Maybe it's 95% AI and 5% real, you are probably right given the statement, but most of the times you will hear the "don't shoot" and similar (which are AI generated) and the merchants in Speranza talking (which are also AI). It sounds stilted, all to cheap out on a couple thousand euros.That's incorrect.
"We use a combination of recorded voice audio and audio generated via TTS tools in our games, depending on the context," a representative for Embark Studios told Polygon in a statement. "Sometimes, recording real scenes where actors get together — allowing character chemistry and conflict to shape the outcome — is something that adds depth to our game worlds that technology can't emulate. Other times, especially when it relates to contextual in-game action call-outs, TTS allows us to have tailored VO where we otherwise wouldn't e.g. due to speed of implementation. Making games without actors isn't an end goal for Embark and TTS technology has introduced new ways for us to work together."
Arc Raiders' use of AI voices is The Finals controversy all over again
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clarky
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Again your wrong.
Read the article. Not sure where you are getting 95% AI from, apart from your bottom.
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Now I'm thinking that you haven't played the game. Uh oh, is this a corporate bootlicker I'm talking to?
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clarky
Gold Member
Again did you read the article? It's fairly clear what is and what isn't generated from reading the article.
I'd rather take that at face value than a random on the internet.
Just admit you are wrong then we can move on. Unless you have evidence to back up your 95 % generated claim in which case ill happily give you the W.
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Good, let's bring down the tones of the discussion. I have played the finals and now arc for hundreds of hours. Most of the voice acting you hear in those games is pretty recognizable as AI.
I can't give you 100% proof, but the voice lines for the merchants and the quick shouts you can do in game sound like AI. You may not be noticing them, it's fine. There might be some that are real VO but at that point it's bad voice acting. The percentage really doesn't matter. It brings down the presentation and gives you a worse product.
You can think that it's great and that's fine.
clarky
Gold Member
So you can't then.
Never said its great. I'm just going off what the dev's have said. You've gone from 100% generated to 95% to I have no idea and can't back up my claims.
I simply pulled you about this incorrect statement.
"There is no voice acting in the game. It's all AI trained on the lines provided by the voice actors"
Which like I said is incorrect. Not sure why you are unable just to say "I was mistaken".
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I have rewatched the intro just to make sure, and now I'm not even sure about that. Yeah I'm going back to 100%, thank you for making me check.
Also, who gives a shit if it's 95%, 90% or whatever. My original point is that it doesn't sound good. I'm getting a worse product.
Can you give me proof of real VA during the game? Let's do the opposite now.
clarky
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Your original point was all the voice in this game was 100% AI generated. Which again unless you can provide some evidence that goes against which the actual dev's have said in the I article provided. Like I said you are just pulling shit out of your arse.
I just gave you a link it which the dev's state what is and isn't. Do hyperlinks not work on your device?
Wether it sounds good or bad wasn't part of the discussion.
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"I don't like the AI voices in this game, so criticism about it is welcome."
This was my statement btw.
As for proof, use your ears or something idfk.
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
Ridiculous reason to lower the score.
Not just a high review score. It was a perfect score. A review you'd expect for game of the generation contender.
The reviewer said it was "The best Bioware game I've ever played"
"It's warm and welcoming, funny and hopeful, gentle when it needs to be, and of course it's epic - epic in a way I think will set a high bar not only for BioWare in years to come but for role-playing games in general. This is among the very best of them."
Not just a high review score. It was a perfect score. A review you'd expect for game of the generation contender.
The reviewer said it was "The best Bioware game I've ever played"
"It's warm and welcoming, funny and hopeful, gentle when it needs to be, and of course it's epic - epic in a way I think will set a high bar not only for BioWare in years to come but for role-playing games in general. This is among the very best of them."
clarky
Gold Member
No, this was your statement.
Before that i asked how you can tell the difference, clearly if you think everything is then you can't.
I mean, it's clearly what I said at the start of the discussion but whatever.
Anyways, you are asking me for proof that the sky is blue. I'm telling you it's blue, everyone that is interested is saying "yeah, that looks blue to me" but it's not enough proof for you. At that point, I don't have the tools to provide you with objective data.
So let's end it here.
MMaRsu
Gold Member
So youre talking out of your ass
mdkirby
Gold Member
And this is where competition is bred. If there's a breakdown of trust in a system, people search out alternatives or alternatives are created. Doesn't mean the alternatives are better, they may be broken in different ways.
Look at "news", people lost faith in mainstream and flocked to "alternative" news that has even less journalistic standards and even more incentives to lie. Or wiki and grok, wiki became ideologically operated, which birthed grokipedia, whose algorithm spits out hallucinations and is also biased to its sole owners ideology (it does get gamergate correct tho).
Personally, I think an ai powered personalised system for game reviews could be the way to go, as the games people like are very personal, meaning aggregated consensus reviews are pretty meaningless. My 10/10 could be your 1/10, and vice versa. But if an ai learns all the games I personally love, and what others love, and can see patterns in the things I like it would be better placed in its review aggregation to score a game based on the things I LIKE. So if the aggregate rating on metacritic is a 6/10, but it having read all the reviews it identifies it has many of the things I love it may pump it up to an 8.5.
Mods, delete my account. Do I need to post a slur or something to get banned?
clarky
Gold Member
I'm asking you to provide some sort of evidence to back up your claim. I gave you some to prove otherwise, which you choose to ignore. If you think the devs are lying then thats fine but you own ears won't stand up in court.
Like I said they have clearly said what is and what isn't. I'm not sure why you continue to argue.
Edit: This isn't how a discussion forum works mate. no point throwing your toys out of the pram when proven wrong.
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Parazels
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Please, share examples of those AI voices that upset you.
Starbuck2907
Member
They just salty because they know their jobs are threatened by AI as well. At least the digital foundry guys have to move hardware components, which ai can't do, yet.
clarky
Gold Member
Probably mine when I shot him in the back at extract last night.
GymWolf
Member
It's the opposite dude, activist trying to be journalists.
ULTROS!
People seem to like me because I am polite and I am rarely late. I like to eat ice cream and I really enjoy a nice pair of slacks.
AI is really becoming integrated in our lives whether you like it or not. No point in denying it, hating on it, or resisting it because it will come and people will have to use it. It's like the mid to late 2000s when games, shows, and movies were transitioning to digital from physical and the hardcore were pushing back for being pro-physical. Look where we are at now.
Also kinda like physical magazines to online articles.
Also to be frank, I don't think gaming reviewers or journalists reporting on takes (or even hot takes) will be replaced by AI because reviews and takes are incredibly subjective. However if it's reposting news or sharing the news, yeah AI can probably do that already. Voice actors... Probably for indie devs because hiring actors are expensive.
Also kinda like physical magazines to online articles.
Also to be frank, I don't think gaming reviewers or journalists reporting on takes (or even hot takes) will be replaced by AI because reviews and takes are incredibly subjective. However if it's reposting news or sharing the news, yeah AI can probably do that already. Voice actors... Probably for indie devs because hiring actors are expensive.
GymWolf
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Nobody said that you can't criticize ai voice, but knocking down points in a serious review for that? Yeah that's retarded.
The game is not tlou3, ai voices for pinging stuff ingame and maybe some shitty merchant that you give 2 fucks about is literally a non-problem unless you wanna make a clickbait review.
CentralScrutinizer
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Outlets are free to take whatever stance they want; however, I think Metacritic and Opencritic have a responsibility to react and remove these type of outlets from their algorithm.
Political or social commentary has a place, but as a "scientific" aggregate of scores regarding a games quality? That shit needs removed.
Political or social commentary has a place, but as a "scientific" aggregate of scores regarding a games quality? That shit needs removed.
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Poppinfresh
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I'd argue that TLOU3 could be made today with completely AI voices and if the developers didn't disclose it, no one would be able to tell.
Honey Bunny
Member
That reviewer reads too much resetera.
GymWolf
Member
Maybe, but for that game i could understand lowering a bit the score for ai voices, but for an extraction shooter? Gtfo...
MarV0
Member
I'm not going to go through all the comments but after a quick look all I see is the trashing of the reviewer so not sure what you mean.
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StereoVsn
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Using AI voices in games is going to decimate jobs. It's much the same as what it's going to do to graphics artists as more companies adopt it (and developers). And yes, millions of other jobs are going to get killed off as well.
I personally think this is gong to be a permanent shift, the jobs aren't really gong to come back and we, as a society in general, are facing a major issue. Our governments (especially in US) aren't able or willing to deal with potentially having permanent unemployment for a good chunk of their citizens.
Heck, I work with AI daily, lead the team that runs AI architecture for my company and basically I can tell you that we haven't hired juniors that we would have a few years back on my team, dev teams, comms, and others.
That's my personal anecdote, but considering current employment status for college grads (and white collared jobs in general), this is just getting started.
Zacfoldor
Gold Member
Here's the thing, if you are okay with this then don't complain when the next game goes full AI.
You can't be okay with this because you want it to ruin goty for the SP games but then be mad when the SP games use it too.
I just know you, that's all. I know that immediately as soon as you can you will be shitting on some game I love because it uses AI in some way I don't care about.
Can we all just accept that there is no line? Here is a game I hate. A multiplayer lobby game that looks as good as the gambit mode on destiny 2 with less depth and enjoyment to me. That's just my take. A single mode. I don't care about this game. Yet, I'm willing to let it go unchallenged and take the games side, not Eurogamers....even though they did use AI voices.
I'm willing to do this because in good faith I trust you will not be angry when the next game goes full AI, right?
You can't be okay with this because you want it to ruin goty for the SP games but then be mad when the SP games use it too.
I just know you, that's all. I know that immediately as soon as you can you will be shitting on some game I love because it uses AI in some way I don't care about.
Can we all just accept that there is no line? Here is a game I hate. A multiplayer lobby game that looks as good as the gambit mode on destiny 2 with less depth and enjoyment to me. That's just my take. A single mode. I don't care about this game. Yet, I'm willing to let it go unchallenged and take the games side, not Eurogamers....even though they did use AI voices.
I'm willing to do this because in good faith I trust you will not be angry when the next game goes full AI, right?
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Poppinfresh
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Yeah, I've noticed that A LOT of people seem to be OK with AI usage for this game, but when it's been discussed before, most people have been against it. Not sure how much of that is really support for AI being used in development and how much of it is "I like this game, so I'm going to support it."
For the record, I'm 100% FOR AI replacing as much of the development and creative process as possible, especially voice acting, localization, etc, because I think in the right hands, you won't be able to tell the difference between AI and human-created stuff, and it will (hopefully) vastly improve development time. I'm also looking forward to the day when I can tell an AI what sort of game I want to play in the morning, and be playing something the AI created based on my input by the afternoon.
Like I said previously, I think AI usage in development will be the norm within 5 years.
computergeek
Banned
Bye, Felicia!
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Damn it. Now that the console wars are all but over, the AI wars are going to heat up and replace it.
It never ends.
It never ends.
Catphish
Member
Cyberpunkd
Banned
But they actually gave a pretty good explanation why they have AI voices - because of their ping system, that speaks every single location, item, etc. Otherwise they would have to record new voice lines every single time they add anything to the game.
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
Governments should be prepared. Ideally any company that got rid of staff and replaced them with AI should use their new record breaking profits to help fund UBI.
However, we all know that won't happen.
Cyberpunkd
Banned
On the contrary - I think the US government will be perfectly fine with that. It's probably the EU that will try and reign in this shit.
StereoVsn
Gold Member
Yes, hence the "willing" part. There could be very serious social tribulations related to permanent job loss.
The issue with EU is that it's too disjointed and while they will pass laws slowing down utilization of AI (and already have to an extent), I have to wonder if this will affect European businesses from competitive capability point of view.
That said, yeah, EU countries are likely to at least try and make life better for its citizens.
DirtInUrEye
Banned
Digital Foundry lifting all of their stuff off the EG site and taking it with them must have been devastating.
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Cyberpunkd
Banned
You just described every news outlet in the last 10 years. The largest news portal in Poland - Onet.pl - has EVERY SINGLE news link as a clickbait. Here is a sample thanks to ChatGPT:
• "These prices make hearts race. TVs cheaper by hundreds of zlotys"
• "This device once reigned supreme in Polish homes. Now it's making a comeback"
• "Only 48 hours for this promo! This gem will vanish in the blink of an eye"
• "PiS politician couldn't hide his emotions on air. 'This drives me mad!'"
• "The hero of political gossip. Nawrocki just awarded him"
Honey Bunny
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darth.shrimp
Member
Funny how their anti-AI tirade sounds like it was written by AI, eh...
For the record I am also anti-AI, at least in artistic fields, but this article is ridiculous.
lughnasadh123
Member
It sets a terrible precedent for supposed professional journalists that can review bomb whatever they want based on any personal ideology they have. It didn't work with Hogwart's Legacy and clearly it's not working for this. Wouldn't surprise me at all if GTA 6 is next in line for the boycott/send a message crowd.