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FRIDAYTON MK II: 5.5 million bears and salmon create unholy allliance to sack SONY HQ
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iamshadowlark
Banned
OS is an umbrella term for anything and everything the console will be able to do currently and in the future that isn't playing whatever game you're currently running. Don't hang your head on it.
CadetMahoney
Member
Why would Sony be scared?
The only thing I can think of of is Kinect. But Kinect is a feature that is uneeded and not wanted by many of the hardcore gamers. With an extra $100 on top of that, the pre-orders establish without a doubt Sony will remain worldwide market leader like this gen.
Let's assume that 7GB was available. You don't think ND or SSM would burn through it?
mentalfloss
Banned
holy crap, I was just thinking of reviving the Bear/Salmon meme..
fuck that is creepy
Anyway, I would kill to see a RAM eating salmon.
fuck that is creepy
Anyway, I would kill to see a RAM eating salmon.
I think most of them are serious TBH.
saveweyard
Banned
Haha, wow. What is this? I'm dying
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Except it's not even bad news. That's the point.
The whole notion of this being bad is just that, a perception.
Is there a commission or jury where we can decide on what's considered good or bad news because if there is, I want in!
Sho_Nuff82
Member
It's only a non-issue now because it affects all 3 console manufacturers.
Nintendo and MS were absolutely crucified for months for their OS's taking up 35-50% of their RAM. A few sensible posters say why this is no big deal for PS4 and all of a sudden, everything is right as rain. Better, even.
The thread title change is because it's still unconfirmed but people are completely and totally losing their shit and canceling preorders. Folks need to lighten up and keep things in perspective.
Vestal
Gold Member
The hell are you talking about?!?!
Netflix was more like a timed exclusive feature. Since its available for tablets, smart phones, and built into tvs as well. And even if they "copied" it, it's currently the superior version. so
Angelus Errare
Banned
Man my GPU has 5GB of GDDR5s :3
Game devs cannot plan on making games years in advance assuming that they will have more than 5.5 right? So that means from a practical standpoint that will be the upper limit well into the middle of the next generation correct? From there it may increase but that is assuming that Sony doesn't use the space they have reserved which is a big "if".
iNvid02
Member
im genuinely scared of what ND could do with a couple of gigabytes of RAM
not ready for ND with maximum utilisation
I see. What you said is just wrong then. There was no "copying" happening. Netflix Instant was just becoming big. It was on 360 and other consoles couldn't get it. When the contract was up, it went over to PS3 and Wii. It wasn't copying. They just had to wait their turn.
Okay, so can someone please explain this to me?
If some of the rumors are true and Sony is reserving some of the RAM (initially) for potential OS features, how will games utilize the RAM if/when it is back on the table for games?
I'm guessing that Sony would have to issue a system firmware update to free up the reserved RAM once games begin to utilize it during development in the future, but if this is the case, what would happen to those PS4 owners who don't have access to the internet and can't download the firmware update? Would the games simply not work on their systems?
Obviously, I'm not a tech person, so I could be entirely wrong, but if someone could clarify, I'd really appreciate it.
If some of the rumors are true and Sony is reserving some of the RAM (initially) for potential OS features, how will games utilize the RAM if/when it is back on the table for games?
I'm guessing that Sony would have to issue a system firmware update to free up the reserved RAM once games begin to utilize it during development in the future, but if this is the case, what would happen to those PS4 owners who don't have access to the internet and can't download the firmware update? Would the games simply not work on their systems?
Obviously, I'm not a tech person, so I could be entirely wrong, but if someone could clarify, I'd really appreciate it.
I remember Durante saying quite a while back that visually there wouldn't be any difference between a system with 5GB usable ram and 7GB (all else being equal). Given info per frame would be limited, the underlying operations can only get so large. I had thought that the extra 2GB would help with caching data for better load times.
Given the deed accomplished by 1GB gfx cards today, I am not worried for the moment.
However, all the anger surrounding this situation is clear: It's less about the potential ramification of the deduction and more about the perception of a greater number that most of us had assumed given the way the instrument has been marketed, especially given the fact that it received 100% jump in the amount from earlier leaked documents.
Plus, for the life of us, most of us can't imagine just why would the OS need to be so big given feature-wise it will never reach parity with xbone due to the lack kinect functionalities. Also, for the time being, there is no mention of "cable tv" related features either which is another source for sequestering memory.
Here's what I fail to understand: Why reserve another GB for devs "if they need it"? Why not simply make it 5.5GB and be done with it for the time being?
Given the deed accomplished by 1GB gfx cards today, I am not worried for the moment.
However, all the anger surrounding this situation is clear: It's less about the potential ramification of the deduction and more about the perception of a greater number that most of us had assumed given the way the instrument has been marketed, especially given the fact that it received 100% jump in the amount from earlier leaked documents.
Plus, for the life of us, most of us can't imagine just why would the OS need to be so big given feature-wise it will never reach parity with xbone due to the lack kinect functionalities. Also, for the time being, there is no mention of "cable tv" related features either which is another source for sequestering memory.
Here's what I fail to understand: Why reserve another GB for devs "if they need it"? Why not simply make it 5.5GB and be done with it for the time being?
PS3 had over 10 times the RAM of PS2, but they still hit the limit on the PS3. Developers WILL find uses for those resources sooner or later.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Last thing from me, the PS4 has up to 5.5GB available if this is true. That's 500 more MB than Xbone. I can't really see this being bad or affects the others.
If you were being sarcastic then I can't tell but now I leave for work
It's not optimised yet because the dev kit isn't final hardware?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Blow said "more than 5GB," not 6.
Plus he's taking a brute force approach and just loading up all of the world at once instead of streaming it in piece by piece. If the RAM is there, why not?
Regardless of the amount reserved at launch, devs on both systems can almost certainly count on an increase in available RAM. The unanswered questions are how much and when.
Mods are obviously in Cerny's pocket just like the rest of our RAM. What else could it be? Thread title certainly hasn't changed just to ridicule numerous meltdowns in this thread. No mod would be that cruel.
iamshadowlark
Banned
No.
From the jump of the infamous 8GB announcement, the vast majority opinion of people informed that it was overkill.
Ninja Scooter
Member
I just bought a Wii U so that I can return it tomorrow.
NullPointer
Member
Its a downgrade from what was previously thought, and puts it squarely in line with a reserve similar to the Xbox One. A limit that was used to crucify the Xbone BTW, as it showed in clear terms that gaming capability was being sacrificed for task switching media and apps.
That's how it looks right now.
Zing.
Jawmuncher
Member
So who else could care less about this?
I just want good games.
I just want good games.
velociraptor
Junior Member
I had 512mb RAM in my PC when the PS2 was released.
I had 2GB RAM in my PC when the PS3 was released.
Can Crusher
Banned
I'm sure if bandwidth got cut short by 40% it would be ok too. It's all a matter of perspective.
gundamkyoukai
Member
If ND needs it Sony can always give it back and seeing how early games were made of non final devs kit for most of there life they could not really take advantage of ram upgrade any way.
Wish Verendus could give us some more info .
Thanks! I wonder if the increased footprint for the OS will be seen as the right choice in the mind of gamers at the end of it all. I'm sure the share button feature plays a big part in the increased complexity of the OS.
In any case it's just rumours for now and Sony can easily refine the OS later on etc.
OrangeYouGlad
Banned
Welp, thanks for nothing Sony.
Yeah, I staged this for almost a month and a half.
iNvid02
Member
4.5 but feels like 7
Thanks for the info though you shared.. you and the others seemed to have mostly calmed this shitstorm.
Glorified G
Member
I fucking love this thread
Did people pre-order the PS4 for it's RAM? Just wondering.
I know some people made a mockery out of XB1's OS footprint but the level headed ones didn't.
Both MS and Sony can free up more RAM down the the line (right?). At the moment even devs were saying they wouldn't be sure what to do with 8gbs, even if there is always something.
Either way I don't care, there will always be something to game on. It's just a console
I know some people made a mockery out of XB1's OS footprint but the level headed ones didn't.
Both MS and Sony can free up more RAM down the the line (right?). At the moment even devs were saying they wouldn't be sure what to do with 8gbs, even if there is always something.
Either way I don't care, there will always be something to game on. It's just a console
Can Crusher
Banned
I don't know, was it good news when Ps4 went from 4GB of Ram to 8?