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Dead-body hits please.
The laser scope is back. This is a huge buff for Seth, he gets his instant overhead back (along with the inherent risks of course).
Are we Marvel now with full screen hitboxes? I know it's not full screen (just sweeps the screen really fast) but it starts coming close when you increase the vertical hitbox.
If you're on the ground, block (the timing to get to the top of your arc to avoid is now decreased), but if you're already in the air, it seems a lot of the cast (with the exception of Chun, Dhalsim, possibly Ryu/Ken with the ability to air tatsu) are screwed (Hakan and Gen especially with low jumps).
I thought (and I could be wrong here), that they were making them on par with Ryu's fireballs? And that cr.MK -> FB was not able to be FADCed through by the opponent on block.
Agreed, that sounds like a braindead decision. Even if the inputs for his U2 were changed back to QCF x 2, that's not enough to justify his core gameplay/pressure technique/advantage (especially given that he isn't overflowing with them anyways).
Add Gen in there as well.
I'm conflicted on the ability to delay wakeup on hard knockdown. I think there should be some advantage to landing a hard knockdown but not sure where that advantage should end.
Should you be able to set up a safe jump because of a hard knockdown? Absolutely.
Should vortexes exist because of a hard knockdown? Depends on the character and what other tools they have and if they need the vortex as an integral part of their game.
Unblockables? Nope.
Given that there's zero cost with delayed wakeup, a core component of the game has been removed. I get that this component doesn't exist in other fighting game franchises, but I'm not sure that the Street Fighter franchise is ready for that.
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Lost Fragment
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Could he ever use it as an instant overhead the way Sim can? Pretty sure he couldn't but it's been a while.
irfaanator
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You can choose to not delay your wake-up, so it's a guessing game
Possibly, a lot of it depends on whether or not the length of the delay is controlled or not. If it is variable, then all the advantages of hard knockdown go out the window.
I'm more comfortable having the delay be fixed (preferably the same for all characters), introducing more of a mind game aspect to the wakeup game on hard knockdowns.
Lost Fragment
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I just checked and nah he couldn't use it like that. At least not in Super. Probably the same with vanilla though.
Def still a buff though, yeah.
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Who's in the KI finals besides CDJr and Justin?
sixteen-bit
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Only buffs and access to both ultras makes me happy.
sixteen-bit
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goons are SA people tho
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The only Oni change is FADC DP? Wat.
Capcom pls. The janky hitboxes. Please.
Also, a couple of things missing that were in the rumors:
Oni change to U2 motion
Hakan change to Oil Rocket motion.
The first would be OP so not really surprised. The second would've been a nice to have but right now not complaining about Hakan's change list.
Capcom pls. The janky hitboxes. Please.
Also, a couple of things missing that were in the rumors:
Oni change to U2 motion
Hakan change to Oil Rocket motion.
The first would be OP so not really surprised. The second would've been a nice to have but right now not complaining about Hakan's change list.
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CountBlack
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Oni's U2 motion got changed to HCB 3P I believeThe only Oni change is FADC DP? Wat.
Capcom pls. The janky hitboxes. Please.
Also, a couple of things missing that were in the rumors:
Oni change to U2 motion
Hakan change to Oil Rocket motion.
The first would be OP so not really surprised. The second would've been a nice to have but right now not complaining about Hakan's change list.
The rumored change from the Amano interviews was that it was going to be QCB.
USFIV's release date may be on July 11th for NA
Which is weird, since Combofiend said it would be before EVO, not AT EVO
Which is weird, since Combofiend said it would be before EVO, not AT EVO
ThatCrazyGuy
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I cried myself to sleep. It was a good feeling.
sixteen-bit
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lol if it releases AT Evo I wonder if they'll still run it because it's the main event
Maybe the downloadable version will come out sooner than that
ian to the max
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Sounds like they got the news of USFIV appearing "before Evo 2014" mixed up as "during Evo 2014" or something. The "release window" they mention falls on the exact dates.
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Parallax Scroll
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lol, people are gonna be doing all those dumb option selects and unblockables at evo cause ultra isn't out yet
A good normal spire is a meaty normal spire. Those frame advantage numbers are for it landing on the first active frame, but if you're further out and delay contact in that active window then you can actually be even or plus on block. Of course, this also gives them more time to react to it coming.
The Abominable Snowman
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Poison still looks awful ;(
Hope her normals are decent.
Hope her normals are decent.
Shouta
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Agreed, faster walkspeed will make a nice addition to Hawk's game. I think c.mk xx EX spire will improve his footsie game and discourage people from focusing his c.mk.
Personally I don't think Hawk needs all that many things changing but so far, so good
Well, I'm in agreement with David about general changes. Better reward on SPDs, adjust his normals to be better, etc. I'd like to see his st.mk get some more active frames, probably just 1 or two.
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Still just too risky to use it with its current data. If it gets changed, it might be usable but in its current incarnation, it's not even going to really combo even if you do hit cr.mk. lol
Poison U2 is so dirty.
Shouta
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I wanted the other one from Revenge. ;_;
Wow, Hugo's U2 will probably get us to see some unusual parts of the stages...
Is it known if c mk tomahawk combos if c mk is point blank? Like crossup splash, c mk, tomahawk? Was just thinking that it might be a slightly easier move to hit confirm with.
Then do splash c mk FADC command throw or something for kicks. Why should Honda get all the fun?
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Poison's U2 probably does half the damage on female characters
I'm so worried about timer scam with Elena. Just imagine being up in life, but losing cause she got that ultra off at the last few seconds a half-screen away.
Is Rolento's ultra 2 a grab? May go through fireballs, sounds promising
It has recovery, can't be done out of the blue
It has recovery, can't be done out of the blue
It doesn't change much, to be honest. You just have to take her U2 into account when deciding whether or not you're up in life.
We'll get caught once or twice, and then we'll adjust.
As I recall, in SF3 the healing didn't start until after the super flash.
"God's Beard!"
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What happens to Juri and Elena's ultras when you use W? You heal less/get less time?
I'm imagining that they time it so that the healing starts with 1 second left on the clock a half-screen away, long enough to get some of the healing but too little time for a last-second punish. I don't believe it would work if you activate it right in front of their face, or against Dhalsim who can quickly interrupt the healing.
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I think thats always been the point of the move.
In 3S i pick it to fight characters I can keep out, make it a dirty HP race to the bottom
At least in 3rd Strike, the super was a huge bar (and EX moves with Elena were somewhat useful). You have to plan ahead if you're going to be timer scamming. With SF4 mechanics, they will most likely have healing ready when the time is running down.
IMO healing should've been the super. Unless indeed, they want it to be a timer scam device (like Jefailey's special in Divekick).
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";90855344]What happens to Juri and Elena's ultras when you use W? You heal less/get less time?[/QUOTE]
I too wonder how timed-ultras will work in W mode. Especially Rose's U2. They could reduce the damage on the orbs, but damage really isn't their point so you'd think W mode would be good for her. But if they cut down the time orbs stay out there, that'll actually give player a reason to pick U2 exclusively.
IMO healing should've been the super. Unless indeed, they want it to be a timer scam device (like Jefailey's special in Divekick).
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";90855344]What happens to Juri and Elena's ultras when you use W? You heal less/get less time?[/QUOTE]
I too wonder how timed-ultras will work in W mode. Especially Rose's U2. They could reduce the damage on the orbs, but damage really isn't their point so you'd think W mode would be good for her. But if they cut down the time orbs stay out there, that'll actually give player a reason to pick U2 exclusively.
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