YianGaruga
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FEZ 2 (possibly?) cancelled | Aka: Phil Fish acts like a 5 year old on Twitter
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He's right.
Secret Fawful
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Go get em, Jonathan.
VibratingDonkey
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So long, and thanks for all the Fish.
There it is.
Mr. Enigma
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For a very brief moment, Phil Fish was trending worldwide on Twitter at #10.
(yes, my tailored trends are disabled)
(yes, my tailored trends are disabled)
KennyLinder
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Meh fuck him. Fez is one of most overated games of the last few years anyway, no loss not getting a sequel.
He's right.
All it takes is for Fish to stop posting and reading Twitter if it bothers him so much. He didn't have to throw a tantrum and feed those trolls.
The idiotic mindset is comparable, yes.
ComputerMKII
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That's your most absolute right but if you're willing to pay for the game that's kind of a dickish thing to do.
Rogue_Ledr
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I'd rather see a new IP anyway.
Skull Leader
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You're turning him into a special victim without any real confirmation that he does have problems, simply because you like his work? Or are you really legitimately concerned for this individual?
I hope you don't say anything disparaging about anyone on the internet. Ever. They might have mental illness.
If Fish didn't want to get made into a target, then he wouldn't have acted like one. He was never under any obligation, ever, at any point in his career, to respond to any questions he has ever been asked. There ARE reasonable responses to situations, and he's shown a distinct lack of exercising those options, a lack of tact, and respect for people around him and people supporting him.
Secret Fawful
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So he shouldn't defend himself at all.
vitaminwateryum
corporate swill
It's almost like people don't know who Phil's Twitter avatar is.
Definitely agree. There should be more scrutiny over what tweets from a dev's personal account are turned into news. Also, devs might benefit from talking to outlets that use their personal tweets and let it be known they don't appreciate them being used.
danielreis
Neo Member
So, a e-mail confirmation is not enought. They have to do a phone confirmation.
So, let's say as a hypothetical situation, they phone him, and he do say "it's true", now they have better proof? Now they can run the story? And what if he did lie on the phone, but kept a serious tone and refused to say anything else, can Joystiq "sense" his lie? If not, what changed?
I just don't see how it is different. A confirmation is a confirmation. If he sent a e-mail confirmation to Joystiq, i don't see what else they have to do before publishing it. This is news. They can't keep coming back to phil and asking again "but are you serious, really serious this time?" on e-mail, phone and a face-to-face one hour exposé.
In my opinion, it's not their reputation on the line anymore. It is his.
Neither I nor anybody probably in this thread knows Fish well enough to say whether or not he has a mental illness. It's unfortunate that the relevancy of such an issue is disregarded however.
He's, at the very least, emotionally unstable, based on his reaction. Sure, he's acting as an asshole, but I'd be willing to be money that his actions are more rooted in issues that he's been dealing with for a while now. He's a person, just like you and I, prone to all the same maladies.
Individuals afflicted with pain such as this cannot simply turn it off. Just because a person wants to be left alone, doesn't mean they can do it with ease. Situations like this are not as binary as some people are concluding.
That being said, I do want to make it clear that I don't support his actions whatsoever. I just think it's rather crude to jump on the guy - especially when it's clear that he's down.
EvilKatarn
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I don't like FEZ and I like Fish even less but...
Oh, Marcus Beer? Another one of those 'grumpy british schmuck whose shtick is talking about disliking something with an annoying forced accent' video game commentary man guys.
I still remember those commercials from Gametrailers' E3 stream. Nightmarish.
Essentially it's a fight between to juvenile dicks. Too bad if the game really is cancelled. Whatever happens, this is not getting either of them any good publicity.
Oh, Marcus Beer? Another one of those 'grumpy british schmuck whose shtick is talking about disliking something with an annoying forced accent' video game commentary man guys.
I still remember those commercials from Gametrailers' E3 stream. Nightmarish.
Essentially it's a fight between to juvenile dicks. Too bad if the game really is cancelled. Whatever happens, this is not getting either of them any good publicity.
And these comments will be repeated ad nauseum. Do the people who post these kind of comments even care about his games or do they just like to take a cheap potshot because you know, Phil Fish is a dick right guys?
It really is a shame if FEZ II is indeed cancelled. I used to be on the side that said "oh Phil Fish is a dick, I won't support his game" but realized how equally childish that is. He hasn't hurt the industry in any noticeable way (afaik) except make a handful of rash/insensitive comments. What he has done is contributed to our hobby and add another game for us to play. I guess there will be people that won't miss him though.
He doesn't know how to, so no.
Skull Leader
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A mature individual wouldn't rise to the occasion to mash their dick all over the keyboard and post pre-pubescent defenses of their own assholery every time they felt the need to rise to the challenge.
He has taken breaks from twitter before, unfortunately it's still hard to avoid the internet in general, especially when you kind of rely on it to get the word out about whatever you are doing.
Fish can be a prick, I won't defend him on that, but some of the stuff I see being thrown around is crazy. I know if I was being flooded with hate messages every day for a year I would probably be on the verge of breaking down as well.
I entirely agree with Blow on this one.
Secret Fawful
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So he should just lie back and let people punch him in the face over and over until he passes out or dies, basically, because he never went to finishing school.
Also taking into account the fact that everyone everywhere hates him and lets him know it every single day-
I just can't bring myself to give someone who acts like this any money.
And I believe that this would be way less of a dick move than just pirating it.
Yeah, man, nothing important ever happens on Twitter.
Don't be ridiculous. A high profile indie developer says his game is cancelled and then confirms that it's cancelled when asked for comment. Of course it's fucking news.
greycolumbus
The success of others absolutely infuriates me.
He's right.
He's basically disregarding any criticism because it comes from the internet, all the while generalizing dissenters. That is incredibly childish. People who feel this way should not be on social media.
I like Blow, but I don't understand his comments.
That comment wasn't even a poke at Fez or his games in general. It was about him, who, yes, just happens to be a dick.
He's right.
No, he's not. It's not one bit hypocritical.
edit: ok I missed the point the first time.
I see what he means now.
Secret Fawful
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It's like the people who hate Fish are blind to how much they and everyone else hates him. It's like they hate him, but refuse to acknowledge the ramifications of it. The whole "then Fish should disregard the comments" idea could apply to them as well. If Fish bothers you, ignore him.
If I was hated that much too, I would cancel my game and quit developing, because what's the point?
If I was hated that much too, I would cancel my game and quit developing, because what's the point?
You reap what you sow with the internet, particularly on Twitter. Do you think there's a celebrity, never mind an indy game developer, who doesn't get all sorts of horrendous messages on Twitter? There are plenty of people on there who answer questions from fans and do a good job. How do you do a good job? You ignore the abuse. If it's abuse it's probably not constructive so a response is only giving the other person what they want. There is the flipside to that, though, as Twitter's done a very good job of identifying the more thin-skinned famous people. Graham Linehan and Ricky Gervais, awful.
The internet can be a caustic place when everybody's having a go at you but you only amplify that by acting like a dickhead the rest of the time.
The internet can be a caustic place when everybody's having a go at you but you only amplify that by acting like a dickhead the rest of the time.
He is right, but its no different from the hundreds of thousands of people that have a modicum of success and awareness from the public. It isnt like they get it any worse than movie stars, or athletes, or television personalities, or authors, or anyone else that has their name attached to something that has a public face. Most people tend to do alright with it, or at least not heighten the situation by responding to and interacting with it.
He's right.
Then again, I guess that being an indie developer might put them in a more vulnerable position. They're generally alone or in a small team, which makes their ownership of the final product much larger than most people's in regard to their output, and part of being an indie is about being more personable, non-corporate (was gonna say down to earth but that doesn't really fit). Plus, as well as these two have done, they still don't the sort of financial or social safety net that other people in similar positions have, so it's harder for them to just shrug it off and say "Whatever, I'm super rich/famous/will always be just fine". They don't have any PR/image management department, and they're dealing with a much more Internet-centric crowd.
So I guess you could say that I understand to a degree, but Sterling really said it best when he said that they need to start just disassociating themselves from media negativity, especially social media negativity. Nothing good has ever come from Twitter wars.
GillianSeed79
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This is a good point. Fish actually seems like the perfect person to ask too about Microsoft's move to self-publishing and elimination of certification fees. I mean, one of the big stories about Fez was that there was a save bug that couldn't be patched because the patch was too expensive. Fish seems to be an obvious choice to ask about the change in policy.
That being said, it's probably a better idea to get input from other indie developers other than Fish and Blow. For starters, they are famous now and they probably won't have any trouble selling their games. They also aren't exactly neutral on the issue, considering they were complaining about Microsfot's policies for years.
I would have loved to have heard from other indie developers no one knows or haven't been interviewed like maybe someone who wasn't able to get their game on Xbox Live because they couldn't find a publisher or any one of the hundreds of indie developers who have released games on the PC or Steam that no one has heard of.
That guy in his basement struggling to get his game greenlit or on PSN or on Xbox Live has probably a more interesting perspective on the issue as opposed to the guys that are already indie success stories.
That being said, I imagine it's annoying for Blow and Fish when they are treated as like the end all, be all spokespeople for the entire indie game community or the faces of indie gaming.
VibratingDonkey
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Look at that goddamned douchebag manchild hipster, being all dicky, the whiny bitch.
MvmntInGrn
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I'm sure it is horrible.
He's right.
It can also be avoided by NOT throwing your arms up and telling people to kill themselves and drawing copious amounts of attention to your dissatisfaction on a public social media service.
He's right.
"YOU GUYS" my ass, people seriously need to stop this hivemind bullshit, maybe it's not the same people who give him shit and those that think he needs to chill? I would never make a twitter account just to call them bad names, and I think that people that waste their time doing it are idiots, but I do think Fish needs to chill. Is it my fault now?
Why the fuck does he care what other people have to say, he's a successful indie developer that is well known in the gaming blogosphere. Replying to those idiots never ends well. Just ignore them and don't cause a stir that leads to shit like this.
I dislike his game and personality and I enjoy watching whatever it is that's happening on twitter
Yup.
Secret Fawful
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Marcus Beer needs to learn to do journalism without insulting developers. But no wait, it's completely okay because it's not popular to hate Marcus Beer.
To some people, me being one of those kinds of people, comments hurt no matter who they're from, and it's easy to get emotional when you're the sort of person who just naturally listens to them. Plus, Fish strikes me as being really, REALLY insecure, and no amount of success will matter.
danielreis
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And now, according to Blow, any comment on a developer's behaviour is hypocritical when made on the internet. Hah, now that's a generalization.
Indie Gods.
Indie Gods.
man.. this is kinda like the Britney Spears meltdown...
Peoples' fascination and obsession with 'celebrity'... I don't follow either of these guys on twitter, but i would guess a ton of people do, and then tweet at them daily about what a dick they are.. i dont know if anyone deserves that much anonymous negativity...
i guess in this age of social media, people get access to people that they had never had before... i like Tom Cruise movies.. i dont agree with his beliefs.. but that is no matter for me.. i dont like Justin Bieber's music.. but millions of teen girls do.. so i let them enjoy that.. i dont deal w/ it. Why are people so excited to engage people they dont like, and then complain about it afterwards?
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Peoples' fascination and obsession with 'celebrity'... I don't follow either of these guys on twitter, but i would guess a ton of people do, and then tweet at them daily about what a dick they are.. i dont know if anyone deserves that much anonymous negativity...
i guess in this age of social media, people get access to people that they had never had before... i like Tom Cruise movies.. i dont agree with his beliefs.. but that is no matter for me.. i dont like Justin Bieber's music.. but millions of teen girls do.. so i let them enjoy that.. i dont deal w/ it. Why are people so excited to engage people they dont like, and then complain about it afterwards?
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