All MMORPGs. All video games. I have no idea how they could ever recoup $200 million off of this.Wow. Like, FFXIV 1.0 bad? Or somehow not even bad in the range of MMOs but just games?
All MMORPGs. All video games. I have no idea how they could ever recoup $200 million off of this.Wow. Like, FFXIV 1.0 bad? Or somehow not even bad in the range of MMOs but just games?
Wow. Like, FFXIV 1.0 bad? Or somehow not even bad in the range of MMOs but just games?
Does this factor in the 100+ million dollar marketing campaign?
Does this factor in the 100+ million dollar marketing campaign?
All they need is 7 million MMO subs!
Every time I load up skyrim or oblivion, all I think about is "online online mmorpg online online mmorgp". Then I realize that it isn't online. I'm not sure why this game isn't rubbing me the right way though. I should be excited. :/
I think it's more that they've already put in a ton of money so they're putting more money in to at least recoup a bit of it. They don't need a miracle to at least make some money, not if the sales for Skyrim are any indication. Granted, this game seems to have much, much less hype than Skyrim (and rightfully so).
sunk-cost fallacy
When one makes a hopeless investment, one sometimes reasons: I cant stop now, otherwise what Ive invested so far will be lost. This is true, of course, but irrelevant to whether one should continue to invest in the project. Everything one has invested is lost regardless. If there is no hope for success in the future from the investment, then the fact that one has already lost a bundle should lead one to the conclusion that the rational thing to do is to withdraw from the project.
I have two friends who stuck out FF14 1.0 for almost a year (?) and who LOVE Elder Scrolls, and they said ESO beta was maybe the worst online game/mmo they've ever played. And these are the same guys that I actually got around 500 hours of enjoyment out of Phantasy Star Universe with. So yeah.
This smells like 'Blunder of the Century' all over again, and Bethesda knows it. Tortanic part 2 here we come.
Bethesda is going to do everything in their power to disingenuously market this as Skyrim Online, when it just looks like a shitty generic MMO with graphics and animation from 2006. I'm sure many will fall for it.
They'd be lucky to have 1 million in the first few months.
um what?NUMBERS
If they sell 7million (skyrim sold 10 in the first month) units with $45 revenue (consumer paying 60) a pop, they will have made a $115 million profit.
Month two, they make $105 million with no additional work, just on subs.
That's enough.
NUMBERS
If they sell 7million (skyrim sold 10 in the first month) units with $45 revenue (consumer paying 60) a pop, they will have made a $115 million profit.
Month two, they make $105 million with no additional work, just on subs.
That's enough.
Well at this rate it can't be much worse than their id acquisition and the cost of buying Rage back from EA.
ZeniMax took out a $150 million loan right before that one: http://www.gamespot.com/articles/bethesda-id-parent-scores-150-million-investment/1100-6280877/
That said they could have used some of that for other things as well.
NUMBERS
If they sell 7million (skyrim sold 10 in the first month) units with $45 revenue (consumer paying 60) a pop, they will have made a $115 million profit.
Month two, they make $105 million with no additional work, just on subs.
That's enough.
Wow. Like, FFXIV 1.0 bad? Or somehow not even bad in the range of MMOs but just games?
I was assuming Ouren was joking, but it seems he's serious.
Oh dear.
Forgive my ignorance as I haven't played an mmo before, but what exactly is it about that genre that requires such large budgets and dev cycles? I mean I know you have to make a lot of content, but skyrim had hundreds of hours of content and that didn't cost $200m.
Did no one learn from The Old Republic?
Hasn't SWTOR turned a profit since going F2P? I heard that, but I don't know if it's actually true or not.
Makes me yearn for dragon age online, that would be glorious.Didn't you guys saw this last trailer? Watch how bad it is..i mean with that tight NDA they cover it up like it's a good game...ahum.
I'm not so sure this is going to be the colossal failure GAF thinks it will be. Elder Scrolls carries a lot of weight as a franchise, especially after Skyrim and it's shocking success with casual audiences. I mean look at Reddit, captions of Skyrim still regularly make the front page. It's insane.
So I say market this game like crazy and keep reinforcing that it's related to Skyrim and it will be somewhat successful in the short term. I do not think it will have any legs with a subscription model, so after they recoup some money, they had better be ready to go F2P.
But massive failure that will possibly bankrupt Bethesda and/or damage the ES brand? Not seeing it.
I'm not so sure this is going to be the colossal failure GAF thinks it will be. Elder Scrolls carries a lot of weight as a franchise, especially after Skyrim and it's shocking success with casual audiences. I mean look at Reddit, captions of Skyrim still regularly make the front page. It's insane.
So I say market this game like crazy and keep reinforcing that it's related to Skyrim and it will be somewhat successful in the short term. I do not think it will have any legs with a subscription model, so after they recoup some money, they had better be ready to go F2P.
But massive failure that will possibly bankrupt Bethesda and/or damage the ES brand? Not seeing it.
How big is Bethesda?
Is anyone even excited for this game? I have yet to meet anyone that went "man I cant wait to play ESO!" and I have a lot of friends into MMO's.
Is anyone even excited for this game? I have yet to meet anyone that went "man I cant wait to play ESO!" and I have a lot of friends into MMO's.
I guess the goal now is to get the game into a reasonable state, boot it out the door, grab every dollar they can get, and then cancel it or try for F2P.