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Anyone else with this. I simply cannot watch any half hour comedy show that has laff tracks at every single uttered or muttered word. Way to fake, way to loud.
 
RatskyWatsky said:
Did the show ever improve or is it still a hot mess?
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Beautiful glorious hot mess. :D

They simper and cry at each other and everything is DRAMATIC and there was some guy who's evil nefarious plot was to basically drain ~the beasts~ blood and replace his own with it.
 
Leeness said:
Beautiful glorious hot mess. :D

They simper and cry at each other and everything is DRAMATIC and there was some guy who's evil nefarious plot was to basically drain ~the beasts~ blood and replace his own with it.
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Please tell me his name was Gaston and that he could sing a rollicking good bar song.
 
AngmarsKing701 said:
Please tell me his name was Gaston and that he could sing a rollicking good bar song.
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Sadly no. I don't even remember his name even though he was in the entire back half of the show. But he was ~evil~ and would get what he wanted NO MATTER THE COST.

He got shot in the face

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omg never mind he's alive.

RatskyWatsky said:
So bad it's good, eh? Sounds...fun. :P
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I dunno, I kind of love it, it's hilarious. There's Twilightish sex scenes with ~beautiful pop music~ and sighing and DRAMA and model-cops and the two model-cops "guuuuurl" at each other all the time, and apparently the opener to season 2 has anmesia. AMNESIA. Which means that she will have to get him to ~remember their love~.

Omg. Hahaha.
 
Leeness said:
Sadly no. I don't even remember his name even though he was in the entire back half of the show. But he was ~evil~ and would get what he wanted NO MATTER THE COST.

He got shot in the face

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omg never mind he's alive.



I dunno, I kind of love it, it's hilarious. There's Twilightish sex scenes with ~beautiful pop music~ and sighing and DRAMA and model-cops and the two model-cops "guuuuurl" at each other all the time, and apparently the opener to season 2 has anmesia. AMNESIA. Which means that she will have to get him to ~remember their love~.

Omg. Hahaha.
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So... it's written by 15 year old girls. Gotcha.
 
NotTheGuyYouKill said:
How terrible is Kristen Kreuk in that show?
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DRAMATIQUE.

I dunno, she plays a badass decently enough and everyone on the show huffs and sighs in the same way, so they're probably all terrible, but they're all terrible ~together~.

Hahahahaha.

"We're meant to be even if you don't remember it. Look on the bright side: we get to fall in love all over again!"

"What if we don't?"

"I already told you: we're destined."

As I Can't Make You Love me plays in the background and they kiss with sad eyes and then everyone cries.

Lmao. Okay I'll stop.
 
Premiering today:

The Biggest Loser - NBC - 8/7c

The Originals - The CW - 8/7c

Supernatural - The CW - 9/8c

Superheroes: A Never-Ending Battle - PBS - 9/8c

League of Denial: The NFL’s Concussion Crisis - PBS - 10/9c
 
Leeness said:
DRAMATIQUE.

I dunno, she plays a badass decently enough and everyone on the show huffs and sighs in the same way, so they're probably all terrible, but they're all terrible ~together~.

Hahahahaha.

"We're meant to be even if you don't remember it. Look on the bright side: we get to fall in love all over again!"

"What if we don't?"

"I already told you: we're destined."

As I Can't Make You Love me plays in the background and they kiss with sad eyes and then everyone cries.

Lmao. Okay I'll stop.
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Good Lord.
 
Hello Ladies episode 2 - "How about we watch Battleship Potemkin?" "Oh, is that the one with Rihanna?"

omg this show is a riot!
 
RatskyWatsky said:
Hello Ladies episode 2 - "How about we watch Battleship Potemkin?" "Oh, is that the one with Rihanna?"

omg this show is a riot!
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This post made me finally go watch the first two episodes. I really liked it, but these types of shows are so hard to watch for me. So damn uncomfortable. The second episode with the paparazzi was hilarious.
 
Premiering today:

Full Circle - Audience - 8/7c

Arrow - The CW - 8/7c

The Tomorrow People - The CW - 9/8c

NOVA “Megastorm Aftermath” - PBS - 9/8c

Call Me Fitz - Audience - 9/8c

Less Than Kind - Audience - 9:30/8:30c

Big Tip Texas - MTV - 10/9c

American Horror Story: Coven - FX - 10/9c

Reviews:

Variety - Full Circle

The result self-consciously approximates the feel of a stage play--a trifle theatrical and showy, admittedly, but nevertheless oddly addictive as you wait to see how one story will bleed into the next.
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NY Daily News - Full Circle

It’s a half hour you won’t regret spending.
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SF Gate - Full Circle

No one comes off as very likable in the four episodes sent to critics, but all the characters are fascinating, often as much for what we suspect about their inner nature as for what they say aloud.
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AV Club - The Tomorrow People

It’s an episode of television that exists at the intersection of Marvel’s superpowers-as-puberty metaphors and the half-baked cultural upheaval of True Blood—with a Whedon-esque anti-authoritarian streak thrown in for good measure. The show could devolve into a grab bag of familiar themes and tropes down the line, but its pilot does a remarkable job of synthesizing a cohesive introduction out of those disparate parts.
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NY Times - The Tomorrow People

It’s competently assembled and has a bland stylishness. What it lacks, at this point, is any kick in its storytelling: There are alienation, daddy issues and a looming love triangle, but they’re all pro forma.
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Tim Goodman - The Tomorrow People

It has a stupid title and a stupid premise and, among its many transgressions against watchable entertainment, it really doesn’t make much sense (you know, on top of the acting and the writing and whatnot).

(read the whole thing though)
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alright just finished Tomorrow People. Goddamn they left in the can't kill shit in. UGH
that mean the chance of rival group or them with plan to kill off the human
God I do hope that Uncle is actually genuine and actually care for his brother family and do hope Stephen working for him last more than a couple of episode

anyway the pilot was just alright, just barely enough to intrigue me for a couple of more episode
 
This episode of Super Fun Night is simultaneously depressing and not a lot is working, but I'm still laughing at a lot of Rebel's one liners.

I thiiiiiiiiiiiink there's a show here. I just want to laugh with the character, not at them.
 
Premiering today:

Once Upon a Time in Wonderland - ABC - 8/7c

The Vampire Diaries - The CW - 8/7c

Reviews:

SF Gate - 'Once Upon a Time in Wonderland' review

The plot is a little overstuffed, but the special effects, crisp direction and high-octane performances keep us interested enough to follow Alice down the rabbit hole.
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Boston Globe - ‘Wonderland’: Down the digital rabbit hole

A slick effects extravaganza whose pilot episode kept me looking instead of enjoying.
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Pittsburgh Post-Gazette - TV review: 'Once Upon a Time in Wonderland'

Ultimately, the story doesn’t really matter because the characters are paper thin and efforts to make Alice more than a damsel in distress--she’s a skull-crushing, tree climber--don’t really add much depth.
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Is there an OT for Once Upon A Time In Wonderland? I need to warn people to get ready for Emma Rigby.
 
The Tomorrow People: Stephen! Stephen! Stephen! Stephen! Stephen! Stephen! Stephen! Stephen! Stephen! Stephen! Stephen! Stephen! Stephen! Stephen! Stephen! Stephen! Stephen! Stephen! Stephen! Stephen! Stephen! Stephen! Stephen! Stephen! Stephen! Stephen! Has the CW used a set in a TV show in the last five years or is it all chromakeyed set extensions all the time now? If the guy's powers don't work in the ULTRA interrogation room, why would the genetic inability to kill still happen in the room? Why doesn't Stephen (Stephen! Stephen!) show Astrid his powers BEFORE telling her instead of after, where he looks like a boob because he's bragged about it and now can't deliver? Why does Stephen (Stephen!) activate his telekinetic powers when a bully punches him, but can't teleport out of the ULTRA car caravan--for that reason, how on earth would ULTRA ever capture the teleporting people? Like most shows with superpowers, they sort of get used when they're convenient and not when they're not. Stephen (Stephen!) is supposed to be in high school but he looks late 20s. How many grades has he failed? If Homo Superior are a separate species, how do they breed with humans? How come at the beginning of the episode Anonymous Good Guy is told not to use his powers in public but by the middle of the episode he has no problem doing so after he drops off STEPHEN at home! Maybe I'm overthinking this stuff. Still, I rate this show a 10/10 because there was no product placement for Microsoft Surface. Yet.

It's a pretty dull pilot. Superhero stuff doesn't work that well for me in general. But I think the better elements in superhero stories involve rich metaphors for human social issues, or at least audiovisual spectaculars and this isn't really either. It's not terrible. I find the cuts a lot more deliberate and less rapid-fire music video than Arrow, so that's a positive. Everyone is predictably easy on the eyes. I think probably the thing that makes it dull is that it basically feels pretty derivative. Lost father, origin story, found family, evil government agency, chosen one... pretty much an A-Z checklist of the tropes.

Suggested drinking game: Count how many times the main character's name is said in the pilot.
 
Back in the Game: Getting better with each episode.

Sean Saves the World: Second episode was much better than the pilot but there still isn't anything there worth watching.

Super Fun Night: [embarrassed]I laughed at some parts in the second episode.[/embarrassed]

The Crazy Ones: Starting to wear a little too thin.

The Millers: Second episode was probably weaker than the first. There isn't really much there.

Welcome to the Family: I really shouldn't like this but the show has a heart. Hopefully it will continues to improve.

Dads, Mom and Trophy Wife are just as bad as their first episodes. Stinkers.
 
Once Upon a Time in Wonderland is sort of a weird pilot. I've only seen an episode or two of the original series which I did not like and I confess that I probably spent about half the length of this episode trying to figure out how this was a spinoff rather than a relatively straightforward adaptation of Wonderland... and the answer to that is apparently it's not really a spinoff of Once Upon a Time, except that it combines both Wonderland and 1001 Arabian Nights?? OK? I still don't really understand how Knave got from present day somewhere to Victorian London? Why not just write him as being in Victorian London to begin with?

In general I think the pilot didn't really convey an even tone. There were parts that felt like they were supposed to be whimsical in a sort of real-world way (knock-off POTC music playing as Alice escapes the asylum, Alice and Cyrus' showdown agains the Red Queen's troops on the cliff), there were parts that were definitely leaning on the melodrama, and then there were parts that tried to evoke a real childlike wonder. I think the tone was almost certainly hampered by the disasterously low quality chromakey, CG backgrounds, and worst of all--CG characters. It might not be possible to do a series like this visual justice on a TV budget if Oz couldn't really look at all that wonderful when Disney had a $200 million budget in Oz the Great and Powerful. Almost all of the acting against CG targets appeared stilted and disconnected.

I do think the cast is OK (the girl playing Alice could probably get into films at some point. She is able to sell that she's searching for her feared-dead love, because it's clear that the scenes between her and Cyrus didn't sell it to us) except that both villains have nothing to work with. The Red Queen is a joke. Her ample lips give her a permanent pout. She really wasn't fearsome at all. The scene where she tells Rabbit she'll have him stuffed if he doesn't cooperate is sort of emblematic of every problem with the show--the background doesn't really match the lighting on the characters, she's acting against a CG rabbit, and she looks ridiculous. Naveen Andrews is pathetic as Jafar, whose role in the pilot is limited mostly to menacing hand-waving. It's such a wimpy performance, with none of the sly cunning of Disney's Jafar or the internalized intensity of Andrews' last role as Sayid on Lost.

The script has some of the worst aspects of pilots. Alice's interview at the asylum is terrible expository dialogue, real "my father the king" level pilot info dump garbage. We're teased with details of these rich backstory--Alice and Cyrus' love is particularly unconvincing, but even the tale of "what Knave did after Alice left" is just constantly teased in a really irritating way. This is mostly pilot-itis but it's also the difficulty of adapting a classic property that already has a memorable adaptation and that you're adapting as a spinoff of another property that adapts yet other properties in ways that are sometimes consistent and sometimes inconsistent with source material. Is this stuff we're going to find out in the series?

It's obviously an unusual type of material for TV so I'm sure it'll find its footing better as time goes on if it gets the chance to. I don't think I'm compelled to continue with the series. I really think budget concerns have a substantial impact on the ability to execute this to the level that it should be executed.
 
Porn Star Red Queen was one of the more bizarre aspects of Wonderland. And that's saying something, since there were many truly odd elements in that pilot.

That being said, the young woman playing Alice is an exceptional talent. I hope she finds success elsewhere -- she really sold some odious dialog as earnest.
 
NotTheGuyYouKill said:
Is it worth watching the pilot for the girl who plays Alice? You guys seem to think she's too good for the show.
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She's fantastic, but a lot of the complaints about the terrible CG-green-screen quality is actually just still in OUAT and I think most of us just accept it at this point (it really is bad but yeah). The only problem is Wonderland is probably going to be CG-heavy, so lower expectations in that department. Whether or not the acting/writing/pacing picks up is well, up to them. I rather enjoyed the scenes with her and Cyrus a bit but it was still exposition heavy. Hopefully we see something more substantive between them, seeing as he didn't have much screen time at all.

To explain Alice being in Victorian London and the Knave being transported to present-day Storybrooke, it's probably just a multiverse thing. There are other worlds that are like Earth (it gets expanded a bit in S2 with Dr. Frankenstein world being science-y/black and white/sorta mid-19th, early-20th century western European type of stuff), so it's not far off that Alice is just from another world rather than Doctor Who levels of wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey. But poorly explained a bit.
 
I tried to warn you about the girl playing the Red Queen haha! She used to be in a soap over here. That's about her level currently to be honest.
 
We Are Men Series Finale (episode 1x02) - I thought this was a better episode than the pilot. Of course it's very safe material (the gang breaks into Jerry O'Connell's ex-wife's house to steal his dog back--it plays like a heist comedy). They tone down the gender stuff a little, it's less antagonistic. The main character, whose name I forget, gets somewhat of a resolution as the episode ends implying he'll get to date Shalhoub's daughter.
 
Stumpokapow said:
We Are Men Series Finale (episode 1x02) - I thought this was a better episode than the pilot. Of course it's very safe material (the gang breaks into Jerry O'Connell's ex-wife's house to steal his dog back--it plays like a heist comedy). They tone down the gender stuff a little, it's less antagonistic. The main character, whose name I forget, gets somewhat of a resolution as the episode ends implying he'll get to date Shalhoub's daughter.
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The brought on one of my favorite sitcom writers as the co-EP to steer it in a better direction. Glad to see it happened. Hope she can land something better.
 
Eagleheart is returning November 14th on Adult Swim.

http://www.avclub.com/articles/eagleheart,104183/

Chris Elliott’s Eagleheart returns to Adult Swim for a third season beginning November 14. But unlike previous seasons, which featured disconnected episodic and surreal flights of fancy while sending up Walker, Texas Ranger, this year the show carries the subtitle Paradise Rising for its serialized 10-episode story.
The trailer for the upcoming season predicts a dark world of doom and destruction ahead for Chris Monsanto as he investigates a conspiracy within the Marshals that forces him to go on the run, where he encounters a fake Martin Sheen and seems to hook up with his deputy Brett Gelman. But hey, at least there’s a briefcase full of loose pizza slices out there somewhere. That should take the edge off when blood is raining all around.
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And the biggest mistake that will ever happen to television is almost upon us,

The Pete Holmes Show will be starting on Oct 28th after Conan.
 
Premiering today:

Toy Story of Terror - ABC - 8/7c

NATURE “Saving Otter 501” - PBS - 8/7c

NOVA “Making Stuff …” - PBS - 9/8c

Burton and Taylor - BBC America - 9/8c

Raw to Ready - PBS - 10/9c

Reviews:

SF Gate - 'Burton and Taylor' review: Loves of their lives

All of this would be so much Hollywood melodrama were it not for a superb script and stunning performances by West and Carter.
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AV Club - Burton And Taylor

Burton And Taylor is not comprehensive or perfect as a film--the direction in particular is lackluster--but as a character study in both writing and acting it is, as Burton says of Taylor herself, “peerless.”
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NY Times - A Spark Snuffed by Drink and Ire
‘Burton and Taylor’

The result is surprisingly interesting, fun and, at times, even quite moving.
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Premiering today:

Reign - The CW - 9/8c

White Collar - USA - 9/8c

Covert Affairs - USA - 10/9c

Reviews:

AV Club - Reign

The script by Laurie McCarthy and Stephanie SenGupta never finds a wholly convincing Venn diagram intersection between period piece and teen soap, but it also doesn’t bother trying, hoping it can turn insane tonal shifts into a virtue by stepping on the gas. That this approach mostly works is thanks to their script being unafraid to unleash the crazy and the surprisingly beautiful direction from Brad Silberling, who makes the most of an Irish location shoot the rest of the series won’t have the advantage of.
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Variety - Reign

All told, the series--handsomely shot in Ireland--represents what amounts to a sleight-of-hand act--an attempt by CW to look like it’s trying something different while really just churning out more of the same, albeit with more splendid settings and ornate costumes.
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LA Times - Reign

With an attitude far more 16th century than anything in the actual show, the CW assumes its (mostly female) viewers are either too stupid or too narcissistic to appreciate the actual drama of a young queen in a foreign court. So instead Reign offers yet another sexed-up version of high school.
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The Millers is really broad... So is Sean Saves the World, but, watching both episodes... wow, Sean Saves the World is considerably better at being both broad and watchable. Faint praise, I know, but still.
 
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