FinalStageBoss
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Same issue, can't stream, can't use share play, uploading to youtube takes forever. But it's to be expected with a garbage company like TW.
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100Mb/s Download , 5Mb/s Upload ...... wait what?
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Same issue, can't stream, can't use share play, uploading to youtube takes forever. But it's to be expected with a garbage company like TW.
Signals are split into frequencies along the cable to increase bandwidth. They split up the frequencies asymmetrically so for example with 10 frequencies 2 are dedicated for upload while 8 are for download. This is because most consumers don't upload a lot, so less upload frequencies are needed
You can request business lines in some areas (costs more obv) that have a 50/50 split for download/upload.
You can request business lines in some areas (costs more obv) that have a 50/50 split for download/upload.
Milchmonster
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AstroNut325
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Just.... speechless!
Do you get real 50 download? Im thinking about changing to Fios because with Optimum i've been getting only around 42 instead of the 50 and its bugging me the fuck out.
RoadHazard
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Yeah, I have 100/10. But I rarely feel like I need higher upload speeds than that. I download far, far more data than I upload. I download games from Steam and PSN, stream video from Netflix and other sites, etc, but I barely upload anything most of the time.
That's true, but still, 99% of the time my 10 Mbps upload is just fine. The initial upload of a bunch of stuff to some online storage might take a while, but from that point on it's typically just a few files here and there.
I'm not saying it wouldn't be cool to have 100/100, but I would rarely actually need it.
EDIT: Oh yeah, streaming gameplay. Well, I don't do that much, but 10 Mbps is fine for 720p30 from the PS4. I guess if I wanted to stream in higher quality from a PC it might be an issue.
That's true, but still, 99% of the time my 10 Mbps upload is just fine. The initial upload of a bunch of stuff to some online storage might take a while, but from that point on it's typically just a few files here and there.
I'm not saying it wouldn't be cool to have 100/100, but I would rarely actually need it.
EDIT: Oh yeah, streaming gameplay. Well, I don't do that much, but 10 Mbps is fine for 720p30 from the PS4. I guess if I wanted to stream in higher quality from a PC it might be an issue.
Christberg
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Invention is the mother of necessity. What happened is that providers wanted to limit upstream bandwidth so they could price gouge businesses. As a result, various DSLAM manufacturers designed their hardware to have cheaper asymmetric data transmission types and router ASICs.
There's no difference in the transmission medium one direction vs. the other.
Telephoto999
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I have to use unlimited LTE tethering via Metro PCS/T-Mobile to get the 'decent' speeds you see above or else I would be stuck with the following speeds:
Fuck AT&T, such a bullshit company.
As a bonus, this is how much my girlfriend gets with AT&T's shitty Uverse:
Holy crap.
Are you me?
South of Atlanta... using TMobile tethered to a DDWRT router because 6MBps crap ATT DSL was all I could get before...
This is the correct answer as long as cable and ADSL/VDSL connections are considered.
Now, some ISP offering FTTH connections - that are symmetric by nature - may nonetheless decide to restrict upload bandwidth because they have to pay much more money to push data out of their network than they have to pull data into it. In this business, consuming data is cheaper than providing it (and it's even more expensive to be a content provider when you're blackmailed by ISPs).
yes, it's actually like 52/52 or something close, all of the tiers for the ISP have matching upload/download speeds (up to 175/175)
I had to switch to Bell Fibre (same deal as Fios I beleive) where they installed fibre optics to my house I and a DSL connection before that where I had a terrible upload
IAmRandom31
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this is what I was mainly going to upgrade for. Download speeds haven't been a problem for a long time even at 18Mb/s. Its the upload speeds I currently get that are ASS which kills any streaming I try and do.
I was thinking of expanding my game streaming into something a bit more tangible and serious using external gear but if my internet upload speeds will kill its potential anyway I wont even bother. Can't afford Fiber at this time. Currently on regular Cable internet.
hobblygobbly
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It entirely depends on what infrastructure you're running on. Most DSL does not have symmetric up/down, it's a technical/hardware issue. So for e.g if you have VDSL you can never have something like 50/50 down and up for example.
ADSL2+ for e.g can only do 24 Mbit/s down and ~3.5 Mbit/s up, you cannot get faster upload no matter what, if your line and stuff is going through such exchange networks then you simply cannot get faster, it's a hardware limitation. VDSL can do 50 Mbit/s down and something like ~18 Mbit/s up.
You need to be on infrastructure that supports symmetrical upstream and downstream (i.e equal rates, like 100/100).
For e.g you need a symmetrical fibre infrastructure to have equal upstream and downstream, you can never have that if you are on asymmetrical infrastructure.
If your ISP isn't offering packages up to what your location/infrastructure offers then they fucking you over. But if you're on outdated infrastructure like asymmetric stuff then you can't do much other than ISP offering the max for what is available to you, but you will never be able to have high upload on asymmetrical, downstream will always be higher.
If you are symmetrical like 50/50 or 100/100 etc then you are lucky and on good infrastructure.
ADSL2+ for e.g can only do 24 Mbit/s down and ~3.5 Mbit/s up, you cannot get faster upload no matter what, if your line and stuff is going through such exchange networks then you simply cannot get faster, it's a hardware limitation. VDSL can do 50 Mbit/s down and something like ~18 Mbit/s up.
You need to be on infrastructure that supports symmetrical upstream and downstream (i.e equal rates, like 100/100).
For e.g you need a symmetrical fibre infrastructure to have equal upstream and downstream, you can never have that if you are on asymmetrical infrastructure.
If your ISP isn't offering packages up to what your location/infrastructure offers then they fucking you over. But if you're on outdated infrastructure like asymmetric stuff then you can't do much other than ISP offering the max for what is available to you, but you will never be able to have high upload on asymmetrical, downstream will always be higher.
If you are symmetrical like 50/50 or 100/100 etc then you are lucky and on good infrastructure.
Holy crap.
Are you me?
South of Atlanta... using TMobile tethered to a DDWRT router because 6MBps crap ATT DSL was all I could get before...
Lmao this post is funny, seeing that you actually gave me some tips to set up my phone's tethering to a dd-wrt router a couple of months ago (thanks for that). Waaaaay better than the shitty local AT&T.
Septimus Prime
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Here's what I'm getting at work right now:
I believe our connection is supposed to be 300/100.
At home, I think I have 50/5 or something like that. It was 30/2.5 with Charter, but they did an upgrade recently.
I believe our connection is supposed to be 300/100.
At home, I think I have 50/5 or something like that. It was 30/2.5 with Charter, but they did an upgrade recently.
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I've never really looked into the why of this, but I'm guessing
1. businesses see that download is more obviously immediately awesome for the user, so they allocate a lot more bandwidth
2. they don't want people running servers and running business off private lines?
I've always just sort of assumed this, however in the netherlands, cable is basically working in that manner as standard, however in any fibre area, it's always equal down/up speeds.
Is there a reason for that? is it because it's just blasting light beams everywhere so if you can fit 200Mbps down the pipe you just bounce the return back at a slightly different angle and there is no penalty for downstream?
I suppose with cable if you want to use more upstream you have to penalise the downstream? but I still don't get why cable providers dont just say 'you have 120Mbps available, split it however you want. Then I could do 60/60 if I wanted (more like 80/40 probably).
1. businesses see that download is more obviously immediately awesome for the user, so they allocate a lot more bandwidth
2. they don't want people running servers and running business off private lines?
I've always just sort of assumed this, however in the netherlands, cable is basically working in that manner as standard, however in any fibre area, it's always equal down/up speeds.
Is there a reason for that? is it because it's just blasting light beams everywhere so if you can fit 200Mbps down the pipe you just bounce the return back at a slightly different angle and there is no penalty for downstream?
I suppose with cable if you want to use more upstream you have to penalise the downstream? but I still don't get why cable providers dont just say 'you have 120Mbps available, split it however you want. Then I could do 60/60 if I wanted (more like 80/40 probably).
Wind's Howling
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That is what cable does for you. Why do you think most companies prefer fiber? Equality.
TheWarrior
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I have 50/50 with FiOS. It's pretty nice when backing up to Google drive.
This is from my phone on wifi
This is from my phone on wifi
Rebel Leader
THE POWER OF BUTTERSCOTCH BOTTOMS
Only because it's faster than uploading =p
RedAssedApe
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Was on 15/1 for the longest time. Pretty much for most of the last console cycle. You don't need need much in the way of upload bandwidth to play online. You'll have a higher chance of being host though if the game is doing p2p. All of the Halos and CODs played fine on 360.
Twitch from consoles requires 2.5Mbps for 720p30/HD setting. Twc bumped certain cities to 50/5 for standard Internet due to their MAXX initiative. This is good enough where I can stream online games on Ps4 in hd and not have it affect online gameplay.
The crap upload speeds of a lot of ISPs sorta of explains why a ton of console streamers are streaming at such abhorrent quality. Most of the time it's the ones playing some type of multiplayer game like cod, bf4, etc.
Twitch from consoles requires 2.5Mbps for 720p30/HD setting. Twc bumped certain cities to 50/5 for standard Internet due to their MAXX initiative. This is good enough where I can stream online games on Ps4 in hd and not have it affect online gameplay.
The crap upload speeds of a lot of ISPs sorta of explains why a ton of console streamers are streaming at such abhorrent quality. Most of the time it's the ones playing some type of multiplayer game like cod, bf4, etc.
Muskieratboi
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On average, 9 down, 1 up, here.
Fuck australia's terrible Broadband access..
Fuck australia's terrible Broadband access..
Cannon Goose
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I get 11 Mbps down (up from like 6, no idea why the speed boost occurred) and 0.85 Mbps up. The upload (and download) is an absolute joke in Australia
phatmike128
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4MB down, 1 up. Australia. Live 10 mins from Brisbane CBD.
Zuhzuhzombie!!
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That but it's also intentional in some situations. Upload/Egress traffic is what actually costs isps money.
IAmRandom31
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Sounds like people need to do more uploading so we can get some faster uploading speeds outside of Fiber connections
I upgraded to 30/5 to test and it seems ok, so far.
I upgraded to 30/5 to test and it seems ok, so far.
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