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Everyone wants to hate the Xbox Series S, but.....

THE DUCK

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There is tons of hate on the Series S box, but people have to say:
- its a poor value vs the series X
- its killing next gen, dragging it down with lower spec
- it will confuse consumers

So now, with that out of the way......

There is something odly compelling out the box.....

- really nice form factor (size)
- is still a fair amount cheaper, especially when sales taxes are taken into account in some places
- while not 4k, still has good backwards compatibility
- will play new games, even at a lower resolution - supports many new hardware features
- loads games much faster than previous gen

In my house, we will have 2 xbox series x machines, and a ps5. (Dont judge, this was paid for by selling ps4 pro and xbox one x machines we sold 2 months ago at top dollar that I bought on optimum points) So one tv left to get a box for, a 49" tv about 10ft away in the bedroom.
A series X, or the strangely compelling series S?
 
cudiye

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What was the point of you making this thread?

anywho.. They get hated because they advertised it as a cheap next generation console but is actually severely underpowered and can’t even keep up with actual next generation consoles.

If your argument is that it is a gamepass machine, which by the way isn’t free, people act like it is free with the purchase of this console is kinda pointless cuz you can use a mobile device and even a pc with a controller.
 
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kretos

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i guess we'll wait and see if it hold back next gen or not

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Jitzu said:
What was the point of you making this thread?

anywho.. They get hated because they advertised it as a cheap next generation console but is actually severely underpowered and can’t even keep up with actual next generation consoles.

If your argument is that it is a gamepass machine, which by the way isn’t free, people act like it is free with the purchase of this console is kinda pointless cuz you can use a mobile device and even a pc with a controller.
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Just to discuss it.....err that's why we are here?

I think also many people seem to be upset at ms for misrepresenting it as true next gen, especially since that fact is so debatable. It has many next gen features, but is still lucky raw horsepower. Yet I can't help feel that for a lot people (casual gamers) or for a secondary room, it scratches an itch or fills a need.

As to gamepass / cloud gaming, sorry I can't agree there, playing on a real console with no lag on a 49" screen vs lag on an 6" screen, its an easy choice.
 
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MatrixReloaded101 said:
OP, you plan on purchasing two Series X consoles so I think you should know the answer to your own question.
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One upstairs, one downstairs, that leaves the bedroom for something. I could keep our last xbox one x for it, but something tells me once I get used to ssd loading I won't want it. Selling it would pretty much pay for an s, or half a x.
 
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I think the forn factor is dope. And will be a huge hit for kids and the like. Also more portable if you want to move it around the house or take it to friends.

I kind of feel like your second series X should be an S.
 
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MatrixReloaded101

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dvdvideo said:
One upstairs, one downstairs, that leaves the bedroom for something. I could keep our last xbox one x for it, but something tells me once I get used to ssd loading I won't want it. Selling it would pretty much pay for an s, or half a x.
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In the long run you will be better off going with the Series X. The Series S will face the same issues the base consoles faced this gen.

Capcom already come out and said DMC5 will not even have ray tracing on the Series S version of the game.
 
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devilNprada

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Didn't MS say their consoles were guaranteed to be compatible for two years?...
It's gonna suck when people go cheap and the thing really is only good for 2 years.
Edit: I still think they should have made it a handheld..
 
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mango drank

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I wonder if MS sees a big chunk of the target market for the Series S being PS5 owners. Meaning, people who buy the PS5 as their main console, but still want to play some XSX exclusives, without investing in the main console. The XSS becomes a little brother to the PS5, and a trojan horse into MS's ecosystem for PS diehards.
 
MrFunSocks

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devilNprada said:
Didn't MS say their consoles were guaranteed to be compatible for two years?...
It's gonna suck when people go cheap and the thing really is only good for 2 years.
Edit: I still think they should have made it a handheld..
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No, they said that any first party games they make for the first 2 years will be on Xbox One as well. The Series S will be supported as long as the X is because they're the same console, the S is just spec'd down appropriately for 1080p-1440p.

dvdvideo said:
And I wish the xbox series X had a white option....

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Oh god no, that looks terrible lol. Would absolutely stick out like a sore thumb in pretty much any entertainment centre too.
 
devilNprada

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brohmbel said:
I wonder if MS sees a big chunk of the target market for the Series S being PS5 owners. Meaning, people who buy the PS5 as their main console, but still want to play some XSX exclusives, without investing in the main console. The XSS becomes a little brother to the PS5, and a trojan horse into MS's ecosystem for PS diehards.
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Personally I think the target market are parents... It's a good move
 
-Arcadia-

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If it does what it says it goes, plays games in 1440p (some suspect 1080p, and that’s fine too), I have nothing against it.

For those worried about it, or those who want it to be bad, lol, we’ll just have to see how it performs through launch, through bigger exclusives and next-gen only games arriving, and a year or two.

I find the upside of the system tremendous.
 
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MatrixReloaded101

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devilNprada said:
Personally I think the target market are parents... It's a good move
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I don’t think so because it’s a digital only console and I think a lot of people underestimate that.

Just think, parents would not be able to take advantage of any video game sales from Best Buy, Amazon, GameStop etc because the console does not have a disc drive. Also kids can’t trade in their games to get new games with the Series S.
 
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It's simple: The Series S gets you next gen gaming at a very attractive price point. Period. No matter how badass and technically superior the Series X is to the S and everything else on the planet - the Series S is still going to play all the same games and do it very well.

As we approach the ceiling of console graphics-capabilities we're now judging games by how well mud appears on a vehicle fender after driving through a puddle, or how well dust floats in front of a sunbeam, or how wet jeans look 10 minutes after coming out of the water. Most casual gamers don't care about such minutiae. Most people will be happy playing next gen games at 1080p. Kudos to Microsoft for giving them that option.
 
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MatrixReloaded101 said:
I don’t think so because it’s a digital only console and I think a lot of people underestimate that.

Just think, parents would not be able to take advantage of any video game sales from Best Buy, Amazon, GameStop etc because the console does not have a disc drive. Also kids can’t trade in their games to get new games with the Series S.
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I think you guys underestimate parents. I have 2 young boys and almost buy exclusively digital and haven't traded in a game in years. Plus gamepass allows them to try out games without any risk or trips to the store. Not all parents are worried about a $60-$70 game... that's the habit of broke college kids or minors.

Edit: Series S is a gamepass machine.
 
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Aladin

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I am going back to college. So, will be using series s with my laptop.

TF per $ is a wrong metric to gauge value. every $ saved is $ earned. More than the poor people, it is sensible people who will take a series s.
 
Potato Chip PRO

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I think the Series S will do its job fairly decent throughout the entire 9th gen. 1st party will put the system to good use. For its $299.99 price point.. I just don't see the reasons to bitch about like some folks here do.. Plus the full value of gamepass that will ride with it.
 
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Potato Chip PRO said:
I think the Series S will do its job fairly decent throughout the entire 9th gen. 1st party will put the system to good use. For its $299.99 price point.. I just don't see the reasons to bitch about like some folks here do.. Plus the full value of gamepass that will ride with it.
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No one cares if it doesn't hold back next gen, it's the problem of IF IT DOES, as in if games are made to work on S and then upscaled from there does that mean those games will suck compared to games made to work on an X or PS5
 
hymanator

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I am not liking the massive size of the PS5 at all. That thing will look like a finned PC tower in my living room. The small size of the Xbox Series S, low price, and backwards compatibility are all welcome features for someone that skipped out on the Xbox One generation entirely. Gives me time to see what I missed until Sony shrinks the system and hopefully the price.
 
Neko Mimi Mode

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It's cheaper than a new Switch, in fact it's cheaper than a new Switch Lite here, and is a decent entry point for next gen and Game Pass for those on a budget.

Let's be honest here, the people hating it also have post histories of hating Series X too.
 
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Explosive Zombie said:
No one cares if it doesn't hold back next gen, it's the problem of IF IT DOES, as in if games are made to work on S and then upscaled from there does that mean those games will suck compared to games made to work on an X or PS5
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It's too early to speculate IF the Series S will hold back Series X and PS5... This is mostly wishful thinking at this point.
 
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dvdvideo said:
I'm not sure thats complely fair, it has more horsepower than an xbox one x, plus the ssd.
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Ehh, this is not exactly true. Particularly for the GPU. Series S has a more advance architecture and feature set for GPU but less raw power overall (floppage). It's the reason why it cannot run Xbox One X enhanced games.

Aladin said:
I am going back to college. So, will be using series s with my laptop.

TF per $ is a wrong metric to gauge value. every $ saved is $ earned. More than the poor people, it is sensible people who will take a series s.
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Xbox One SADE would have been the best selling console on the market. It was the cheapest console (yes even more than the switch), unlimited third party support and gamepass. Nobody cared.

NoMoChokeSJ said:
I think you guys underestimate parents. I have 2 young boys and almost buy exclusively digital and haven't traded in a game in years. Plus gamepass allows them to try out games without any risk or trips to the store. Not all parents are worried about a $60-$70 game... that's the habit of broke college kids or minors.

Edit: Series S is a gamepass machine.
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The next Call of Duty, Fifa, Madden, Grand Theft Auto, [insert game that will sell bajillion copies] are not coming to gamepass when they launch or ever. Take a look at the top 10-20 games charted on NPD. Those are the games people want to play.
 
Md Ray

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dvdvideo said:
I'm not sure thats complely fair, it has more horsepower than an xbox one x, plus the ssd.
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This is not true. In some ways it's a downgrade/slower than One X. Bandwidth for e.g. is -31% less. And less memory available to games by -11%. It's a clear upgrade over base Xbox One, but not over One X.
 
MrFunSocks

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NoMoChokeSJ said:
I think you guys underestimate parents. I have 2 young boys and almost buy exclusively digital and haven't traded in a game in years. Plus gamepass allows them to try out games without any risk or trips to the store. Not all parents are worried about a $60-$70 game... that's the habit of broke college kids or minors.

Edit: Series S is a gamepass machine.
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Series S + Game Pass is basically a parents dream. Next gen console at a price they would usually have to wait years for, with 100+ games right there for the kids to play.

I'll be buying an S for the living room where I only have a ~6 year old 50" Sony 1080p tv, with the X going in the media room with the 4K OLED. ATM I've got the One X on the 4K OLED and the launch One on the 1080p tv, so that works perfectly.

Md Ray said:
This is not true. In some ways it's a downgrade/slower than One X. Bandwidth for e.g. is -31% less. And less memory available to games by -11%. It's a clear upgrade over base Xbox One, but not over One X.
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Yeah but you're not looking at why it has less memory - it's not a 4K box. The literal entire point of the One X was 4K. The entire point of the S is to not be 4K. It's a more powerful machine in every way.
 
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MrFunSocks

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ReBurn said:
Not everyone has a 4K tv or has a budget that allows them to spend $500 on a new console. Series S is a move toward keeping people in the game. I don't think it's a bad option.
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It's a great option, and I have zero doubt that it will vastly outsell the Series X, like MS are expecting. $299 is the price point where it's casual friendly. The X and PS5 aren't hitting $299 any time soon. Hell the PS5 DE isn't hitting $299 any time soon either. It was a great move by MS.
 
Clarissa

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dvdvideo said:
There is tons of hate on the Series S box, but people have to say:
- its a poor value vs the series X
- its killing next gen, dragging it down with lower spec
- it will confuse consumers

So now, with that out of the way......

There is something odly compelling out the box.....

- really nice form factor (size)
- is still a fair amount cheaper, especially when sales taxes are taken into account in some places
- while not 4k, still has good backwards compatibility
- will play new games, even at a lower resolution - supports many new hardware features
- loads games much faster than previous gen

In my house, we will have 2 xbox series x machines, and a ps5. (Dont judge, this was paid for by selling ps4 pro and xbox one x machines we sold 2 months ago at top dollar that I bought on optimum points) So one tv left to get a box for, a 49" tv about 10ft away in the bedroom.
A series X, or the strangely compelling series S?
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According to my friend who is a Nintendo fanboy who hates Sony, it is not XBOX Series S that will drag down next gen with weaker specs. Rather, the PS5 is the one who will be doing the dragging down.

Read this post. Name in RED is my friend.

www.neogaf.com

A Closer Look at How Xbox Series X|S Integrates Full AMD RDNA 2 Architecture

Dictator from DF is way more reputable and has more association with people in the industry than fakes troller like you. We are still waiting for your credentials verification 🤷‍♀️ Wait. These people don't know more about how the xbox is made than Jason Ronald? I am shocked.
www.neogaf.com www.neogaf.com
 
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Potato Chip PRO said:
It's too early to speculate IF the Series S will hold back Series X and PS5... This is mostly wishful thinking at this point.
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How is this wishful thinking? That would mean anyone wants this shit to happen.

ReBurn said:
Not everyone has a 4K tv or has a budget that allows them to spend $500 on a new console. Series S is a move toward keeping people in the game. I don't think it's a bad option.



Look, someone who thinks not having much money is a narrative.
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If you literally can't handle spending an extra 200 dollars then there's nothing sensible about how you live your life.
 
Md Ray

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MrFunSocks said:
Yeah but you're not looking at why it has less memory - it's not a 4K box. The literal entire point of the One X was 4K. The entire point of the S is to not be 4K. It's a more powerful machine in every way.
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That's what MS wants you to believe. That it's a lesser resolution machine compared to Series X. But it's not. Devs would need to do a lot more compromise than just resolution due its huge cut-down in memory and bandwidth size. Lack of RT in Series S over X in DmC 5 is a good case in point.
 
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ReBurn said:
Glad to know that you hate poor people.
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LOL. No one is too poor to afford a 500 dollar console if they have PATIENCE.

Hix said:
Pathetic post.

Living within your means and budgeting is perfectly sensible. Whether you approve of that or not is irrelevant, as it's a reality for many.
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Pathetic reply.

You can live within your means and just save up for the more expensive option. If you think you need these consoles on launch day you must not be all that poor.
 
Neko Mimi Mode

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Explosive Zombie said:
LOL. No one is too poor to afford a 500 dollar console if they have PATIENCE.



Pathetic reply.

You can live within your means and just save up for the more expensive option. If you think you need these consoles on launch day you must not be all that poor.
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That's not what budgeting means.

"Saving up" is irrelevant, some people can't justify spending over $300 on an entertainment box, particularly in today's climate.

But hey, why even buy Series X/PS5, once you've got that far you can get a 3090 gaming rig if you have PATIENCE
 
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Explosive Zombie

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Hix said:
That's not what budgeting means.

"Saving up" is irrelevant, some people can't justify spending over $300 on an entertainment box, particularly in today's climate.

But hey, why even buy Series X/PS5, once you've got that far you can get a 3090 gaming rig if you have PATIENCE
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Oh no, not today's climate!

Tell me what these people would do if there was no 300 dollar option? Because there wasn't one last generation. Oh wait, you don't even need to save up, Microsoft literally offers MONTHLY PLANS for both consoles.
 
MrFunSocks

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Md Ray said:
That's what MS wants you to believe. That it's a lesser resolution machine compared to Series X. But it's not. Devs would need to do a lot more compromise than just resolution due its huge cut-down in memory and bandwidth size. Lack of RT in Series S over X in DmC 5 is a good case in point.
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lol you mean removing RT, literally the biggest resource hog there is in gaming today? Everything else will just be resolution and LOD.

smallpotatosan said:
I’m very curious. Is anyone in this thread praising XSS actually getting one? or just here to defend the brand no matter what?

disclaimer: I did considered an S. did the research and rejected the idea. I don’t buy into midgen console refreshes.
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I am, along side an X.

No-one is "praising" it, just saying why it exists and that it's a good idea. It's a great next gen option for those that can't afford a USD$500 console, or who only play on a 1080p or less TV.

Also what does "midgen refreshes" have to do with the Series S?
 
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