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[Crimson_Gold]

Just read that Ghosts only supports 12 players online now on current gen. Wtf are they doing???

perhaps that is their way of getting people to go next gen, Next gen is more fun because it is prettier and has more people to play with

 

[EmCeeGramr]

Have you ever considered that with that 125% increase of pixels, it's not a 125% increase in fun? In fact, I bet all that time spent allocating resources towards 1080p, IW couldn't fit in as much fun as the 720p versions. Just something to mull over.

 

[DarkoMaledictus]

OMG this thread just keeps getting better and better lol

I swear people are going to start saying 720p is much better than 1080p very soon now... lol!

 

[Pop]

framrate is king for IW and CoD games...something they should be commended for...they may not make the prettiest games...but they perform and play well...

That hardly holds weight anymore. Next gen mp games are 60fps now. IW and Treyarch have got to up the graphics and actually try. Treyarch will bring the goods next year.

 

[Skeff]

I swear people are going to start saying 720p is much better than 1080p very soon now... lol!

They already are....smh...

 

[Raist]

Lazy devs strike again. I mean obviously if IW can't even get their shitty looking game to run at 1080p on XB1, they're just plain incompetent. Same goes for Dice.
It's quite obvious at this point that they have seen Titanfall, and as it pretty much looks like Respawn is the new MS golden child, they just got jealous and decided to botch their game. And sabotage DF's capture equipment.

I mean compared to Crytek who can put out CG looking stuff at 1080p native with Ryse, that just seals the deal.

Still, all these tests are not done in the proper conditions. Y'all be laughing a lot less once the Cloud goes Live.

 

[Tabular]

Doubtful. They aren't going 720p so they can bump up visuals. They are going 720p just to keep up with the PS4 at the targeted build. Dropping resolution AND effects at present is the only way they can.

Add to that, no point pushing better textures if it's going to be 720p upscaled. Pointless as some degree of blur with kill details either way.

You could be right. (I hope you are) But I will be shocked if the difference is over double the performance. I want that to be the case as I am a Sony fan and have a PS4 preordered but I was sure not counting on such a huge gap. I've heard a lot about 50% better performance so that I could understand. But over 100%.?

 

[cakefoo]

Stupid zoom n cropping time!

I lied, I didn't actually zoom.

Texture position, not detail.

 

[Sword Of Doom]

I have a funny feeling Xbone will look better in screen comparisons (unless you view them at 1080p). The PS4 is not 125% more powerful anyway you look at it. I'm guessing Xbone will be better in a few ways to somewhat make up for the raw pixel pushing that the PS4 can do. Maybe even better models, tessellation or textures.

So Infinity Ward gimped the PS4 version by making it 1080p?

 

[IN&OUT]

Have you ever considered that with that 125% increase of pixels, it's not a 125% increase in fun? In fact, I bet all that time spent allocating resources towards 1080p, IW couldn't fit in as much fun as the 720p versions. Just something to mull over.

advice for you...keep your 360

 

[AstroNut325]

Is someone keeping a track of the resolutions and framerates of next-gen games? Is there a comprehensive list in the making?

Also... when do you find out AC4 details?

 

[Dictator93]

Came for the outrage, gloating and denial stayed for the GIFs.

But all kidding aside. There is clearly a performance issue that won't be solved easily. MS needs to summon it's very own ICE team stat!

Sadly this situation is nothing like the PS4 where very intelligent coding would unlock something's powerful potential.

The gpu is weak and the ESRAM and DDR3 make it weaker.

 

[Tabular]

Not quite. In fact the opposite, to double the resolution you'd need less than double the processing resources. Typically. The reason being there are often fixed costs and non-pixel processing overheads each frame which have to use the same processing resources (the biggest of which is vertex processing).

As a really simple approximation, imagine an engine required the processing power of 2 cores for an entire frame of vertex processing. If you had 4 cores, then you could devote the other 2 to pixel processing. However if you were to double the core count, you would then be able to devote 6 cores to pixel processing, which is 3x higher.

Does that make sense? I'm thinking the opposite is happening (to an extent) in the case of COD.

Thanks.

 

[Pop]

Lazy devs strike again. I mean obviously if IW can't even get their shitty looking game to run at 1080p on XB1, they're just plain incompetent. Same goes for Dice.
It's quite obvious at this point that they have seen Titanfall, and as it pretty much looks like Respawn is the new MS golden child, they just got jealous and decided to botch their game. And sabotage DF's capture equipment.

I mean compared to Crytek who can put out CG looking stuff at 1080p native with Ryse, that just seals the deal.

Still, all these tests are not done in the proper conditions. Y'all be laughing a lot less on the Cloud goes Live.

You can't compare BF to COD. 900p on Ps4 is actually pretty damn good but of course 1080p would have been a homerun hit. It's not due to lazy devs either since Ghost on Ps4 is 1080p.

Did you see Ryse earlier, didn't look so hot. Those cutscenes are really hazing people's minds. The gameplay won't look like that.

Edit: Nvm haha, you got me

 

[Finalizer]

I have a funny feeling Xbone will look better in screen comparisons (unless you view them at 1080p). The PS4 is not 125% more powerful anyway you look at it. I'm guessing Xbone will be better in a few ways to somewhat make up for the raw pixel pushing that the PS4 can do. Maybe even better models, tessellation or textures.

Wouldn't count on it. More likely than anything we're seeing some mixture of underdeveloped SDK tools, weaker hardware, and IW bein' IW.

After everything that has happened its apparent now that Albert really was just PR'ing the whole time he's been here.

Really now.

Really.

 

[Sanke__]

im suddenly feeling a strange sense of deja vu. didn't this all happen...a couple weeks ago?

lol at people that don't understand reliable sources are reliable

and double LOL at people that think IW decided to have a higher resolution on PS4 and better textures or some sh*t on xbone

 

[maquiladora]

I swear people are going to start saying 720p is much better than 1080p very soon now... lol!

I heard 480p is even better.

 

[frizby]

Have you ever considered that with that 125% increase of pixels, it's not a 125% increase in fun? In fact, I bet all that time spent allocating resources towards 1080p, IW couldn't fit in as much fun as the 720p versions. Just something to mull over.

 

[keuja]

Have you ever considered that with that 125% increase of pixels, it's not a 125% increase in fun? In fact, I bet all that time spent allocating resources towards 1080p, IW couldn't fit in as much fun as the 720p versions. Just something to mull over.

720p + fun > 1080p

PS4 pre-order cancelled.

 

[SniperHunter]

I played a lot of ps3 and 1080p pc games on my hdtv. 1080p is awesome, but i didnt have an issues switching back to 720p or sub 720p ps3 games.

Hardcore pc gamers hate lower resolutions, but normal non graphic whore gamers wont have a problem imo

 

[Pop]

I played a lot of ps3 and 1080p pc games on my hdtv. 1080p is awesome, but i didnt have an issues switching back to 720p or sub 720p ps3 games.

Hardcore pc gamers hate lower resolutions, but normal non graphic whore gamers wont have a problem imo

So $100 more and lower IQ is an alright buy compared to the competition?

 

[ZeroAlpha]

Cboat is totally vindicated in my eyes in the future I'll always take his word as closer to the truth than anything else.

Does not bode well for Titan Fall 720p might as well be confirmed.

I honestly do think this sort of news with the higher price Microsoft will feel the hurt on this more than just the price being higher on it's own.

 

[I'm new be nice]

im suddenly feeling a strange sense of deja vu. didn't this all happen...a couple weeks ago?

lol at people that don't understand reliable sources are reliable

and double LOL at people that think IW decided to have a higher resolution on PS4 and better textures or some sh*t on xbone

It's different when it's from the horses mouth

 

[LowParry]

I played a lot of ps3 and 1080p pc games on my hdtv. 1080p is awesome, but i didnt have an issues switching back to 720p or sub 720p ps3 games.

Hardcore pc gamers hate lower resolutions, but normal non graphic whore gamers wont have a problem imo

Probably though you're going to have a good chuck of those consumers looking at reviews. And when multiplats keep coming out with the "PS4 is our prefered choice" then those people will shift over. I guess it's great to be the all console owner but damn, that's spendy if you're going in with that mentality of gaming.

 

[Cidd]

Am I the only one that thinks AC4 will be 720p on the Xbone also?

Ubisoft have been rather quiet about the Xbone version...

 

[Dreams-Visions]

720p + fun > 1080p

PS4 pre-order cancelled.

+1

 

[BigTnaples]

Sucks for all the people who will buy this on Xbox One before realizing it renders less than half the pixels of the PS4 version.


Ignorence is bliss, until you visit a friends house playing his PS4 at native 1080p.

 

[statham]

- ESRAM
- Weaker architecture
- Poor dev tools

ESRAM and poor dev tools will improve, they are stuck with weaker architecture, but so far is seems the complaints seem to be from the esram and tools. Cboat even said as much.

 

[I'm new be nice]

So $100 more and lower IQ is an alright buy compared to the competition?

My one friend who is still has a X-Box One pre-order said that "at least the Xbox has games", so I guess that's how he sees it

 

[alr1ght]

Doesn't the XBO upscaler also include somethinkg that sharpens the image? Isn't this why the BF4 version didn't look smeared, or did I miss some serious smearing/blurring in the video?

It needs to be converted to the Xbone colorspace, powered by the Magical Scaler™®

 

[x-Lundz-x]

Am I the only one that think AC4 will be 720p on the Xbone also?

Ubisoft have been rather quiet about the Xbone version...

I think you can pretty much bank on it.

 

[TTOOLL]

I have a funny feeling Xbone will look better in screen comparisons (unless you view them at 1080p). The PS4 is not 125% more powerful anyway you look at it. I'm guessing Xbone will be better in a few ways to somewhat make up for the raw pixel pushing that the PS4 can do. Maybe even better models, tessellation or textures.

I also have a funny feeling reading this.

 

[Kaako]

Have you ever considered that with that 125% increase of pixels, it's not a 125% increase in fun? In fact, I bet all that time spent allocating resources towards 1080p, IW couldn't fit in as much fun as the 720p versions. Just something to mull over.

Exactly. All you pixel counting oxygen breathers keep thinking about resolution this, special effects that. You still don't take into effect the custom xbone upscaler + custom sound chip which frees mad resources for the fun factor. I bet the xbone version will probably have anywhere from 2-4 times the fun factor of the PSbore version.

 

[SniperHunter]

So $100 more and lower IQ is an alright buy compared to the competition?

Yeah but only Xbone will get the next Halo, Ryse, Titanfall etc. People are overblowing issue.

 

[USC-fan]

Is someone keeping a track of the resolutions and framerates of next-gen games? Is there a comprehensive list in the making?

Also... when do you find out AC4 details?

Believe i saw a list. Every game on ps4 is 1080p but bf4 and the order[but this was done for art direction or some non sense.]

Xbone its like forze 1080p and i have no clue about the rest most are 720p.

 

[beast786]

It's like Xbox One has become Britney Spears back when every part of her life was under constant surveillance by the media\paparazzi. Every detail, relevant or not, could be taken, fed, digested through social media, and emerge as a complete new beast over the span of a day.
A console launch is huge and intricate. Every product has bugs and will have bugs throughout the entire product lifetime. I suppose media outlets need to dig for straws to create "content" for their readers.
Also QFE5 is several weeks old as we've improved the OS even more since then.

 

[TheRealTalker]

Am I the only one that thinks AC4 will be 720p on the Xbone also?

Ubisoft have been rather quiet about the Xbone version...

could be.... but what is even more important is Destiny might be too

10 years of Destiny, 10 years of 720p

Spoiler

if Bungie is actually serious of making the game last that long

 

[Pop]

My one friend who is still has a X-Box One pre-order said that "at least the Xbox has games", so I guess that's how he sees it

So he's seen Titanfall



I think Sony has the better offerings, see it works both ways.

 

[Skeff]

Is someone keeping a track of the resolutions and framerates of next-gen games? Is there a comprehensive list in the making?

Also... when do you find out AC4 details?

Actually Yes, At least for resolutions, Albert Penello actually brought the subject up:

We made a list of confirmed resolutions, but Albert sure as shit wouldn't want to look at it:

Forza: 1080p - http://uk.ign.com/articles/2013/09/17/forza-5-runs-at-native-1080p-ryse-does-not
Fifa 1080p - http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...ference-between-current-gen-and-next-gen-fifa
LocoCycle 1080p - Pixel count by Liabe Brave - http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=86349940&postcount=35
Zoo Tycoon 1080p - Pixel count by Liabe Brave - http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=86353156&postcount=37
PowerstarGolf - 720p with 1080p UI - Pixel count by Liabe Brave - http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=86349940&postcount=35
Ryse: 900p - http://uk.ign.com/articles/2013/09/17/forza-5-runs-at-native-1080p-ryse-does-not
CoDoG 720p
BF4: 720p
KI: 720p - http://gamingbolt.com/killer-instin...s-removed-or-optimized-praises-xbox-one-cloud
DR3: Dynamic bullshit - actually unable to find a solid link on this, many available but no direct dev comments could be found easily. - Albert could clarify if he wanted to, even if he didn't know it would be 1 phonecall away.

Driveclub: 1080p - http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-hands-on-with-playstation-4
KZ:SF: 1080p - http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-hands-on-with-playstation-4
Knack: 1080p - http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-hands-on-with-playstation-4
Infamous: 1080p - http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-hands-on-with-playstation-4
the Order: 1920x800 (artistic- 2.40 cinema aspect ratio, retains 1:1 pixel mapping) - Seriously, the resolution of this one is everywhere, find it yourself
ACIV: 1080p - constantly referred to as 1080p, eurogamer comment here - http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-tech-analysis-assassins-creed-4
CoDoG 1080p
Fifa 1080p - http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...ference-between-current-gen-and-next-gen-fifa
Resogun: 1080p - http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-vs-resogun
Flower: 1080p - https://twitter.com/TDMoss/status/385907407475314688 - talks about 60fps in tweet but in comments confirms 1080p
DC:UO 1080p - http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/06/13/e3-2013-dcuo-plans-to-remain-completely-free-on-ps4/
FF14 1080p - http://www.dualshockers.com/2013/09...-fps-1080p-equivalent-to-highest-pc-settings/
Blacklight Retribution 1080p - http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2013/09/06/hands-on-with-blacklight-retribution-for-playstation-4/
Hohokum 1080p - http://blog.us.playstation.com/2013/05/07/hohokum-coming-to-ps4-ps3-ps-vita-in-2014/
Strider 1080p - http://blog.us.playstation.com/2013/10/10/strider-hands-on-remember-your-ninja-training/
BF4 900p


They are just about the only confirmed resolutions out there.

EDIT: If anyone provides a valid link with a developer quote or a pixel analysis I'll add the game to the list.

EDIT2:
There is a thread here: www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=86349940 which not only does some pixel counting it also explains how it is done if anyone is interested, it also confirms the figures above for Killzone, Knack, Infamous, Resogun, Driveclub and Infamous.

Also of note: Ryse was 1080p native at E3.

From confirmed resolutions XB1 has 4/10 at 1080p and PS4 has 15/16

I don't have NBA 2k14 on there because I can't find an actual dev quote regarding 1080p on both and journalists have made the PR misinterpretation mistake before with CoD.

 

[oflaherty01]

It needs to be converted to the Xbone colorspace, powered by the Magical Scaler™®

Lol, nice. I found some better comparisons between the two builds of BF4 in the thread in response to one of my earlier comments, without that contrast and sharpening difference in the DF video.

 

[x-Lundz-x]

Yeah but only Xbone will get the next Halo, Ryse, Titanfall etc. People are overblowing issue.

Yeah but only PS4 will get the next uncharted, last of us, order 1886 etc. I don't think people are overblowing this issue.

 

[Primedoughnut]

I think you can pretty much bank on it.

haven't there been photos showing AC4 display stands which list all the platforms its coming on and the XB1 isn't listed?

 

[sTaTIx]

You could be right. (I hope you are) But I will be shocked if the difference is over double the performance. I want that to be the case as I am a Sony fan and have a PS4 preordered but I was sure not counting on such a huge gap. I've heard a lot about 50% better performance so that I could understand. But over 100%.?

Like some others have said, 125% more pixels does not equate to a 125% performance (i.e., framerate) difference. Performance does not scale linearly with resolution increases/decreases. For example, here are some MW2 benchmarks:

Source: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/build-a-pc-overclock-athlon-ii-x3,2811-12.html

The performance (i.e., framerate) difference between 1920x1080 (black bars) and 1280x720 (blue bars) is 30-40% at most.

 

[Pop]

Yeah but only Xbone will get the next Halo, Ryse, Titanfall etc. People are overblowing issue.

Now Halo I can agree on. Ryse looks boring as hell, gameplay is broke with awkward running mechanics. Titanfall meh

I'll probably pick up H5 with the kinect-less Xbone next fall. But Halo has changed so I'll wait and see.

 

[$h@d0w]

It's over...

 

[AstroNut325]

Actually Yes, At least for resolutions, Albert Penello actually brought the subject up:



From confirmed resolutions XB1 has 4/10 at 1080p and PS4 has 15/16

I don't have NBA 2k14 on there because I can't find an actual dev quote regarding 1080p on both and journalists have made the PR misinterpretation mistake before with CoD.

Thank you! It is highly appreciated. I had no idea the PS4 was launching THAT strong with almost all titles sporting 1080p.

Edit:

It's over...

I disagree! The show is just starting! 2014 shooters will bring about another round of meltdowns.

 

[Primethius]

Now Halo I can agree on. Ryse looks boring as hell, gameplay is broke with awkward running mechanics. Titanfall meh

I'll probably pick up H5 with the kinect-less Xbone next fall. But Halo has changed so I'll wait and see.

If your going PS4/PC (like me), then you won't be missing Titanfall either.

Halo has changed. Went from an insta-buy series to wait and see hardcore Halo-GAF's impresssions on the game post-launch.

 

[Sword Of Doom]

Firstly, that was 720p vs 900p. Not 720p vs 1080p. And there's more than just the resolution difference. See my post here.



And I would say the sharpening looks pretty bad in actual gameplay (less so in cut scenes). Xbox One top, PS4 bottom.

That DF comparison is weird. I watched actual gameplay and the 720p is apparent in all the aliasing.

 

[Primedoughnut]

Yeah but only PS4 will get the next uncharted, last of us, order 1886 etc. I don't think people are overblowing this issue.

don't forget planetside 2 and every chance of getting everquest next ( but that could be a couple of years away)

 

[Cyborgmatt]

The Quake engine is just too powerful for these "next-gen" consoles to handle.