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[Gowans]

It happened in the Beta when removing Xbox Points but it seems the team haven't learned a thing for next gen. - Old Thread Here

As of now on Xbox Live in the UK digital pricing is

$5 games are now £3.49
$10 games are now £6.99
$15 games are now £9.99
$20 games are now £13.49​

The old incorrect pricing in the beta MS admitted to messing up and fixing was

$5 games ms incorrect pricing £4.49
$10 games ms incorrect pricing £8.99
$15 games ms incorrect pricing £11.99
$20 games ms incorrect pricing £14.99​

But with Next Gen it looks like that lesson has been forgotten & made WORSE

Killer Instinct
$4.99 / £3.99 [Should be £3.49 - Increase of 13%]
$19.99 / £16.99 [Should be £13.49 - Increase of 26%]
$39.99 / £34.99 [Should be £29.99 - Increase of 17%]

Plants Vs Zombies Garden Warfare [EA]
$39.99 / £39.99 [Should be £29.99 - Increase of 33%]

Also Xbox One Full Retail Game [Based on Amazon.co.uk listings]
$60 / £47 [Was £40 - Increase of 18%]​

So based of the US prices that have not increased UK prices have gone up from 13-33% and it's again inconsistent.

 

[Napalm_Frank]

Tier 1 tax

 

[Gowans]

Tier 1 tax

So the US is tier 0 with no change?

If anyone has the EU figures I'll add it to the op.

 

[Ikuu]

I hope the prices for PS4/One games are just temporary, I'm not paying £50 for a game.

I'll give them a few more weeks, otherwise I'm cancelling my pre-orders.

 

[Rizsparky]

I hope the prices for PS4/One games are just temporary, I'm not paying £50 for a game.

they better decrease in price!

 

[Gowans]

I hope the prices for PS4/One games are just temporary, I'm not paying £50 for a game.

They tried that at the beginning of this gen and it didn't last long, it did completely mess up RRP and digital prices for full games on consoles tho.

What concerns me here is the pricing model for digital and the random UK increases just like with the previous points beta, at least that was fixed.

It seems like the UK prices are being called from the US without even doing any maths around them.

I want to go all digital next gen but I won't if they mess this up, its silly but I would have more faith in stores selling codes right now.

 

[Monty Mole]

UK prices should be 20% higher after currency conversion because of VAT which isn't included in the US pricing.

 

[Bittercup]

$39.99 / £39.99

That's just ridiculous -.-
But isn't EA the one who sets the price in this case?

Unfortunately overpriced download versions of console games are very common in Europe. Often much higher than the retail version.
And no way I'm going to pay more than the current £40 for full priced games.

 

[DJwest]

So the US is tier 0 with no change?

US gamers have it so cheap man, its crazy.

 

[Napalm_Frank]

Well at least UK got it good with retail deals. Sucks for digital tho.

 

[herod]

burgernomics

 

[Daedardus]

UK prices should be 20% higher after currency conversion because of VAT which isn't included in the US pricing.

This basically. VAT needs to be included in all prices, while US sales tax only needs to be applicated afterwards.

 

[industrian]

If only they had kept their anti-used game DRM. Things would have been so much cheaper...

 

[mediapulp_wes]

Where is this info sourced from?

 

[Gowans]

UK prices should be 20% higher after currency conversion because of VAT which isn't included in the US pricing.

The thing is I'm not showing increase from dollar to pound or I would agree, i'm showing increase from the current UK prices to the 'new' UK prices (where US has no increase we do.)

 

[Breakfast at Noon]

not buying one. dont care.

 

[RibbedHero]

Really hope XBO/PS4 allow easy international gifting so I can get games from the cheapest region possible (which on Steam is often US, UK and Eastern Europe, occasionally Western Europe).

UK prices should be 20% higher after currency conversion because of VAT which isn't included in the US pricing.

Yup, this is how it should be. The old prices were actually very decent for us in the UK.

 

[Gowans]

Where is this info sourced from?

Me, current Xbox pricing, Killer iInstinct pricing announcement, Garden Warfare pricing announcement/origin, Amazon.co.uk

 

[Acheteedo]

$5 to £4 is closer to what it should be when you factor in VAT, so that's no big deal, however, what's the deal with this:

Plants Vs Zombies Garden Warfare [EA]
$39.99 / £39.99 [Should be £29.99 - Increase of 33%]

Seriously??

 

[SamRambles]

There's a wonderful naivety in believing that Microsoft have somehow made an error, in contrast to the fact that this was a very deliberate decision made in full knowledge that the vast majority of UK gamers would never realise just how much we are getting ripped off.

 

[MikeJAMoran]

This basically. VAT needs to be included in all prices, while US sales tax only needs to be applicated afterwards.

Yeah, kind of.

For example:
$10 = £6.42
£6.42 + 20% tax = £7.70

So £8.99 is too much, but £7.99 would be about right (based on OP, $10 = £8 roughly).

However, some if it is way off.

$39.99 does not equate to £40.

£40 is the price of a full retail game here. Even taking in account VAT, £30 should be the limit.

Speaking of VAT
Remember when the government lowered it to 15% in some ill-conceived attempt to increase consumer spending? Well I remember hardly anybody put their prices down. But when it went up to 20%, of course everybody did. God dammit.

 

[Gowans]

$39.99 / £39.99

That's just ridiculous -.-
But isn't EA the one who sets the price in this case?

Unfortunately overpriced download versions of console games are very common in Europe. Often much higher than the retail version.
And no way I'm going to pay more than the current £40 for full priced games.

Yeah its 66% of the price of retail in the US and 100% of current gen retail in the UK.

That one was especially BONKERS!

 

[MDX]

keep a stiff upper lip people

 

[Gowans]

Yeah, kind of.

For example:
$10 = £6.42
£6.42 + 20% tax = £7.70

So £8.99 is too much, but £7.99 would be about right (based on OP, $10 = £8 roughly).

However, some if it is way off.

$39.99 does not equate to £40.

£40 is the price of a full retail game here. Even taking in account VAT, £30 should be the limit.

Speaking of VAT
Remember when the government lowered it to 15% in some ill-conceived attempt to increase consumer spending? Well I remember hardly anybody put their prices down. But when it went up to 20%, of course everybody did. God dammit.

We had this chat in the old thread when they stuffed up the point conversion here;
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=618336

AS OF NOW:
$5 = £3.37 (+ 20% VAT = £4.04 )
$10 = £6.73 (+ 20% VAT = £8.08 )
$15 = £10.09 (+ 20% VAT = £12.10 )
$20 = £13.45 (+ 20% VAT = £16.14 )

Thing is they have set pricing structure now but these prices aren't inline with anything and the increases aren't uniform at all.

 

[Ravensmash]

This isn't surprising, the digital pricing/conversion strategy has always been weird.

Honestly, digital prices on PS3/360 suck at present -with new releases routinely going up for £20(!) more than the physical product sells for everywhere else.

This is the real hurdle for an digital focused next gen, not internet speeds or game trade ins....

 

[DeFiBkIlLeR]

not buying one. dont care.

Strange how the simplest approach is the easiest solution.

 

[Aostia]

and once again, first post for the victory

 

[Copenap]

I think some of you are missing OPs point. He's not argueing the overall $/£ conversion but rather the transition of the $/£ relationship from Xbox360 to XboxOne, which either means the $ prices got better (yeah right...) in relation to the £ prices or the £ prices got worse in relation to the $ prices.

 

[Gowans]

I think some of you are missing OPs point. He's not argueing the overall $/£ conversion but rather the transition of the $/£ relationship from Xbox360 to XboxOne, which either means the $ prices got better (yeah right...) in relation to the £ prices or the £ prices got worse in relation to the $ prices.

Exactly. Thank you.

 

[MikeJAMoran]

We had this chat in the old thread when they stuffed up the point conversion here;
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=618336

Thing is they have set pricing structure now but these prices aren't inline with anything and the increases aren't uniform at all.

Yeah, the lack of uniformity is annoying.

I do hope both Sony and MS make sure there's no damn £49.99 digital versions like day and date releases this gen.

I would never buy a new retail game on PSN, for example, because whoever sets the prices is a nutcase!

 

[IdreamofHIME]

The whole start next gen is gonna be painful for UK'ers. Retailers really seem focused on screwing us pretty hard. The retail prices for games is fucking nuts and really the kind of greedy grab that could finally ruin the UK market.
GAME locking their final XBONE orders into £600+ bundles shows how low these bastards will sink.

 

[DrDamn]

Also Xbox One Full Retail Game [Based on Amazon.co.uk listings]
$60 / £47 [Was £40 - Increase of 18%][/INDENT]

This always happens at the start of a new generation. The RRP is the same across generations but the cut the retailers take appears to be higher (maybe the cost to them is higher too). The UK has fairly messed up retail with discounting to US prices dependent on retail actually doing it. US has RRP of $60 and that is what the shops charge. UK has RRP of £55 and retail charge anything from £37-£55.

 

[Shadders]

So wait, are you saying that VAT is added on to the US XBL Digital purchases on top of the price displayed? I never knew that..

So that $4.99 Killer Instinct bundle will cost like $6? Did this used to happen with Microsoft points too?

 

[madmackem]

The whole start next gen is gonna be painful for UK'ers. Retailers really seem focused on screwing us pretty hard. The retail prices for games is fucking nuts and really the kind of greedy grab that could finally ruin the UK market.
GAME locking their final XBONE orders into £600+ bundles shows how low these bastards will sink.

Yep they will try to take our eyes out at launch on top of ms miss pricing.

 

[Acheteedo]

Also Xbox One Full Retail Game [Based on Amazon.co.uk listings]
$60 / £47 [Was £40 - Increase of 18%][/INDENT]

This one makes the most sense, $60 is £38.53, add 20% VAT you get £46.24, so £47 is fair.

 

[LeeRoyBrown]

US gamers have it so cheap man, its crazy.

Yeah but they earn less than you!

BS etc.... excuses

 

[Eojay]

Also Xbox One Full Retail Game [Based on Amazon.co.uk listings]
$60 / £47 [Was £40 - Increase of 18%][/INDENT]

Retail games are always more expensive at the start of a new gen. 360 and PS3 games were around the same price when those systems came out. It should (hopefully) settle down eventually after launch.

 

[Sportbilly]

Plants Vs Zombies Garden Warfare [EA]
$39.99 / £39.99 [Should be £29.99 - Increase of 33%]

WTF? Even the 'should be' price is ridiculous. £30-40 for a PvZ game??

 

[Cindres]

With sales tax in the US, if something is $60, does it actually cost more when you go to purchase because of sales tax?

 

[Gowans]

Tax etc. isn't the issue here, this topic isn't about the price we pay in the UK against the US prices.

It's about the fact the US prices remain the same (with or without tax) the UK prices are increasing (with or without tax) for next gen (without any reason on uniformity).

 

[twobear]

Well it costs a lot of money to ship those bits across the Atlantic.

 

[Linkified]

WTF? Even the 'should be' price is ridiculous. £30-40 for a PvZ game??

Well it is being released as a boxed product as well. And based on Next Gen retail pricing is around £50-55 per game. SO it is still budget pricing.

 

[JustinBbad]

With sales tax in the US, if something is $60, does it actually cost more when you go to purchase because of sales tax?

Yes, it depends on where you purchase the game as there are usually state and the local sales taxes built in. For instance, where I live there is a 7% sales tax. So a $60 game costs $64.20. However, many people order online and for some reason, no Internet sales tax has yet been imposed in many States.

 

[awanderingsoul]

The whole start next gen is gonna be painful for UK'ers. Retailers really seem focused on screwing us pretty hard. The retail prices for games is fucking nuts and really the kind of greedy grab that could finally ruin the UK market.
GAME locking their final XBONE orders into £600+ bundles shows how low these bastards will sink.

This isn't new for the start of the generation, I remember when Xbox 360 was coming out and I was running a hmv store I would only sell the consoles in £500-600 bundles including games that we had massive overstocks of. I remember the cheapest PSP bundle I was selling was £450 at launch!

Retailers are under such pressure to capitalise on the new hardware to boost the ever struggling market they are forced to lock customers into ridiculous deals.

I'll be buying my console from Sainsburys and then games from whoever has them cheapest, and if I'm not too fussed about having them on launch i'll pick them up for half the price on ebay a week or two later.

 

[Bony Manifesto]

It's about the fact the US prices remain the same (with or without tax) the UK prices are increasing (with or without tax) for next gen (without any reason on uniformity).

Publisher-specific buffoonery aside (EA's digital pricing outside the US is absurd) these prices are roughly about right though. The fact of the matter is that UK pricing on the 360 was originally set back when £1 would get you almost $2, and even as the exchange rate became less and less favorable for us Brits, the prices remained the same. So although it's always galling when prices go up, it's very much a case where, for the past few years, we've been paying less than we should have been for our Xbox Points.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

Yep, our cheap ride was destined to crash the moment they announced a shift from points to currency.

Ah well, my advice is to stock up on cheap points now. 4200 nets you just shy of £36 in currency. I was fortunate enough to buy 4 x 4200 for £26.98 each a couple of weeks ago so I'm set for the next few months.

 

[Visualante2]

Well it is being released as a boxed product as well. And based on Next Gen retail pricing is around £50-55 per game. SO it is still budget pricing.

For the launch period gouging only.

 

[Gowans]

Yeah the bad thing about the launch gouging is that it has a lasting 8 year effect on the console full game digital stores.


I really really hope some third parties sell digital download codes as options for retail game releases.

 

[nib95]

$40 and £40? Lol fuck off Microsoft, or whoever is responsible for the God awful conversion.

 

[funkystudent]

They are just adding Value!


But seriously the pricing situation on XBL / PSN is a mess.