.

They may not be bringing anything new to the table but the *are* taking things away! That's something!

 

[Whipped Spartan]

What

Everyone knows the Gamecube hit $99.

Did it?!?!? Hopefully PS3 and 360 do...

 

[Aquamarine]

No. CQ is legit.

Oh I know.

 

[jamesinclair]

Western developers ignoring the top selling platform?

You'd think the shareholders would sue by now