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YESI just bought a 3ds xl and it has fw 4.4. Should I keep it? (EU)
YESI just bought a 3ds xl and it has fw 4.4. Should I keep it? (EU)
Booted up my OG 3DS, 4.5 yusssssss!
I want clarification on why people want this, too: Can the people demanding region freedom fluently understand Japanese? If so, then why not import a Japanese system to start with? You'll get the games sooner than in the US 9 times out of 10! If you can't fluently understand Japanese, then why are you campaigning to be able to play games that seem to be quite dialogue-heavy in a language that you don't fluently understand, instead of campaigning just to localize each of these individual games?
how about having some patients than? We went over this a million times already: If they had released the game last year in europe, it would've been crushed by Zelda and Bravely default. There were also 3 similar games released in the same time frame: Etrian 4, Soul Hackers and Project X Zone. Releasing SMT4 in that environment would've just killed it's momentum and sales.
There is NO WAY they would pass on something as big as smt4 but release minor stuff like Soul Hackers. If it isn't announced/released by Summer 2014, then all the whining would be justifiable. Until than.. please don't. After the past several years, you'd think people would've more faith in NoE.
Nice. If only I were as forward thinking as you.
It makes no sense to hold back games just because something else is coming out at a similar time, over those 6 months they would have probably sold the same amount of units anyway.
how about having some patients than? We went over this a million times already: If they had released the game last year in europe, it would've been crushed by Zelda and Bravely default. There were also 3 similar games released in the same time frame: Etrian 4, Soul Hackers and Project X Zone. Releasing SMT4 in that environment would've just killed it's momentum and sales.
Project X-Zone isn't anything like SMT4. At all. They're wildly different from each other.
I want clarification on why people want this, too: Can the people demanding region freedom fluently understand Japanese? If so, then why not import a Japanese system to start with? You'll get the games sooner than in the US 9 times out of 10! If you can't fluently understand Japanese, then why are you campaigning to be able to play games that seem to be quite dialogue-heavy in a language that you don't fluently understand, instead of campaigning just to localize each of these individual games?
Someone has no idea how the industry actually works.
It isn't about being similar, it's about appealing to the same market which is definitely does.
It isn't about being similar, it's about appealing to the same market which is definitely does.
And I suppose you do ?
I suppose next you will be claiming that region locking benefits us all.
What the actual fuck? Shit like this should be reason to actually lose faith in NoE.The complaints are already completely justifiable. I don't give a shit about the financial strategy behind this massive delay. If you're going to ignore a specific part of your fanbase for multiple months, just because you want to squeeze a few more cents out of your already niche franchise with its small but extremely loyal and dedicated fans, then you can go fuck yourself. It's nearly been six months and by the looks of it, it's going to be another six months before europeans actually get to play this shit.
"How about having some patience?"
I think by waiting half a year after everyone else already got it, I've shown that I have patience. Too much of it, in fact. I could give less of a fuck now when it comes out, because honestly, after shit like this, they don't deserve my money anyway.
By the way, PXZ and SMT are not entirely the same audience.
I didn't say complaints aren't justifiable, only that all the whining about "never getting the game" is. No need to get emotional
This isn't about getting more money out of the fan base, this is about giving the game room to breathe and gain some new fans. Do you honestly think anyone who isn't already into smt would choose it over Pokemon and Zelda? I am pretty sure it's not in your (and their) interest for it to remain selling to a few dedicated fans.
But currently it doesn't even look like we are getting the game, there has been no word. Now if they said it planned for summer 2014 or June 2012 it would put some of our minds to rest.
I don't think people are whining for no good reason here.
At what point is it ok to whine ? after 8 months, 12 ?
Sorry, was a bit annoyed at the moment. Anyway...
Never getting the game is unlikely (not impossible), I agree with you on that. That said, by waiting out, they're harming the base money they would have received from their fanbase for a potential, but unlikely increase of new fans.
You don't gain new fans by waiting another year before once again silently releasing your game. I have absolutely never seen a single commercial, flyer or whatever kind of advertisement in any form for any of their games over here. I didn't even realize games such as SJ and DS2 were released until I read about them online. You even had to actively search to find anything Arena related. Most new people aren't going to look at a game, see the title "Shin Megami Tensei" and pay approximately 60-65 dollars (converted) for something unfamiliar and alien to them.
I get that they're not delaying for no reason, but I am not willing to wait an extra year before they make a move. Just seems counterproductive to shit on your already existing fanbase, just for a tiny amount of theoretical new fans. Of course I would have rather wanted them to grow, but it is not going to happen this way.
preferably, never. Seriously, there is nothing to gain, if anything it makes matters worse. If you become emotionally too invested, you can't think straight any more and you lose sight of what's important. And in the end, it only sets you up for even more disappointment without accomplishing anything except making you hate the company, the publisher or even the game itself.
If seen people go down that lane and it wasn't pretty.
also: If you are an Atlus Fan in Europe, you should know by now that it's very likely to get fucked over. So If you only buy hardware for Atlus games, you probably should've bought a NA 3ds in the first place.
Or maybe I just can't understand your position, because quite frankly, I don't give a shit about SMT4... I would buy it when it's being released, but I'd also survive without it. I am what you would call "part of the new fanbase that buys unfamiliar games at 40+€" - because I like unfamiliar things.
how about having some patients than?
How about fucking no?
Yes, I don't want to wait 6 months (on the top of waiting months for the game to get in English to begin with) to pay 40 bucks for a game the NA players played already and can buy for 20 bucks.
I want to freely import my games like I can do on my PSP and my DS. Fuck this shit.
Yes, I AM MAD.
As a headsup to people using this patch, there's been reports that it can result in permanently bricking a 3DS (to the point that even reflashing the NAND won't fix it).
Brick me if this needs to be in a new thread.
Shame on Nintendo for even having this in the first place.
Yeah, I wonder why they went with region locking for the 3DS when the DS didn't have it.
In what circumstances? Just randomly?
I think I just did the patch, but I don't have another region game to test it out.
DS did have it?
DS did have it?
DS did have it?
There's a lot of rumours and accusations flying around but as far as I can tell:
There's a chance each time a modified version of the launcher.sys from the SD card is launched (that is when you use the DS Profile in the settings menu to launch it) it has a chance to brick the 3DS (so if you used the region free patch and your 3DS is still working, your fine as long as you don't use the launcher again), some people are saying that the chance increases the longer it's been since the modified launcher was copied to the SD card as well. This includes the launchers used by Gateway clones and the modified Region free patch this thread is about.
Oh, I think I did it wrong then. You don't run it from the flash cart?
The region free "hack" has 2 parts , a file executed from a flash card (ends in .nds), this sets some data on your 3DS which will cause unsigned code to be executed when you go to DS Profile in your System Settings (this part is basically harmless), and a Launcher.dat file that foes on the 3DS SD Card. This is where the unsigned 3DS code is executed from, and it's launching modified versions of this file (like the region-free version) that can brick the 3DS.
The actual piracy part involves using the unsigned code to be able to launch game images from a different flash cart, by patching the system software to execute it , but that's not relevant for this discussion.
Yup, you got the error because it was trying to launch a file that didn't exit. That error is harmless though.
ETA - If you want to be able to change the DS profile for some reason, you can re enable that section by going into DS mode (either by using the DS flash cart and not launching the patcher or by using a real DS game).
DS did have it?
Yeah, I wonder why they went with region locking for the 3DS when the DS didn't have it.
Well, this pretty much confirms its a firmware related region-lock.
nope
you can ever play import DS games on 3DS, as long as they aren't DSi enhanced.
Even then, some DSi enhanced titles were still region free.
I don't have a list though.
I'll never understand the "different market/demographics" argument. While I agree that certain games only appeal to certain regions, the company should just NOT put any money into marketing in the region where it doesn't appeal, but still allow people to buy the game digitally from another region if they want it.
It really makes no sense to lock off games to specific regions, cutting off extra revenue they could be collecting.
Fuck that, why the hell should we have to buy inflated scalpers price to import games because it's not CoD or Mario?
I guess I'm half done then? Should work if I just put the launcher.dat on the microsd root and run the DS profile thing again?
As long as you're using an older DS flashcard, there's no reason to worry about a bricked system right?
It's just the Gateway 3DS cards that have possible issues?