frankie_baby
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if well made enough then i'd say it could
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Media Create Sales: Week 37, 2013 (Sep 09 - Sep 15)
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if well made enough then i'd say it could
It took me a day or two to realize that TGS was going on. I thought it was just the normal flow of news.
Not by itself. It's not like it could be followed by a stream of hunting / -mon games; I don't think either can be pumped out quickly by smaller companies.
Would definitely be very successful, if not at the heights of either of the series' portable entries.
Gamer @ Heart
Member
If its was good and manages to come out right after Nintendo's big hitters next spring, maybe. If it comes out a year and a half from now after the poke hype dies down and the inevitable 4G release, then I doubt it will have as big of an impact as they would hope.
Diprosalic
Banned
nintendo would never allow killing pokemon or killing with pokemon.
You wouldn't kill them or scavenge from them. Just beat them up with other Pokemon until they pass out and capture them for quests.
You catch Pokemon, but you also fight along side them. It's an action RPG. Probably set in Orre.
Anytime someone mentions Pokémon X Monster Hunter, one has to question whether people know how each series works.
The most likely collaboration between those two IPs we'll see is armor for hunters and/or felynes (I could see a Pikachu felyne armor being really popular). I don't see anything more than that happening.
The most likely collaboration between those two IPs we'll see is armor for hunters and/or felynes (I could see a Pikachu felyne armor being really popular). I don't see anything more than that happening.
frankie_baby
Member
i know how both work and i cant see any way a crossover game could work, however I've said before i guarantee there are people at Nintendo and capacom trying to work it out, i'd be surprised if they ever do but stranger things have happened
It could work if it was a game that used the tatics of a MH game to hunt down pokemon without actually harming or killing them. There are definitely better ips that Nintendo and Capcom could pair together though.
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
Nintendo should make a Monster Hunter Snap, and throw in Pokemon characters/locations in the mix. Or there should be cameras in Monster Hunter, like old-time crank cameras that take forever.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
Pokemon x Monster Hunter.
It's a fighting game duh.
It's a fighting game duh.
frankie_baby
Member
dunno what rating it has elsewhere but its mh3u is a 12 in europe
If Pokemon were included the rating would be lower due to the lack of blood and killing.
MH is 15+ in Japan.
shinra-bansho
Member
I thought there was similar talk about mash-up sales potential regarding SMTxFE.
Monster Hunter and Pokemon are obviously on another tier in terms of popularity, but I can't see how the game could even work for one thing, nor that it would necessarily see the success of the proper games, let alone "save" the Wii U.
For one thing, the latter is a handheld franchise and the former only exploded in popularity on handhelds.
Having a mainline iteration of either franchise on the Wii U seems a more realistic, albeit still improbable, prospect. And I don't think that would "save" the Wii U either.
I actually don't really get why people bring up the prospect of a console Pokemon. I thought the mechanics of the game were largely designed towards handheld gaming.
Monster Hunter and Pokemon are obviously on another tier in terms of popularity, but I can't see how the game could even work for one thing, nor that it would necessarily see the success of the proper games, let alone "save" the Wii U.
For one thing, the latter is a handheld franchise and the former only exploded in popularity on handhelds.
Having a mainline iteration of either franchise on the Wii U seems a more realistic, albeit still improbable, prospect. And I don't think that would "save" the Wii U either.
I actually don't really get why people bring up the prospect of a console Pokemon. I thought the mechanics of the game were largely designed towards handheld gaming.
Yeah they would take the place if felynes
get out
The entire series was made with handheld gaming in mind but people want it on console because they think it would be better for some reason.
Immaculate
Banned
So they would be skins basically
shinra-bansho
Member
It seems to come up so often as a #gamechanger.
I haven't played a Pokemon game in yonks, but I just don't see why people think it would see similar success on home systems. It doesn't seem like a game that would benefit from the increase in processing power consoles afford. It's intrinsically pick-up and play. The target demographic for the game and franchise as a whole, is children and teenagers (yes, many adults play and love Pokemon too, it has a broad general appeal, but that's still the primary demo, imo), which aligns well with the primary demo for handheld devices (at least in the West).
Are there any successful handheld to home console transitions really? (Or vice versa for that matter - I can think of Mon Hun and DQ.) Generally it just doesn't seem like shoehorning properties designed for one type of system onto the other works that well.
Pennies & Nickels
Banned
This sounds like an absolute trainwreck.
People just want a Pokémon game that has a really high graphical fidelity when they say they want it on home consoles. Not really much else to it and am not interested in seeing it and am quite happy with the way it is currently, and I imagine a majority are happy the way it is right now too.
When you say successful handheld to console transition, do you mean a series getting better sales from the transition?
Here's my idea for saving the Wii U in Japan: a steady stream of high quality titles that cater to both casual and hardcore gamers.
What do you think?
shinra-bansho
Member
Yeah, I'm trying to think of one off the top of my head - where a franchise moved from being primarily on handheld to primarily on home consoles and benefited from the transition commercially - and can't, but maybe I'm missing something glaringly obvious.
Isn't that an example of home console -> handheld, rather than handheld -> home console?
EDIT: I can already think of a few of the latter, but I'm drawing a blank on the former too.
Phantasy Star is one.
Oh thought you were looking for both.
Yea, I'm drawing a blank on handheld -> home console.
Oh thought you were looking for both.
Yea, I'm drawing a blank on handheld -> home console.
NeonZ
Member
Well, it wasn't the beginning of a "franchise", but the beginning of a series. The New Super Mario Bros series started on portables before going to Wii.
Super Robot Wars 1 was for the Gameboy, but quickly transitioned into a console focused franchise for a long time, although due to the PS3 transition they'd have more portable focus again recently.
The issue with Pokemon though is that Nintendo really should look at it as a first party too, not just software developer. Even if a console Pokemon couldn't match the numbers of the portable games and had higher development costs, it'd certainly do high numbers which could help moving any of their consoles, beating many of their other franchises. That wouldn't mean removing the franchise from portables or anything like that, just make a graphically enhanced version for consoles after the portable titles.
They seem to have no problems nowadays moving high selling console titles to portables, but seem to avoid even trying the reverse with their biggest portable series. Now, I guess X/Y might be showing that Gamefreak isn't really very proficient, considering how they were unable to implement 3d in the overworld in spite of the basic graphics, but they wouldn't need Gamefreak to do that kind of title. Just make another Pokemon RPG for consoles, but without going out of their way to not include basic features of the portable titles, like wild Pokemon, unlike what was done with the GameCube Pokemon RPGs.
Hero of Legend
Member
You know, going back to MH Frontier, what the fuck happened to that Benchmark mode that made the graphics far better?
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=316808
What became of this? Was it cancelled?
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=316808
What became of this? Was it cancelled?
Psh, tell me about it. A Namco Bandai "Tales of" Pokemon with romance and monster capturing like in Dawn of the New World though?...(Bullet trainwreck.) But seriously, I remember reading that it's Gamefreak who decides what happens with Pokemon and that if Nintendo were to make them do something they didn't want, all sorts of bad things would happen between the two companies.
jeremy1456
Junior Member
How about the SaGa series?
ArcaneFreeze
Member
A Monster Hunter x Pokemon game would probably use a more realistic take on Pokemon to match the Monster Hunter universe. It would still be recognizable enough to keep that Pokemon brand but different enough that it doesnt feel like your killing Pokemon.
I mean Im sure most people would be able to tell what Pokemon these are but theyre different enough to not feel bad enough about "killing" them.
I mean Im sure most people would be able to tell what Pokemon these are but theyre different enough to not feel bad enough about "killing" them.
Hero of Legend
Member
Well the most recent entries (non iOS) were two remakes of 2 and 3 for DS by Racjin. Why is there no 3DS remake I'll never know.
KillerTravis
Banned
Well at that point those wouldn't even be Pokemon right? It would lose the appeal. The theory is beyond ridiculous anyway, since Nintendo/TPC are not letting Pokemon be murdered or depicted that way.
ArcaneFreeze
Member
Like I said recognizable enough to be Pokemon but realistic enough to not feel like your actually killing Pokemon. Its a tough balance to achieve but it can be done. They'd just sell them as a more "realistic" depiction of Pokemon. Then of course you'd still get like a real Pikachu as your Felyne companion replacement or something. And stranger things have happened. Nintendo didn't want to depict their mascots beating the crap out of each other, then we got Smash Bros.
So while I was gone, we went from having no 3DS titles to this long list?
I don't recognize most of those games doe so iunno if they'll sell well or not.
Black Republican
Member
more like $DS
These games really aren't new lol.
there has to be some newly announced stuff on that list, right?
Seiken Densetsu?
shinra-bansho
Member
Hmm, just from a quick look, it seemed to sell slightly more (in terms of shipments), but not explosively more on the SNES than the GB.
So it could be an example of a game that successfully transitioned. But it's quite a historic example, and as an open world-ish JRPG series probably benefited from the transition to home consoles? I'm not sure what benefits home consoles bring to Pokemon's intrinsic gameplay.
Also, those realistic Pokemon are nightmare fuel.
Stardust Amazoness is the most recent one, from a couple weeks ago.
I think VitaminZ Revolution and the Attack on Titan game might be relatively recent as well. Either that, or they just had some more info revealed in recent Famitsus and I'm mistaking those for their announcements.
We only found out the release date for Attack on Titan this week but it was announced a few months back.
BlackLagoon
Member
There are a bunch coming to the Vita, though they're largely waifu filled and unlikely to leave Japan. There might be some decent budget indies coming though, if that is of any interest.
Slay 'em, Skin 'em, Wear 'em.
Haven't played XD, but Colosseum's is flawed due to more than just a lack of wild Pokemon. The overworld is a menu instead of something you can explore. There are very few optional areas. Breeding, contests, and other features were gone. The character design is significantly worse as well (example).
I'd figure that most of these problems stem from the game being more expensive to make and from the game being a lower priority than the handheld games. Neither are going to change any time soon, so it just ends up costing more to make a game of the same quality as the handheld ones.
Also, the only things that really made Colosseum unique among the the Pokemon RPGs were the 3D graphics and the edgier scenario. The former is being done on the 3DS now, the latter isn't exclusive to consoles and probably unwanted anyway.
Aside from the killing Pokemon thing, The Pokemon Company seems to be more protective of their images. Pokemon designs are rarely altered in games. There's Rumble and Ranch, but that was more likely to save memory when showing a large number of Pokemon on screen.
Beyond that, external guest monsters in either game would distract people from the games' own monsters, not a great idea when you want to sell a lot of merchandise. Consider the amount of work that would have to go into it for Monster Hunter too. What seems more likely are guest equipment in Monster Hunter as others have mentioned or chibi-styled Monster Hunter creatures (see the Felyne games) in some Pokemon spinoff.
Aquamarine
Member
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[B][U]Comgnet Software Sales Rankings: Week 38, 2013 (Sep 16 - Sep 22)[/U][/B]
01. [3DS] Monster Hunter 4 – 1041pt
[B]02. [PSV] Yahari Game Demo Ore no Seishun Love-Kome Hamachi Gatteiru. (Limited Edition) – 51pt[/B]
03. [3DS] Youkai Watch – 22pt
04. [3DS] Friend Collection: New Life – 15pt
05. [3DS] Animal Crossing: New Leaf – 15pt
06. [3DS] Disney Magic Castle: My Happy Life – 15pt
07. [PSP] God Eater: Burst (PSP the Best Reprint) – 14pt
08. [PS3] Final Fantasy XIV: A Real Reborn – 13pt
[B]09. [3DS] Nobunaga's Ambition – 13pt[/B]
10. [3DS] Mario & Luigi: Dream Team – 13pt
[B]11. [PSP] La Corda d'Oro 3: Full Voice Special – 9pt[/B]
12. [PS3] Splinter Cell: Blacklist – 9pt
[B]13. [PSV] Yahari Game Demo Ore no Seishun Love-Kome Hamachi Gatteiru. – 8pt[/B]
14. [3DS] Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon – 8pt
15. [PSV] Ragnarok Odyssey Ace – 7pt
16. [PS3] Puppeteer – 7pt
[B]17. [PS3] Phantom Breaker: Extra – 7pt[/B]
18. [PS3] JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: All-Star Battle – 7pt
19. [3DS] Kuma-Tomo – 7pt
20. [3DS] One Piece: Romance Dawn - Bouken no Yoake – 7pt
[B]* New releases are in bold
* 1 pt = 1 sale
3DS - 10
PS3 - 5
PSP - 3
PSV - 2[/B]No Tsutaya yet, but I'll post it when it releases.
DarkLordMalik
Member
So we should expect ~1 million for MH 4's second week? If this holds true, it is mighty impressive.