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15 films that hurt black America

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Exactly, I don't blame Gedde Wantanabe for Long Duk Dong in Sixteen Candles. I blame the fuck outta John Hughes though.
 
ChiTownBuffalo said:
Exactly, I don't blame Gedde Wantanabe for Long Duk Dong in Sixteen Candles. I blame the fuck outta John Hughes though.


NOthing beats the blatant asian racism in Breakfast at Tiffany's though. I blame the whole crew.

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tarius1210 said:
I don't remember Scarface being a big thing in the 90's. It is a fairly recent romance.

The whole Scarface thing really resonates with youths. I only mentioned Cribs because kids actually watched MTV back then and wanted to see the homes of their favorite recording artists. I'm pretty sure this had some effect on them since pretty much every rapper had a Scarface DVD or Scarface poster in their "crib".
This is some sort of joke right? Scarface, mob movies, and kung fu flicks have been a part of black culture (specifically rap/hip hop culture) well before Cribs. Rappers were the primary sparks that began the veneration of Scarface amongst black youths. Cribs just kind of cemented what kids had already been hearing in rap lyrics or seeing emulated/referenced by rappers for years.

see:

Scarface - A famous rapper whose name cames from some fictional character whose name escapes me.

Jay-Z's Reasonable Doubt

... that's just off the top of my head.
 
Superfly???

A film that shamelessly glorifies and even worse, justifies the drug trade that was obliterating the urban landscape. The killer (and contradictory) soundtrack by Curtis Mayfield is this sleazy film's only saving grace.

You would have to be one dumb motherfucker to watch that movie and think the drug trade is great. It was totally anti-drug and showing how it destroyed communities. This list is garbage

Madea's Family Reunion

Yeah I'm out.
 
I wonder how Precious is going to be viewed regarding its effect on the African-American community.

I'm not black, so I certainly cannot contribute much to the discussion, but I've read a wide variety of reactions to it from black film critics and social commentators - many of them very negative.
 
viciouskillersquirrel said:
I know that Gone With The Wind is painfully racist in both the way it glorifies the Old South (the opening screen, for instance) and in the way all the black characters are portrayed, but it's still a masterpiece, damn it. Hattie McDaniel deserved that Oscar, by the way.

I own the blu-ray and when I watch it, I always bear in mind its historical context. It's very much a product of its time and the last gasp of a generation of people who still remembered the events it described. While the Antebellum South was a world that needed to be crushed and its end is a good thing for civilisation as a whole, its memory at that point in time is one that needs to be preserved both as a lesson for the future and because of historical value in and of itself.

Besides which it was, more than anything, the story of the Civil War through the eyes of an anti-hero. Scarlett is a selfish bitch who gets her just desserts in spite of everything she did, and in some cases, because of it. Through the course of the movie and the book, you see her squander every chance she has at happiness chasing an impossible dream that never existed, that never could exist. In many ways, Scarlett represents the remnants of the Confederacy as a whole - an entire nation trying to hold back the tide of history using their bare hands.

I always took what happened to Scarlett to mean that the dream of the Antebellum South that an entire generation pined for was nothing but an illusion that would inevitably crumble, just as the dashing figure of Ashley Wilkes was an illusion to Scarlett.

Would the movie had been better with stronger black characters? I say no (though I do think McDaniel's character was perfect). The story was never about them, really, but their presence does help to contextualise who the main characters are. It sucks, but there's really no place for empowered black characters in Gone With The Wind.

A Lincoln biopic, on the other hand, would be a great opportunity to tell stories about strong black characters.

More like people who misremembered or embellished the events it described. For most white Southerners, Reconstruction was nowhere near as terrible as the book or film make it out to be.

EDIT: BTW, Asian Jesus is awesome.
 
harSon said:
It really isn't.

There is a tendency for Hollywood to do these types of films (The Shining, The Green Mile, The Legend of Bagger Vance, The Stand, Forrest Gump, In America, Song of the South, etc.).

3 of those are Stephen King stories!
 
Dali said:
This is some sort of joke right? Scarface, mob movies, and kung fu flicks have been a part of black culture (specifically rap/hip hop culture) well before Cribs. Rappers were the primary sparks that began the veneration of Scarface amongst black youths. Cribs just kind of cemented what kids had already been hearing in rap lyrics or seeing emulated/referenced by rappers for years.
Isn't that pretty much what I just said? How old do you think hip hop is? It hasn't been around for 50 years. It's a rather recent genre of music.

And, when was Black America every intrigued with gangster films prior to the creation hip hop (early 90's hip hop/gangsta rap)? Blaxploitation films do not count.
 
ChiTownBuffalo said:
Exactly, I don't blame Gedde Wantanabe for Long Duk Dong in Sixteen Candles. I blame the fuck outta John Hughes though.

Having watched the movie for the first time not so long ago, that part was awful.
 
tarius1210 said:
Isn't that pretty much what I just said? How old do you think hip hop is? It hasn't been around for 50 years. It's a rather recent genre of music.

And, when was Black America every intrigued with gangster films prior to the creation hip hop (early 90's hip hop/gangsta rap)? Blaxploitation films do not count.

No, it's not. You said you blame the Scarface phenomenon on Cribs, then if there was any confusion as to what you meant you went on to say Scarface was not an icon (amongst black youths?) in the 90's. This was obviously in an effort to support your original statement that it all started with Cribs.
 
Ripclawe said:
Superfly???



You would have to be one dumb motherfucker to watch that movie and think the drug trade is great. It was totally anti-drug and showing how it destroyed communities. This list is garbage



Yeah I'm out.

you have to think about the time when Superfly was released -- many black communities saw that movie as a prime example of "how to get over". Even the theme song by Curtis Mayfield clearly expresses this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrHezTLex2s

tryna' get overrr
 
Dali said:
No, it's not. You said you blame the Scarface phenomenon on Cribs, then if there was any confusion as to what you meant you went on to say Scarface was not an icon (amongst black youths?) in the 90's. This was obviously in an effort to support your original statement that it all started with Cribs.
You misunderstood what I wrote.

tarius1210 said:
I blame the whole Scarface romance on shows like a Cribs and the like. Alot of the early Cribs episodes had rappers glorifying the film as if it were some masterpiece in film making. Now BET plays shows like American Gangster, a documentary that talks about black gangsters in the hood. WTF!!! Let's glorify the shit that helps keep who live in the ghetto stay in the ghetto.
Please ignore the terrible sentence structure. Threads like this get me so worked up. :lol

Anyways, Cribs is/was part of the problem.
 
Some of those choices are just bullshit whining, but others are pretty legit and should be on that list. I'm just glad Precious didn't make the cut.
 
harSon said:
Pretty decent list.

I'd maybe add something like Our Gang (Buckwheat, Stymie, etc.), a film that helps perpetuate the idea of the Savage African (There's plenty) and possibly something like Menace II Society (Great film but I don't think it had the revealing effect the Hughes brothers were hoping for).

I thought Menace was great. As far as being revealing, I think New Jersey Drive was better in that regard, though introducing one crooked cop as THE villian was a mistake.


Ripclawe said:
Superfly???

You would have to be one dumb motherfucker to watch that movie and think the drug trade is great. It was totally anti-drug and showing how it destroyed communities. This list is garbage


Ie do feel as though you have to look at the context of when it was released. I have read a couple of books about the effects of seemingly anti-drug movies from the 60s and 70s. Many youths had so low self-esteem that they clung on to the drug dealer who had power and respect, regardless of the damage he was doing to the community. Similiar to New Jack City. New Jack had a ton of tragedy, but many think that the Wesley Snipes character was cool. I thought that in that movie they really should have stressed the fuel for his bravado was insecurity. But they didn't go that route.


karasu said:
Foreigners do! Especially those from countries without a lot of black people. Hollywood has played a huge role in their ideas about how we behave.


I agree with this. We had a guy from Russia at work and he thought every black person was a weed fiend who cussed every 5 words. He says the only black people he had seen were in movies. He mentioned Friday and New Jack City.

I think that in America or in a society where there are black people, there really is no reason for that ignorance.
 
Himuro said:
Shows like Cribs are just a small part of the bigger problem. In other words, materialism is nothing new to the black community.

Why do people keep acting like Cribs and materialism is only found in the black community? There are people on that shows of all races and professions. wtf
 
Himuro said:
This thread is about the black community in Black America.

Who else do you want me to talk about?

Have some perspective.

But I'm saying citing Cribs as something that hurt black America, when it isn't unique or specific to blacks (like the issues found in many of these films), doesn't make sense
 
Wow at the Ebert review of Mandingo
Ebert said:
There's a scene at the end of "Mandingo" in which the young plantation master goes out to the slave quarters after his slave Mede. The master's wife has just given birth to a black baby, undoubtedly Mede's, and after poisoning his wife, the master intends to boil Mede alive. Mede builds the fire but demurs at the invitation to jump into the pot. The master shoots him, and the blast knocks him into the boiling cauldron. As he screams and struggles to escape, the master pushes him under with a pitchfork.

In the wretched potboiler (4.5 million copies in print) from which this piece of manure was made, the master goes on to boil Mede down into soup, which he pours on the grave of the unfaithful wife. One cannot say that taste restrained the filmmakers from adding this additional touch, since "Mandingo" betrays not the slightest sign of taste, but perhaps they didn't want to unduly delay the ending, in which James Mason dies not only as a character but surely in spirit.
Ebert said:
What James Mason, as the old master of Falconhurst, is doing in this film is beyond me; He told one interviewer he needed the money for his alimony payments, but surely jail would have been better. His performance is adequately decrepit, and Perry King, as his son, has a few tender scenes with the young slave (Brenda Sykes) he takes as his "bed wench." But even those scenes are only a setup for the final bloodletting. This is a film I felt soiled by, and if I'd been one of the kids in the audience, I'm sure I would have been terrified and grief stricken.
 
Zoramon089 said:
But I'm saying citing Cribs as something that hurt black America, when it isn't unique or specific to blacks (like the issues found in many of these films), doesn't make sense
Well, when you blacks putting up pictures of Tony Montana instead of Martin Luther King Jr. then there is a problem somewhere, right?
 
dskillzhtown said:
I thought Menace was great. As far as being revealing, I think New Jersey Drive was better in that regard, though introducing one crooked cop as THE villian was a mistake.

Don't get me wrong, I love Menace II Society, I just think it didn't have the effect the Hughes brothers were looking for. From what I've seen, people walk away from movies like Menace II Society, Boyz in the Hood, etc. thinking that most people (especially the youth) within these communities are reminiscent of O-Dog and Doughboy. Or at least that's what I've encountered when I tell people I grew up in a project.
 
harSon said:
Don't get me wrong, I love Menace II Society, I just think it didn't have the effect the Hughes brothers were looking for. From what I've seen, people walk away from movies like Menace II Society, Boyz in the Hood, etc. thinking that most people (especially the youth) within these communities are reminiscent of O-Dog and Doughboy. Or at least that's what I've encountered when I tell people I grew up in a project.
The Hughes stated that they didn't intend for the crime to be glamorized, IIRC.

Anyway, what you are describing are ignorant people. You can't blame those films for people being clueless about the world around them.
 
tino said:
Cleopatra is Greek. What the hell?

To be fair, a Greek, especially one living in Egypt's climate, wouldn't have the complexion of Elizabeth Taylor. I suppose Dorthy Dandrige's would be an extreme as well.

I'm not much of a history buff, but aren't historians pretty much clueless as to who Cleopatra's mother is?

Gattsu25 said:
The Hughes stated that they didn't intend for the crime to be glamorized, IIRC.

Anyway, what you are describing are ignorant people. You can't blame those films for people being clueless about the world around them.

Definitely.

But that's sort of what this list is about. Negative or skewed portrayals of Black people that are unfortunately mistaken for truth on an expansive scale.
 
Patrick Bateman said:
Cleopatra (1963)

When producers originally conceived this big budget epic about the Egyptian ruler, they considered casting African-American actress Dorothy Dandridge. Presuming white audiences would stay away they cast Elizabeth Taylor in the title role instead.



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Total downgrade..
What you on about? Elizabeth Taylor was one of the most beautiful women in the world.
 
harSon said:
To be fair, a Greek, especially one living in Egypt's climate, wouldn't have the complexion of Elizabeth Taylor. I suppose Dorthy Dandrige's would be an extreme as well.

I'm not much of a history buff, but aren't historians pretty much clueless as to who Cleopatra's mother is?

Yeah they don't really know. Cleopatra V could have been her mother but nothing is definite. Her father also had a second wife and they're not sure who exactly she was. The Ptolemy's were in Egypt for 300 years and though most of the family tree doesn't branch there are a few blank spots where some non-Greeks could have snuck in. I think they were believed to have at least copulated with some Persians.
 
Sort of off-topic, but I'm taking a History of African-American Films class and we're reading from one of Donald Bogle's texts (http://books.google.com/books?id=Sz...resnum=5&ved=0CBoQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=&f=false) and I can't help but think we need another historian of Black films. Donald Bogle and his book come off as incredibly condescending to early black actors, almost to the point where it seems like he's ashamed to share skin color with them. It's basically a giant middle finger to black pioneers of the medium.
 
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This movie single handily taught me at a young age that in no way would I ever fully understand what it is like to be a black person.
 
I loved Bebe's Kids when I was a kid, but it definitely contributed to me having a subconscious view of black people as "scary" and "different," even as I recognized on a conscious level that it wasn't true.
 
Sanjuro Tsubaki said:
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This movie single handily taught me at a young age that in no way would I ever fully understand what it is like to be a black person.
reginald hudlin. lol.

What a hack.
 
Bebe's Kids.... ugh. I was just a kid when that came out by a remember thinking quite clearly that I am not this.

The Green Mile was cool the first time I saw it, but after watching it a few more times it began to wear on me.
 
I personally cannot see how movies like Driving Miss Daisy and Green Mile make it on that list.

Both movies portray early 1900s America were the African American community was treated like shit in this country. Both movies portray the biggotry and preconcieved notitions of most white people and uses that to drive the plot. How is that different from the stereotypes used for Russians, Arabs, Jews and hell even White people in these or other movies? Lets not forget that at the same time that they are portraying African Americans as oppressed they are portraying most white people in these movies as a bunch of ignorant biggots.
Oh and Driving Miss Daisy deserves every freaking accolade it recieved when it won Best Movie. It was a great movie, great score and great acting from all those involved.
 
the reasoning for Scarface being on the list makes no sense in the context of the other movies on the list.

i can sort of understand why some of the other movies are on there, even if i disagree.

Tyler Perry? really? what did this man do to get so much hate!?
 
Ah I loved Bebe's kids when I was little! I thought it was funny. But I guess looking back it was probably a really bad animated movie but my nostalgia filters are still kind of on for that movie.

And even though I haven't really seen it, I'm not all that surprised Soul Plan was on the list. The previews were super embarrassing to watch and I hope that one funeral movie doesn't follow suit(although it looks like it might, unfortunately)
 
Vestal said:
I personally cannot see how movies like Driving Miss Daisy and Green Mile make it on that list.

Both movies portray early 1900s America were the African American community was treated like shit in this country. Both movies portray the biggotry and preconcieved notitions of most white people and uses that to drive the plot. How is that different from the stereotypes used for Russians, Arabs, Jews and hell even White people in these or other movies? Lets not forget that at the same time that they are portraying African Americans as oppressed they are portraying most white people in these movies as a bunch of ignorant biggots.
Oh and Driving Miss Daisy deserves every freaking accolade it recieved when it won Best Movie. It was a great movie, great score and great acting from all those involved.

Because Hollywood has a tendency to ignore the bigotry of Americans in that era, and focus on unlikely friendships instead.

Basically, "We're aware of the extreme bigotry of the time, but heres a happy interracial friendship instead! ^^". Forrest Gump for example.
 
Himuro said:
Scary? :lol

Haha, yeah dude. I was a short, timid little kid who was afraid of even the slightest showing of aggressiveness. I found the movie hilarious, but I was definitely afraid of ever meeting any kids like the ones in the movie.

I don't think it had that effect on me re: black girls, because I was friends with one as a child, but I was definitely had some fear about black guys for a long time as a child, despite knowing it was wrong to feel that way.
 
Himuro said:
I felt the same way. But I knew cousins who acted like that.
Yeah, but I didn't realize exactly how dysfunctional they were until I saw the movie. I think thats when I started separating myself from those kinds of people too.
The Faceless Master said:
Tyler Perry? really? what did this man do to get so much hate!?
I can't stand Tyler Perry. House of Payne is alright, but the majority of his shit makes me cringe.
 
The Faceless Master said:
the reasoning for Scarface being on the list makes no sense in the context of the other movies on the list.

i can sort of understand why some of the other movies are on there, even if i disagree.

Tyler Perry? really? what did this man do to get so much hate!?
In multiple cities I have passed a black man selling Scarface blankets, shirts, hats maybe 7-10 times or so. I've had debates a couple times to the guy yelling out at me to check his product with myself replying I don't like the movie. Practically each time the guy becomes enraged and starts making threats towards me.

By itself is Scarface damaging? Probably not. It certainly has a strong negative impact on a portion of the viewers.
 
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