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10 Cloverfield Lane |SPOILER THREAD -OT-Hybrid| It’s still not Voltron

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I thought i posted it here and I hope i didn't post it in the non-spoiler thread, but...

I wasn't sure if Goodman was completely telling the truth about accidentally hitting her on the road because the replay looked like he rammed her, right? Right. It's obvious later as the plot unfolds that he was targeting her but I was trying to figure out how he knew to ram her car specifically on a dark road without seemingly any hesitation. Then it hit me while i was on my way home that it was Goodman in the truck that was creeping her the fuck out at the lonely gas station at the beginning. She was a mark all along and it was like a eureka moment. Everything that i was trying to add up made sense. As did the presence of the other guy who Goodman really was looking for an excuse to off after seeing how close he and his love interest were. He only needed an excuse so that he could finally be alone with is waifu, his next victim.

If not for the completely coincidental explosion/invasion and that guy forcing his way in...and subsequently Goodman not quite being sure what to do about the young guy's rather invasive and irritating presence slowing his ability to be with his new love interest, there's no telling what may have happened to her. or when.
 
Defect said:
I forgot to post this but the ARG gave us this a few days ago.

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Nice. The original Cloverfield ARG gave similar glimpses at the "monster".
 
Loved it. Subverted my expectations at every corner.

Subverted them so often that by the time she escaped, took off the mask, I was completely thinking "it's gonna be aliens, isn't it?"

Can't wait for the blu-ray to watch again.
 
I still love the use of "I Think We're Alone Now" in both the trailer and the full movie. Absolutely brilliant.

And I just saw it again. I kept catching TONS of foreshadowing that I missed the first go around. And it's still just as good the second time.
 
The last 20 minutes ruin the movie. I enjoyed the buildup, but the conclusion is woefull garbage.

I don't even care about the
aliens
. It's the tonal shift. The throwing out of all character development to end with a manufactured surprise and an even more manufactured happy ending. Goodman is a hell of an actor, though.
 
Got all 3 IMAX posters, hell yeah.

These things are really nice. Now to get some nice frames.

Seeing these together makes me wish I got all 3 Interstellar IMAX posters. Those formed an image when aligned and it was beautiful.

Timeaisis said:
The last 20 minutes ruin the movie. I enjoyed the buildup, but the conclusion is woefull garbage.

I don't even care about the
aliens
. It's the tonal shift. The throwing out of all character development to end with a manufactured surprise and an even more manufactured happy ending. Goodman is a hell of an actor, though.
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To me, those last 20 or so minutes after she leaves the bunker was the embodiment of character development for Michelle.
 
Slow but solid opening, great middle and climax, bullshit ending. That''s the best ending three writers came up with? Did Howard really give away the ending from the beginning since he was completely right? That's not how you write a suspense movie! Such an obvious, unoriginal conclusion that I've been dying to know for 2 months and they blow it. Anything but an alien invasion would have been better.

At least the rest of it was good. Superb use of tension and my heart raced at quite a few moments like the Santa Claus bit (lol), the vent screw, just about anything that made Howard look like he knows what they're up to. He was great but I don't think it was an award performance. As people have echoed, it's great how it bounces between "he's right" and "he's crazy" and it turns out, he was both. He shouldn't have shot Emmett if he expected Michelle to stay with him; of course she would gain control if she knew definitively he was psychotic.

Movie would've ended on a high note if it was mysterious and I have a feeling J.J. had too much influence on the direction of the ending. It shouldn't have been his project. I knew before seeing it that a) there's aliens (but not like this), and b) it has nothing to do with Cloverfield. My conclusion: a solid Panic Room/Shining-inspired thriller sabotaged but J.J. Abrams.

Edit: I'm reading the big Reddit post and apologies to JJA, it's mainly Paramount's fault. The original script is definitely better.
 
ChoklitReign said:
Slow but solid opening, great middle and climax, bullshit ending. That''s the best ending three writers came up with? Did Howard really give away the ending from the beginning since he was completely right? That's not how you write a suspense movie! Such an obvious, unoriginal conclusion that I've been dying to know for 2 months and they blow it. Anything but an alien invasion would have been better.

At least the rest of it was good. Superb use of tension and my heart raced at quite a few moments like the Santa Claus bit (lol), the vent screw, just about anything that made Howard look like he knows what they're up to. He was great but I don't think it was an award performance. As people have echoed, it's great how it bounces between "he's right" and "he's crazy" and it turns out, he was both. He shouldn't have shot Emmett if he expected Michelle to stay with him; of course she would gain control if she knew definitively he was psychotic.

Movie would've ended on a high note if it was mysterious and I have a feeling J.J. had too much influence on the direction of the ending. It shouldn't have been his project. I knew before seeing it that a) there's aliens (but not like this), and b) it has nothing to do with Cloverfield. My conclusion: a solid Panic Room/Shining-inspired thriller sabotaged but J.J. Abrams.
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What did you want the ending to be? There are so many movies already where "trapped in a bunker" ends up with the twist being that A) There was nothing after all, so the moral of the story is "paranoia lol", or B) It's a nuclear wasteland and whoops looks like they should have stayed down there.

If there were no aliens, this movie would not have been well received and forgettable.

This movie separates itself in that both staying and leaving are fail states, and you really don't know until the end of the movie. And her impulsive decision making culminated in putting her in possibly a worse situation (alien apocalypse) and then allowed her to temporarily escape capture.
 
ChoklitReign said:
Slow but solid opening, great middle and climax, bullshit ending. That''s the best ending three writers came up with? Did Howard really give away the ending from the beginning since he was completely right? That's not how you write a suspense movie! Such an obvious, unoriginal conclusion that I've been dying to know for 2 months and they blow it. Anything but an alien invasion would have been better.

At least the rest of it was good. Superb use of tension and my heart raced at quite a few moments like the Santa Claus bit (lol), the vent screw, just about anything that made Howard look like he knows what they're up to. He was great but I don't think it was an award performance. As people have echoed, it's great how it bounces between "he's right" and "he's crazy" and it turns out, he was both. He shouldn't have shot Emmett if he expected Michelle to stay with him; of course she would gain control if she knew definitively he was psychotic.

Movie would've ended on a high note if it was mysterious and I have a feeling J.J. had too much influence on the direction of the ending. It shouldn't have been his project. I knew before seeing it that a) there's aliens (but not like this), and b) it has nothing to do with Cloverfield. My conclusion: a solid Panic Room/Shining-inspired thriller sabotaged but J.J. Abrams.
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So because a character alluded to the ending that ruins it?

The whole point of Howard was for the audience to think, is he crazy or is he right and since he was both, that's why he was so compelling in the end.

Its all subjective of course but I just find it hard to think someone disliked it because it didn't just happen and wasn't thrown out with no references or allusion. I don't know how one can watch this and not think its mysterious lol
 
Arkeband said:
What did you want the ending to be? There are so many movies already where "trapped in a bunker" ends up with the twist being that A) There was nothing after all, so the moral of the story is "paranoia lol", or B) It's a nuclear wasteland and whoops looks like they should have stayed down there.

If there were no aliens, this movie would not have been well received and forgettable.

This movie separates itself in that both staying and leaving are fail states, and you really don't know until the end of the movie. And her impulsive decision making culminated in putting her in possibly a worse situation (alien apocalypse) and then allowed her to temporarily escape capture.
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AYY
LMAO, that's exactly what Paramount thought. I understand that every post-apocalyptic scenario has been played out, but my disappointment is mostly in the style and tone of the ending rather than the concept. It felt like a scene from Battle: Los Angeles (why are spiky UFOs hip now?) or any blockbuster action movie, so the tonal shift really disappointed me after the subtle suspense of the previous 90 minutes.

We can disagree on the execution. I don't think there should have been a fight with the UFO or alien but I liked having the ending shot of a quick glimpse of what is to come (I hope there's an alternative shot of Clovie in the distance, that would've been perfect). When she escaped, she should have just gotten in her car, drive to the nearest city, and BOOM - something ominous in the distance. The end. That would have pleased me the most. On the bright side, cutting out the fight could make that scenario very possible to edit.
 
I really liked the ending, but would have been fine if it ended at the shot of the UFO over the cornfield and MEW saying "You have to be kidding me".
 
Here's what I would've preferred for the ending: Same lead up and escape. Discovers the air is breathable, sees birds, but no people. Gets in a car, drives away, camera pans up to sky. Shot of the lightning illuminating the space ship. The end.

The alien bit wasn't as annoying as changing the movie from a closed drama to a alien invasion thriller. Seems betrayed. Also, knowing WHAT is out there makes the whole preceeding bit less meaningful, at least to me.
 
Timeaisis said:
Here's what I would've preferred for the ending: Same lead up and escape. Discovers the air is breathable, sees birds, but no people. Gets in a car, drives away, camera pans up to sky. Shot of the lightning illuminating the space ship. The end.

The alien bit wasn't as annoying as changing the movie from a closed drama to a alien invasion thriller. Seems betrayed. Also, knowing WHAT is out there makes the whole preceeding bit less meaningful, at least to me.
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You took the words out of my mouth. In my opinion, the UFO fight is one of the biggest blunders in film editing I've seen.
 
I just got back from seeing this in IMAX, and wow. Great movie. I loved all of the performances (all three of them, well four if you count
the women trying to get into the bunker
), especially Goodman and MEW. Just incredible.

As for connections to Cloverfield, I did see the Slusho sign at the convenience store (I was looking for it) and, am I crazy, or were there a stack of letters/envelopes with a Japan corporation written on them, when
Michelle emerged from the ventilation ducks to fix the air filtration system
. It was only on-screen for a moment, but I thought I saw something. Could this be the same company that hired Rob from the original Cloverfield? Maybe, maybe not. I'll need to see it again.

Similar to Cloverfield, I'll be purchasing this one when it's released for repeated viewings. I really...really enjoyed it.
 
Oh, and did Bradley Cooper provide the voice for Michelle's boyfriend? That definitely sounded like him during the phone call at the beginning of the movie.
 
chaislip3 said:
Oh, and did Bradley Cooper provide the voice for Michelle's boyfriend? That definitely sounded like him during the phone call at the beginning of the movie.
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Yes. Very brief cameo.

Dude will literally take any role. I wouldn't be surprised one bit if he showed up on a Jiffy Lube commercial one day
 
What a fucking movie.

It plays with your expectations so much and actually makes you feel like Michelle does. Is it a Cloverfield monster invasion? Is it actually just contaminated air from an explosion and it's only called Cloverfield cause it's a certain type of "monster" movie?

Once it does go off the rails and reveals what it is, it begs the question "What 'monster' situation would you rather/is 'safer'?" Real monsters of John Goodman?. Dang, so good.
 
chrono01 said:
As for connections to Cloverfield, I did see the Slusho sign at the convenience store (I was looking for it) and, am I crazy, or were there a stack of letters/envelopes with a Japan corporation written on them, when
Michelle emerged from the ventilation ducks to fix the air filtration system
. It was only on-screen for a moment, but I thought I saw something. Could this be the same company that hired Rob from the original Cloverfield? Maybe, maybe not. I'll need to see it again.
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You're right. It's Bold Futura, which is a subsidiary of Tagruato. Cool connection for sure.
 
Really good movie. I wish they didn't include the
chemical vat
stuff, as that stuff and seeing the effects of it makes me woozy.

Anyone know the name of the second song, when Goodman starts shakin' it?
 
I loved the movie up until the action shit with the aliens. If they had ended it with her escaping, getting in a car, THEN showing the Houston skyline with the lightning shadows on the ships...I would have loved it. Weird, weird ending tonally. Dragged the movie down just a tad.
 
Timeaisis said:
Here's what I would've preferred for the ending: Same lead up and escape. Discovers the air is breathable, sees birds, but no people. Gets in a car, drives away, camera pans up to sky. Shot of the lightning illuminating the space ship. The end.

The alien bit wasn't as annoying as changing the movie from a closed drama to a alien invasion thriller. Seems betrayed. Also, knowing WHAT is out there makes the whole preceeding bit less meaningful, at least to me.
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I would have been happy with this ending instead of the double action climax we ended up getting. Really, all the movie needed as its climax was the escape from the bunker.
 
jb1234 said:
I would have been happy with this ending instead of the double action climax we ended up getting. Really, all the movie needed as its climax was the escape from the bunker.
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I would not have preferred that, as much as it would've been a sensical ending to a good thriller. Idk. I know many people are suggesting not to go into the movie
expecting a true sequel to Cloverfield, but giving us that confirmation and double ending gave me a certain satisfaction that almost makes me think that this film will be totally different on rewatch and essentially gives you a great movie on its own but also a good Cloverfield movie that didn't have to spend 2 hours of just running away from kaiju

I feel like if the movie just ended with seeing the alien ship in the distance it would have been just as meaningless as the satellite thingy dropping at the end of the first Cloverfield. I like that the ending we get is pretty definitive instead of the alternative to the first movie's ambiguous ending.
 
I don't get why people say the ending totally threw out character development when like...her biggest "flaw" was that she always ran away from her problems and the ending is showing her fighting back and facing them head on. Not only does she literally fight back and destroy that ship/alien but she goes on to go with other survivors to continue fighting the invasion. That's like perfectly in line with her character development, except now we get to see her development has continued outside of the confines of that bunker in which she really didn't have much of a choice.

I mean, I don't necessarily love that scene where she blew up the ship. It did feel a taaad bit out of place. But it absolutely followed any character development that had happened throughout the rest of the movie.
 
StaticJam said:
This is about where I stand on the film. Part of the issue though might be related to our expectations of the film going in. I wasn't expecting anything more than just some sort of Alien nonsense, so when it got so in depth it was almost jarring.
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That could be it, I really wasn't sure of what I was going to expect from this though. I just felt that the tone of the last bit of it shifted to something a little more silly.

Up till that point the entire film is ominous and unpredictable, but for some reason as soon as they showed that it was clearly aliens, I didn't really doubt that she would make it till the end.

The Molotov scene was just silly to me though unfortunately. As was the rather uncreative creature design, but ho-hum, movie was still fairly good.
 
mjc said:
I loved the movie up until the action shit with the aliens. If they had ended it with her escaping, getting in a car, THEN showing the Houston skyline with the lightning shadows on the ships...I would have loved it. Weird, weird ending tonally. Dragged the movie down just a tad.
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Yeah that would have been a good ending , would have made me go :o

Still happy with the ending we got though
 
Anyone else get an
Ellen Ripley
vibe from Michelle as the movie ended? And I'm not making this comparison solely because
she fought an alien.
 
Elitist1945 said:
That was the original script ending, actually (minus the kaiju).
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And I like it. I get the character development, but quite frankly there stopped being much in the way of characters outside of the cellar.

Throw in a well done kaiju at the end to appease the name change and I'm fine.
 
Buttonbasher said:
You're right. It's Bold Futura, which is a subsidiary of Tagruato. Cool connection for sure.
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Thanks!

I wasn't sure it was something and felt it was worth mentioning (since the glimpse was so quick). Nice to see it was after all! That is a really cool reference, I'm doubtful anyone who didn't follow Cloverfield closely would have even recognize it.
 
Freyjadour said:
And I like it. I get the character development, but quite frankly there stopped being much in the way of characters outside of the cellar.

Throw in a well done kaiju at the end to appease the name change and I'm fine.
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Yeah it might have fit the tone better, but I still loved MEW kicking some alien ass. She deserved that.
 
The alien encounter was the money shot of the movie. I really can't believe you guys think the movie would be better with it gutted.
 
Arkeband said:
The alien encounter was the money shot of the movie. I really can't believe you guys think the movie would be better with it gutted.
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Yeah same here. I actually want to see more of the Aliens. It's been consistent with the story ever since the old woman appears.

But then again I also love Sunshine 3rd act. I love it when film changes tone mid story like From Dusk Till Dawn.
 
Just got back from seeing it. Decided to treat myself while I was out, because it piqued my curiosity. I went alone, but ah well.

It was a pretty good movie, and a good popcorn flick. It kept me thinking until the end, and brought up some interesting questions about John Goodman's character.

I don't know what to think about the ending, though, and
everything after she escapes from the bunker.

It was nice to see John Goodman (who did a good job as usual), and Mary Elizabeth Winstead (was good, great eye candy as always, liked her hair) in starring roles.
 
Replicant said:
Yeah same here. I actually want to see more of the Aliens. It's been consistent with the story ever since the old woman appears.

But then again I also love Sunshine 3rd act. I love it when film changes tone mid story like From Dusk Till Dawn.
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Heresy
 
As much as this movie could probably be enjoyed by itself, I'd still recommend someone who hasn't seen Cloverfield to watch that first before Lane. Honestly, doing either may make or break their reception of Lane anyway.

I also feel like for every difference there's also a similarity between the films. One observation being that they're both shot differently; Cloverfield is a big Hollywood monster spectacle but filmed as a found footage film with a portable, personal camera, while Lane is a more intimate, claustrophobic, single-setting thriller but shot like a professional Hollywood film.
 
Arkeband said:
The alien encounter was the money shot of the movie. I really can't believe you guys think the movie would be better with it gutted.
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Considering how grounded the movie was til then, I found the sudden alien ship SUPER effective. Most movies like this where there are monsters or aliens, I feel a huge disconnect and can't relate to what's happening to the characters because the situations are so extreme . By spending 90min bringing me into the movies world as if it was my own, I legitimately had a knot in my stomach seeing the alien ship. Because right then your not only seeing aliens, but everything youvery learned about what's going on outside implies they are HOSTILE.
 
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