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[sportz103]

Where are the better textures... All I see is contrast differences and grainynes in XBO version

The entire main ground texture on PS4 is not the same as the one on PC and XBO.

 

[oldnick]

I'm not trolling, it's my opinion, but I genuinely feel this is a letdown, because:

-the maps are small
-the engine, althought updated, still shows some age
-we really could have expected 1080p for next gen from the 'staple' FPS

 

[uncharted86]

if I were DF, I will always compare WiiU and Xbone in face offs. while comparing PS4 and PC separately.

That would not get them many clicks.

 

[travisbickle]

A weak system couldn't produce games that look as good as Ryse, Forza 5 and Quantum break.

It is not a weak system just weaker than the PS4.

multi-platform games will always favor the stronger system, and exclusives will get the most out of the available power.

 

[TAJ]

I remember playing games in 720p on my Xbox1. It was awesome.
Oh, you mean the one coming out in a few weeks? Well, shit...

 

[zainetor]

Crytek aren't first party. Killer Instinct is 720p and 60 fps too. There are differences between these games, but 720p and 60 fps sure seems to be a very common outcome, at this point.

Forza is 1080p 60.
Ki has started development in late 2012 by a small team of people. they could probably make the game at1080p with more time and resources.

 

[IAmRandom31]

I really hope this is a sign that the rumors about the hardware and toolset being so behind and last min other than this being a constant hardware issue.

I'm pretty sure my 3 year old PC will run this cod at 1080p... MS really dropped the ball here I mean battlefield I somewhat get but COD?

This all but confirms for me all multiplatforms I get will be on PS4.

Watch that attach rate drop this gen MS.

Hell my weak 6770 is running Battlefield 4 @ 900p, full Ultra, no AA, SSAO. 30-60fps depending on situation. Dips below 30 during those absolutely insane SP moments.

When I drop it down to 720p, it turns insanely ugly but atleast then I can turn on some AA, HBAO and such, full Ultra without issues.

Knowing the X1 version is 720p, no AA, no AO, no nothing is ... shocking ...

Then you have Call of Duty of all games, not pushing any graphical boundaries at all running 720p also. Again shocking. I will likely be able to play on my 6770 without issues @ 900p.

 

[bigboss370]

so when do we get the actual comparisons like we kinda got for BF4?

are we expecting resolution to be the only difference, or effects and lighting as well like battlefield?

 

[dolabla]

Lol. Just tells you how bad of a job DF did.

 

[BigDug13]

The entire main ground texture on PS4 is not the same as the one on PC and XBO.

I thought it was said that some ground textures, just like the camouflage uniform itself, was something that is randomly generated each time?

 

[sTaTIx]

A weak system couldn't produce games that look as good as Ryse, Forza 5 and Quantum break.

We've seen nothing of Quantum Break running on actual Xbox One hardware. The footage we have seen was a cutscene, likely running on PCs "approximating" Xbox One capabilties.

Ryse is a scripted, QTE-filled hack-and-slasher, with limited AI and physics calculations. Plus, it's Crytek; they have great engineers and artists that can even make games on the 7-8 year old PS3 and 360 look good.

 

[IN&OUT]

I wouldn't be surprise if Forza was downgraded to 900p before launch.

 

[NTIETS13A_Superiority]

The entire main ground texture on PS4 is not the same as the one on PC and XBO.

I saw that... I was asking where were those better textures.

Edit: PS. I watched those pics pixel to pixel ratio in my 900p laptop screen so it was fairly zoomed, but it also showed clearly how much better ps4 screen looked. No detail lost in ps4 pic and grainyness (blackcrush + sharpen... bad) in spots in XBO pic.
Edit2: Have to say LeadButter did not watch these pics very closely. Such a pro is he, eh.

 

[Jack_AG]

With this much of a pile on the past few days I'm curious what IW, Albert, Nelson and even unrelated 3rd party devs think.

You know they are following the thread

Spoiler

Hi guys!

and it must take every ounce of strength to not have a meltdown here. Especially after the crap Albert and Hryb have been spewing up to this point. It must be a really difficult.

 

[Bgamer90]

I wouldn't be surprise if Forza was downgraded to 900p before launch.

Heh, it seems like everything is running fine -- at least according to people who have played it. Highly doubt it will be.

 

[Zatoichi's Cane]

And this is why shit like this shouldnt be allowed. lmao

It's pretty funny to watch people fall for it lol

 

[SwiftDeath]

I wouldn't be surprise if Forza was downgraded to 900p before launch.

Nah lighting is not dynamic. I'm sure turn 10 can get it 1080p 60fps

 

[ypo]

Looks like PS4 is the machine for the lazy 99%er devs.

 

[thelastword]

I wish devs would explain why this is happening at the very least. I mean Ryse looks amazing even at 900p and yet somehow COD can not pull at least that res? Makes no sense to me other than first party devs have had more time and energy to get things working right for launch.

Well it is a reworked engine, if you follow much earlier this year there was a trailer from IW which detailed a somewhat more robust lighting engine alongside many new features not found in current gen Cod games. Link is here:

So it's not simply the MW3 engine, there's more polys, better textures, environmental tessalation just to name a few; to be honest, watching the Cod Ghosts story trailer, I'm much more impressed with what I see there in terms of effects and IQ over what AC4 Black Flag is dishing out for the next gen consoles. Do not be fooled by persons who tell you that ghosts is simply MW3 at 1080p, even the specs for PC is more demanding as opposed to that of their last game.

 

[Pop]

I wouldn't be surprise if Forza was downgraded to 900p before launch.

Wouldn't surprise me but even at 1080p it doesn't look impressive.

 

[alr1ght]

Here's COD4 at 720 upscaled (via PS bicubic) and 1080 native

everything turned on in the settings.

 

[brain_stew]

Its more embrassing for Infinity Ward as a developer that can't get the game running at 1080p.

They've got it running at 1080p on the only next generation console on the market. Microsoft didn't release a console that is a true generational leap forward, so they're left with an aliased 720p mess of a half way house.

 

[IN&OUT]

I wish devs would explain why this is happening at the very least. I mean Ryse looks amazing even at 900p and yet somehow COD can not pull at least that res? Makes no sense to me other than first party devs have had more time and energy to get things working right for launch.

I can explain it to you.....






Xbone is very weak with major bottleneck in the memory system (esram)

 

[Jack_AG]

I wouldn't be surprise if Forza was downgraded to 900p before launch.

If they decide to add in more bells and whistles like its somewhat direct, but delayed competition they might have to if the tools and hardware aren't up to the task.

 

[Kabuki Quantum Lover]

Here's COD4 at 720 upscaled (via PS bicubic) and 1080 native

everything turned on in the settings.

Yeah, but the Xbox One's scaler is like 1000x Photoshop. It produces the feel of 1080p.

 

[tino]

This thread will break GAF.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

In before the 'wait and til Leadbetter and DF cover this up for XB1 with their botched captures...' ?

 

[Demon Ice]

Nah lighting is not dynamic. I'm sure turn 10 can get it 1080p 60fps

The lighting in Forza isn't dynamic?

 

[Neutralfanboy]

Embarrassing. COD literally has nothing on BF4 now, they used to have the fps advantage but now they are totally outclassed by DICE.

 

[Skeff]

I wouldn't be surprise if Forza was downgraded to 900p before launch.

Pretty sure Forza will remain 1080p, though I think it would look better at 720 as there are too many compromises made for 1080p IMO.

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Also, we're back at blaming infinity ward? smh... they have CoD:Ghosts running at 1080p on another platform and they're not the only Devs cutting resolution on XB1.

The lighting in Forza isn't dynamic?

No, there are a few tricks they are using though to make it look a little better but it still falls well short of Dynamic lighting. Forza is using a lot of "tricks" to cut corners and provide imitations of certain effects.

 

[Dahbomb]

Yeah, but the Xbox One's scaler is like 1000x Photoshop. It produces the feel of 1080p.

DmC PR has been ingrained into the minds of gamers everywhere!

Thanks Itsuno!

 

[nib95]

I wish devs would explain why this is happening at the very least. I mean Ryse looks amazing even at 900p and yet somehow COD can not pull at least that res? Makes no sense to me other than first party devs have had more time and energy to get things working right for launch.

Ryse is an exclusive, plus a very linear, scripted, focused and close quarters game. It also runs at half the frame rate of BF4 and COD.

 

[Jack_AG]

The lighting in Forza isn't dynamic?

Correct.

 

[IN&OUT]

The lighting in Forza isn't dynamic?

Nope, just like Dreamcast days.

 

[brain_stew]

Here's COD4 at 720 upscaled (via PS bicubic) and 1080 native

everything turned on in the settings.

Using a game that has MSAA completely distorts this comparison.

 

[frizby]

So the Xbox, the console for FPS fans, has two FPSs at launch, and both are 720p. And their March FPS is 720p as well.

Meanwhile, the PS4 has three FPSs at 1080p plus another at 900p at launch. And Planetside 2 is in development.

Wow.

 

[Demon Ice]

Correct.

Nope, just like Dreamcast days.

Wow. Well, gotta cut those corners to get to 1080p60 I suppose.

I guess I'll be making the extremely difficult choice of getting the stronger console for $100 less. What a dilemma.

 

[Brain of J]

Well, I'm old with bad eyesight so any resolution over 480p looks the same to me! (This is my attempt to snuggle comfortably into the Acceptance zone that I'm paying $100 more for a weaker, rushed, hard-to-develop-for system).

 

[Unknown One]

Embarrassing. COD literally has nothing on BF4 now, they used to have the fps advantage but now they are totally outclassed by DICE.

60 fps is not the main reason why it sells. It sells because it's super accessible. Anybody can pick up and play it and the metagame keeps people playing. There is a reason why we are seeing more points for killing people in fps and leveling.

Accessibility is the main reason. You can kill easily and you respawn almost instantly. It's less frustrating for new comers compared to other games.

 

[E92 M3]

So - I read every single page of this thread. Shit is cray; I'm glad the insiders can say "told you so" before launch.

Some places on the internet still have this guy's level of denial:

 

[IN&OUT]

Well, I'm old with bad eyesight so any resolution over 480p looks the same to me! (This is my attempt to snuggle comfortably into the Acceptance zone that I'm paying $100 more for a weaker, rushed, hard-to-develop-for system).

Does MS force people to buy Xbone?

 

[VibratingDonkey]

Where are the better textures... All I see is contrast differences and grainynes in XBO version

Surprised people are having such difficulties with this. It's pretty blatant to my eyes. Pretty much the entire darn ground texture is different. Are you like switching between just the Xbox and PC ones?
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=88110283&postcount=1765

The entire main ground texture on PS4 is not the same as the one on PC and XBO.

Thank you.

 

[Demon Ice]

60 fps is not the main reason why it sells. It sells because it's super accessible. Anybody can pick up and play it and the metagame keeps people playing. There is a reason why we are seeing more points for killing people in fps and leveling.

Accessibility is the main reason. You can kill easily and you respawn almost instantly. It's less frustrating for new comers compared to other games.

60 FPS was a pretty huge bragging point, actually. Even gamers that were unfamiliar with the technicality of frame rates would say CoD "felt" better, more responsive.

Now Battlefield 4 is offering that level of response with graphics that are miles ahead of CoD, and gameplay that is more interesting.

 

[x-Lundz-x]

I just read through the reddit comments in their thread. I think acceptance has set in.

 

[ilMikhail]

multi-platform games will always favor the stronger system, and exclusives will get the most out of the available power.

that’s not true , you didn't learn nothing from this gen ??

 

[velociraptor]

I don't want just the end result, but the why and beyond specs. Poor dev kits? Problems with esram?

I'm not buying that this is due to limitation of specs alone.

- ESRAM
- Weaker architecture
- Poor dev tools

 

[frizby]

Well, I'm old with bad eyesight so any resolution over 480p looks the same to me! (This is my attempt to snuggle comfortably into the Acceptance zone that I'm paying $100 more for a weaker, rushed, hard-to-develop-for system).

You, you've been taught
Whipped into shape, now they got you in line
Stand behind the stripes
There will be order, so give it good mind

The whole world will be different soon (when you buy a PS4)
The whole world will be relieved

 

[bigboss370]

nvm.

 

[Tabular]

I have a funny feeling Xbone will look better in screen comparisons (unless you view them at 1080p). The PS4 is not 125% more powerful anyway you look at it. I'm guessing Xbone will be better in a few ways to somewhat make up for the raw pixel pushing that the PS4 can do. Maybe even better models, tessellation or textures.

 

[velociraptor]

that’s not true , you didn't learn nothing from this gen ??

The PS3 is only 30-40 GFLOPS stronger than the 360. And it was much more difficult to program for.

The PS4 is over 530 (630 if you include 10%) GFLOPS stronger than the Xbox One. And it's much more easier to program for.