Graphically, the sp will be untouchable by every other console fps launching in the same time frame.
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Guerilla: Killzone: Shadow Fall's multiplayer is 60 FPS, singleplayer is 30 FPS
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Graphically, the sp will be untouchable by every other console fps launching in the same time frame.
NullPointer
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Pretty much my take. Going from multiplayer to single player is going to feel pretty horrible I think, so its hard to just jump for joy here.
I'm open to having my mind changed, but going from past experience playing some COD and then switching over to Halo - its very jarring and brings the whole experience down.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
I rather have 30 + better graphics but if 60 is only for the MP then that's great. Leave the campaign a visual feast.
I agree with this 100%. I want the oooos and ahhhhs, and the wow look at that in single player. And I need the fast pace smooth game play in MP.
I might be canceling my Ghosts pre-order for this game.
NullPointer
Member
Not true, but many multiplayer centric players seem to think of this as fact with all games. I bounce between the two modes all the time. For many players its all about the campaign with multiplayer being a nice extra.
But regardless I've loved everything I've seen for this game so far so am more than willing to see how it goes.
and KZ single player is a bit slower paced than CODs single player, its not a 'twitch shooter' in single player, not even multi really, plays a BIT more strategic.
this game has moved up the amazon charts nicely since GC..as have all PS4 software...Sony shit a gold brick I believe.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
This is a perfect compromise, I think. Keep it at 30fps for the SP to make that look as breathtakingly good as possible, and then drop the visuals a bit for the MP to give it the responsiveness only 60fps can do.
MeBecomingI
Member
Agreed. Fantastic move, Guerrilla.
dripdripsplash
Member
If they can do this for KZ, a launch tittle, imagine further down the line. NEXT GEN INDEED GUYS.
EDIT: Also worst first post in the history of GAF.
EDIT: Also worst first post in the history of GAF.
FrozenCell
Member
welcome to next gen
AranhaHunter
Banned
Why no split screen? Guerrilla always fucks it up somehow.
Any word on co op? On Killzone 2 and Mercenaries, it's non existent. On 3 it's only campaign and it's only split screen. 90% of FPS out there today have online/offline co op -- campaign and objectives.
Also, a pet peeve of mine, but you can't go prone on Killzone for whatever reason. Helghast soldiers can go prone though. You also could do it in Killzone 1 IIRC, but for some reason they have removed that ability.
SniperHunter
Banned
Radec Academy
24 players
rockets only
OHH YEAAAA
24 players
rockets only
OHH YEAAAA
haZethew0rld
Member
Not really. I play BF3 all the time on ps3, and then jump into BO2 without no problems. I guess I'm already used to it lol.
NullPointer
Member
Going from 30fps to 60fps is fine. Its the other way round that's messed up. Play BO2 for half an hour and then go into BF3 and see how it feels ;P
This is probably the best possible compromise though, all things considered. Short of having the entire game run at 60fps of course.
Superb news... I'd have preferred 60fps across the board, but MP 60fps is still awesome..
30fps "cinematic" experience for SP, 60fps for MP. Superb stuff. This will also teach some of them clearly what 60fps brings to gaming. We will be able to make direct comparison between how two different modes feel, and more people will be able to learn to differentiate 60fps and 30fps. (some claim to not notice the difference..)
30fps "cinematic" experience for SP, 60fps for MP. Superb stuff. This will also teach some of them clearly what 60fps brings to gaming. We will be able to make direct comparison between how two different modes feel, and more people will be able to learn to differentiate 60fps and 30fps. (some claim to not notice the difference..)
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Deleted member 47027
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60fps Killzone? If they do this then you can consider me LEGIT SHOOK.
Dr. Kitty Muffins
Member
All of those pretty pics were MP running at 60 FPS which means the main game probably looks a bit enhanced visually thus it runs at 30fps. Sweet. I hope more devs make this kind of compromise in the future.
Yeap. Why people continue to doubt GG's technical merits even now is beyond me. Single player visuals will blow people away.
Probably because the performance wasn't satisfactory? I'd rather them axe it than ship a barely functioning splitscreen mode that regularly drops to 15-20 FPS (*cough* Halo 4 *cough*)
I'm actually kind of okay with this trend of the single-player for games being 30fps and the multiplayer 60fps (with Assassin's Creed IV and now this). Obviously, 60fps all around would be ideal, but this is a decent trade-off for those who want the single-player portion of games to push the graphical capabilities of a console, while at the same time, keeping the gameplay smoother and more stable for the multiplayer component where it's vital for an enjoyable experience.
cobragt4001
Banned
My point hasn't been proven wrong, the mp models aren't as detailed as the sp models and on top of that the play area for mp will be smaller in size than the sp levels. That's common sense that a games mp doesn't look as good as the sp, it isnt a night and day difference but still a difference nevertheless.
TacticalFox88
Banned
Even worse, you've gotten people suggesting the idea that since the PS4 is ridiculously easy to code for, that it'll be tapped out a lot sooner.
Which ignores the fact that, that hasn't happened EVER in the history of computers, let alone consoles.
NullPointer
Member
On this note why do you consider it less vital for single player? Or more vital for multiplayer?
You've got almost the exact same suite of actions and controls.
ChronotriggerJM
Member
Man, this is actually the greatest thing that could happen to a game. (probably already been done before.) You get to show off your batshit crazy visuals in the single player campain (and show those scenes for your advertisements) with all the amazing set-pieces and effects going overboard that 60FPS will never hit, then for the multi-player, you can drop your visual fidelity and focus on the smoothness of the experience for the modern day COD crowd. In general people don't put amazing set pieces into the multi-player, so you have all these freed up resources anyway.
Smart move that pleases both crowds. I would hate this game if ran the single player at 60FPS, GG's visual team is just too good to have a desolate ghost town for a game. Will be curious to see if the visual ambiance of the multi-player takes a hit. The maps in COD always look awful to me.
Smart move that pleases both crowds. I would hate this game if ran the single player at 60FPS, GG's visual team is just too good to have a desolate ghost town for a game. Will be curious to see if the visual ambiance of the multi-player takes a hit. The maps in COD always look awful to me.
Man-is-Obsolete
Member
My Killzone Launch bundle looking better everyday!
ChronotriggerJM
Member
If people are anything like me, you want to be floored by a game when you've got less pressure and more time to appreciate. The performance gains from dropping your framerate from 60 to 30 are enormous, perhaps more than double. Gives you the ability to slam out obscene draw distances, ramp up the Anti-aliasing, pour a bunch of power into A.I., overkill the lighting engine etc etc. There are many things that just can't be done when you focus on 60 FPS. It's a MASSIVE tradeoff, not one to be taken lightly.
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Deleted member 47027
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I wish a tradeoff wasn't necessary. That's all.
Sorc3r3r
Member
Uhm...not sold yet.
I want to see first how the multy will play, how classes will interact, maps, and the modes we can choose to play.
KZ2 was good, KZ3 honestly was a (beautiful) mess.
Not saying that it's not great what they are trying to achieve(60 fps, unlocked weapons,free dlc) but since for me multys are very hate/love and in these day the multy is often the core of the FPSes i have to wait to know more.
Then if they craft a master SP campaign the multy stuff will be only a very welcomed plus.
I want to see first how the multy will play, how classes will interact, maps, and the modes we can choose to play.
KZ2 was good, KZ3 honestly was a (beautiful) mess.
Not saying that it's not great what they are trying to achieve(60 fps, unlocked weapons,free dlc) but since for me multys are very hate/love and in these day the multy is often the core of the FPSes i have to wait to know more.
Then if they craft a master SP campaign the multy stuff will be only a very welcomed plus.
ChronotriggerJM
Member
What's worse, is that when you run your game at 60FPS, you don't give the system enough time to actually utilize a huge pool of ram
So everyone lodged in this 60FPS camp for everything is missing out on that critical piece as well. Simple math always breaks into a massive trade-off.EatinOlives
Member
It's probably just me, but I consider a smooth 60 FPS experience to be better looking than any fancy graphical effect you might want to throw at a game at 30 FPS. The difference in responsiveness is just too great.
Monty Mole
Member
I downloaded the E3 trailer on PSN, and was a little confused as some of the footage appeared to be 30fps (or less) and some of the other footage was at 60fps. I suppose this clears up the mystery. I personally would rather the whole game was 60fps.
ChronotriggerJM
Member
Well the difference in responsiveness isn't even tied to the visual refresh rate. Some games separate the input refresh with the visuals. Forza 5 at the moment is claiming some 360hz input refresh while playing at 60FPS. The jump from 30 to 60 is only represented by a visual feel.
Templar_Dante
Banned
What does *targeted* mean? Are they aiming to get multiplayer at 60?.. like, Evolution is saying with regard to DriveClub or are they already at 60Fps on this build?
SniperHunter
Banned
Did you guys watch this? http://www.gamersyde.com/stream_killzone_shadow_fall_gc_ps4_interface-30578_en.html
The trees look much better here compared to the e3 and february demo. All the leaves and branches are moving in the wind. The trees in the e3 build were crappy looking and they didn't move in the feb demo
The trees look much better here compared to the e3 and february demo. All the leaves and branches are moving in the wind. The trees in the e3 build were crappy looking and they didn't move in the feb demo
Templar_Dante
Banned
I noticed that. And while the SP was locked at 30fps, it just looks a bit more buttery smooth now. I do have a tiny bit of regret pre-ordering BF4 for PS4 at launch... will definitley pick this up though a few months after launch.
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