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[TJ Bennett]

So as it stands now it there are 4 games that are contenders to make good launch games - COD, Resistence, Warhawk, and Motorsport. The others mentioned sound less than stellar. My hope is that Insomniac can pull out another masterpiece somehow.

 

[dark10x]

I don't think HS is coming until Marchish maybe. It can be PS3's GRAW type game.

I expect:
Ridge Racer 7
Resistance
Warhawk
MotorStorm

If those four titles made it (at least), that could be a REALLY solid beginning. Those four right there would make it more appealing than the 360 launch lineup for me, but there could be more than that.

Oh, and yes, I'm interested in Sonic. It's coming to both machines, but the framerate was supposedly higher on the PS3 at E3 (not that early builds mean all that much).

 

[Dante]

Sony is just on the recieving end now. Get used to it.

:lol This is nothing compared to how it used to be before that other forum was spawned and Dreamcast died.

 

[dark10x]

Whoops, double post.

 

[sonycowboy]

I found this listing of potential titles at stockarena and they seem reasonable, but I'd have to guess there's some stuff missing. Namco's got to have a title, right? And what about Capcom or Konami? If not, then the Japanese launch could be a little rough?

These seem like likely cantidates based on E3. Maybe I'm missing something?

Not a particularly sterling lineup against the 360 and seems very light on western publishers committing much.

ATVI COD 3, Marvel Alliance, Tony Hawk
EA Madden, NBA Live, NFS, Tiger
KOEI Bladestorm, Fatal Intertia
SEGA Sonic, Virtua Tennis, Full Auto 2
SOE Untold Legends
Sony Genji 2, Resistance, Warhawk
T2 NBA, College Hoops, NHL
THQ Smackdown
UBI Rainbow Six

 

[Y2Kev]

I forgot Genji.

Probably because it should have been released on psone seven years ago.

 

[Ponn]

So as it stands now it there are 4 games that are contenders to make good launch games - COD, Resistence, Warhawk, and Motorsport. The others mentioned sound less than stellar. My hope is that Insomniac can pull out another masterpiece somehow.

I would consider FFXII a launch title as well. For upscaling alone.

 

[Y2Kev]

Hoh shit I didn't even think of FFXII.

That's a game I have to play.

 

[Ponn]

Hoh shit I didn't even think of FFXII.

That's a game I have to play.

*bitchslap*

Wake Up! I'm FFXII BITCH!

 

[meltpotato]

Stranglehold is cross platform and slated for the 360 in Sept i believe...

 

[snatches]

Are any of you guys getting a PS3 at launch getting a Wii as well? Do you own 360's? If so, what the hell do you guys do for work? Cuz I wan't a piece of that pie. I already have to get the following this fall, for sure;

Mass Effect
Gears of War
FFXII
Wii console
Zelda Wii
Mario Galaxy
Metroid Prime 3
Too Human
Splinter Cell: DA
R6: Vegas

That's already going to cost me $700. I couldn't imagine waiting to buy any of these titles, and I sure as hell don't have another $600 + peripherals + launch games to spend on a PS3.

So seriously, where do you guys work, and are you hiring anyone in Sales/Marketing?

 

[Sathsquatch]

I forgot Genji.

Probably because it should have been released on psone seven years ago.

Not with realtime weapon change

 

[sonycowboy]

Are any of you guys getting a PS3 at launch getting a Wii as well? Do you own 360's? If so, what the hell do you guys do for work? Cuz I wan't a piece of that pie. I already have to get the following this fall, for sure;

Mass Effect
Gears of War
FFXII
Wii console
Zelda Wii
Mario Galaxy
Metroid Prime 3
Too Human
Splinter Cell: DA
R6: Vegas

That's already going to cost me $700. I couldn't imagine waiting to buy any of these titles, and I sure as hell don't have another $600 + peripherals + launch games to spend on a PS3.

So seriously, where do you guys work, and are you hiring anyone in Sales/Marketing?

Well, given that there are ~50M in the US that have current gen consoles vs 1.5M that have 360's, it's possible that many folks here who are getting the PS3 or Wii don't have, or aren't going to use your shopping list + buy the $400 360.

That being said, I don't see how folks aren't going to lay out < $750-$800 for the PS3 when it's all said and done.

 

[Shompola]

The launch lineup as we know it looks like some average titles.. We wouldnt give a shit about these titles if there were on Xbox 360 for example.

 

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tie in ratio: 0.50

Blu-ray movies don't count.

 

[Kangu]

Are any of you guys getting a PS3 at launch getting a Wii as well? Do you own 360's? If so, what the hell do you guys do for work? Cuz I wan't a piece of that pie. I already have to get the following this fall, for sure;

Mass Effect
Gears of War
FFXII
Wii console
Zelda Wii
Mario Galaxy
Metroid Prime 3
Too Human
Splinter Cell: DA
R6: Vegas

That's already going to cost me $700. I couldn't imagine waiting to buy any of these titles, and I sure as hell don't have another $600 + peripherals + launch games to spend on a PS3.

So seriously, where do you guys work, and are you hiring anyone in Sales/Marketing?

You must have really liked Eternal Darkness.

 

[sonycowboy]

The launch lineup as we know it looks like some average titles.. We wouldnt give a shit about these titles if there were on Xbox 360 for example.

But folks did give a shit about them last year. It's pretty darn comparable to the 360 launch. The assumption by both Microsoft and Sony that you don't put big stuff in at launch because the HW will sell itself. Better to have stuff come out in the Spring when HW needs a bump.

Of course, $500-$600, might need a little help.

 

[xaosslug]

My guess is that there ought to be loads of Japanese content/playable(s)/announcements at Sony's July show.

Also, about Genji 2, I thought Genji was thought of as an OK game that was too short and too much a blatant Onimusha ripoff?

 

[Speevy]

Sony's making 15 games for the PS3 launch of 15 games total?

 

[Ponn]

Well, given that there are ~50M in the US that have current gen consoles vs 1.5M that have 360's, it's possible that many folks here who are getting the PS3 or Wii don't have, or aren't going to use your shopping list + buy the $400 360.

That being said, I don't see how folks aren't going to lay out < $750-$800 for the PS3 when it's all said and done.

PS3 - $600
HDMI cable = $20 (maybe even less with friend at best buy who can get at cost)
fuck extra controller, bitch friends can buy their own
Marvel Ultimate Alliance - $60
Batman Begins BR - $22
FFXII - $50
Wii - $200
again, screw extra controller
Zelda TP - $50

= $1002 with variable of warranty for PS3

- $1000 for PS3 sold on ebay


= money left for Heavenly Sword, Lair and Assassins Creed after the holidays

 

[Moonwalker]

I'm sure Riiiiiidge Racerrrr! will be there for launch. :lol

sorry couldn't resist.

 

[Skilotonn]

Didn't say what?

You were right though, 6 months away IS to early to be confirming launch titles, which is probably why he said he expects[/] around 15 launch titles.

Nice edit in your original post before the time was up...

And thank you for taking a second to rethink what I said instead of accusing me as a troll the first time, when all I was stating was common sense...

 

[Count Chocula]

I'm psyched about PS3. I hope that Virtua Tennis 3 makes launch. But I'll be having enough fun with the system by itself going online and testing out the meadia features.

 

[Kangu]

But folks did give a shit about them last year. It's pretty darn comparable to the 360 launch. The assumption by both Microsoft and Sony that you don't put big stuff in at launch because the HW will sell itself. Better to have stuff come out in the Spring when HW needs a bump.

Of course, $500-$600, might need a little help.

Well if that is the assumption on their part then it's a pretty stupid one. One very high quality title at launch stands out amongst the crowd and can ride the wave to massive sales throuhgout the consoles life time, as evidenced by Halo and SSB:M. Sony launched with mostly crap, and hence has no comparable games. This is why the guys at Ninja Theory originaly emphasized the importance of launching with a new console, and I can't figure out why they've moved away from it.

 

[Bebpo]

Are any of you guys getting a PS3 at launch getting a Wii as well? Do you own 360's? If so, what the hell do you guys do for work? Cuz I wan't a piece of that pie. I already have to get the following this fall, for sure;

Mass Effect
Gears of War
FFXII
Wii console
Zelda Wii
Mario Galaxy
Metroid Prime 3
Too Human
Splinter Cell: DA
R6: Vegas

That's already going to cost me $700. I couldn't imagine waiting to buy any of these titles, and I sure as hell don't have another $600 + peripherals + launch games to spend on a PS3.

So seriously, where do you guys work, and are you hiring anyone in Sales/Marketing?

You know some of those aren't even coming out this year (Mario Galaxy/Too Human)...right? Plus to some people the PS3 lineup might be more enticing at launch than a Wii lineup with MP3 and a game they could play on their GC.

The launch lineup as we know it looks like some average titles.. We wouldnt give a shit about these titles if there were on Xbox 360 for example.

...I would have sworn we've been saying this same thing about 50% of the X360 games that have come out so far but replacing X360 with PS2 in your quote.

 

[Rhindle]

Unless Resistance shapes up dramatically between now and November, I think Sony delays their launch.

It just doesn't make any sense. They're just going to compound damage to their brand with a PS2-style launch. Surely they are not naive enough to think they can pull it off at this point.

 

[Speevy]

...I would have sworn we've been saying this same thing about 50% of the X360 games that have come out so far but replacing X360 with PS2 in your quote.

Most launch games aren't great. Sony needs to get as much eye candy on its system as possible in order to stand out this holiday season.

 

[sonycowboy]

Well if that is the assumption on their part then it's a pretty stupid one. One very high quality title at launch stands out amongst the crowd and can ride the wave to massive sales throuhgout the consoles life time, as evidenced by Halo and SSB:M. Sony launched with mostly crap, and hence has no comparable games. This is why the guys at Ninja Theory originaly emphasized the importance of launching with a new console, and I can't figure out why they've moved away from it.

Answer this:

If Oblivion, Fight Night, or GRAW was available at launch, would a single extra 360 have been sold before March? It benefits both sides to have some titles slid to a better spot.

 

[Doom_Bringer]

from the looks it Resistence will the killer app for PS3. Insomniac is great developer (R&C2 rocks). Warhawk might be good as well since its only 30% complete right now...

 

[mj1108]

Quality ratio: 1:15

That's actually the tie ratio.

 

[sonycowboy]

Unless Resistance shapes up dramatically between now and November, I think Sony delays their launch.

It just doesn't make any sense. They're just going to compound damage to their brand with a PS2-style launch. Surely they are not naive enough to think they can pull it off at this point.

C'mon. It was extremely polished and playable. You can certainly call it derivative, but it's in better shape, by far, than any 360 title last year.

I agree that Resistance isn't a title that you would expect to carry the launch, and as of right now with Motorstorm & Heavenly Sword not there for launch, Sony could use a third party to step in, but the titles WERE FAR ahead of where the 360 titles were last year and compares favorably to the launch lineup last year.

While it may have a tough time against the 360 fall lineup (or not), it's ridiculous to say they should delay. It's a statement that screams disingenuity.

 

[Speevy]

Is Motorstorm not making this year either?

 

[Kangu]

Answer this:

If Oblivion, Fight Night, or GRAW was available at launch, would a single extra 360 have been sold before March? It benefits both sides to have some titles slid to a better spot.

Why should a publisher care if their games sell consoles? They're out to sell games, and if Oblivion had been available at launch Bethseda would be laughing all the way to the bank (more so than they are now).

From a console maker viewpoint the strategy makes more sense, but for individual game sales it's counterproductive.

 

[Ghengis Cohen]

Answer this:

If Oblivion, Fight Night, or GRAW was available at launch, would a single extra 360 have been sold before March? It benefits both sides to have some titles slid to a better spot.

Stop being so damned reasonable. Seriously though March will be the make or break month for the PS3 for many people. If Sony can get some titles in there that can carry the system past the post launch hype and sell some 600 dollar systems on the strength of games instead the brand itself then it may be in good shape. If march passes without any really strong titles...well..we'll see.

 

[Guileless]

Maybe it´s time to relax ourselves before this goes from funny jokes to annoyance. Just saying.

I know it's only been a week, but at this point I honestly can't envision a situation where I'm not amused by references to:

1. Warhawk Guy
2. Ridge Racer! Riiiiiiiiiiiidge Racer!
3. Giant historical crabs from the annals of Japanese military history

 

[sonycowboy]

Why should a publisher care if their games sell consoles? They're out to sell games, and if Oblivion had been available at launch Bethseda would be laughing all the way to the bank (more so than they are now).

From a console maker viewpoint the strategy makes more sense, but for individual game sales it's counterproductive.

Hardware manufacturers work with publishers to create windows for games ALL THE TIME. And they make it worth their while. Many times the publisher would have done it anyway and sometimes they dodge the release window on purpose, but that doesn't change the fact that the hardware guys approach publishers for this kind of movement quite oftem.

And, if Oblivion or GRAW had been available at launch, it's entirely possible that they could have had lower if not the same sales as the number of HW units out there was criminally tiny up until March. COD would have done worse and there are only so many games that small userbase can buy.

 

[Die Squirrel Die]

I'm psyched about PS3. I hope that Virtua Tennis 3 makes launch. But I'll be having enough fun with the system by itself going online and testing out the meadia features.

I'm pretty sure Sega said Spring '07 when they announced the VT3 home conversion.

 

[richman555]

So how much would it cost to buy the console and all 15 launch titles?

$599 + (15* $60) = $1499

 

[Shompola]

...I would have sworn we've been saying this same thing about 50% of the X360 games that have come out so far but replacing X360 with PS2 in your quote.

Wich also makes sense.

 

[Speevy]

So how much would it cost to buy the console and all 15 launch titles?

Your kids aren't going to college.

 

[TJ Bennett]

I waited 3 months until I picked up a 360 and I expect my wait for PS3 to be longer than that. I think in most cases you don't need a solid launch library to have a good launch, but in this case if Sony has shit come November and Microsoft is able to release Gears of War, Splinter Cell, Mass Effect, etc., its going to be real hard to convince a consumer that the PS3 is worth $200 more than a 360.

 

[Rhindle]

C'mon. It was extremely polished and playable. You can certainly call it derivative, but it's in better shape, by far, than any 360 title last year.

I agree that Resistance isn't a title that you would expect to carry the launch, and as of right now with Motorstorm & Heavenly Sword not there for launch, Sony could use a third party to step in, but the titles WERE FAR ahead of where the 360 titles were last year and compares favorably to the launch lineup last year.

While it may have a tough time against the 360 fall lineup (or not), it's ridiculous to say they should delay. It's a statement that screams disingenuity.

I'm not being disingenuous at all. The Resistance demo was only playable and poliched if you consider running through a field shooting a bunch of stationary targets that barely notice you're there polished.

Besides, it's not a matter of technical polish or whatever. It's a matter of not having anything with some amount of drawing power to launch with. Having a couple of halfway decent no-name games at launch will not reflects positively on the brand. It will feed the perception that Playstation is now the secondary brand with a bunch of me-two titles.

Sony has to demonstrate AT LAUNCH that there are good reasons to spend $600 on the machine. Otherwise, they will just continue to take on water, and it becomes harder and harder to turn around public perception.

 

[sonycowboy]

I'm not being disingenuous at all. The Resistance demo was only playable and poliched if you consider running through a field shooting a bunch of stationary targets that barely notice you're there polished.

Besides, it's not a matter of technical polish or whatever. It's a matter of not having anything with some amount of drawing power to launch with. Having a couple of halfway decent no-name games at launch will not reflects positively on the brand. It will feed the perception that Playstation is now the secondary brand with a bunch of me-two titles.

Sony has to demonstrate AT LAUNCH that there are good reasons to spend $600 on the machine. Otherwise, they will just continue to take on water, and it becomes harder and harder to turn around public perception.

What did the 360 have?

I understand it was only $400 (just as I'm sure you know that the $500 model is directly comparable), but are you saying because it's the Playstation brand, people will demand higher quality or because of the $100 difference, or both?

I also don't specifically remember you being quite this negative after the 360 E3 showing last year, but perhaps you were.

I absolutely believe that the higher price is going to be tough on Sony and the media (which is incredibly important) are going to be even tougher, but forgetting the spin on both sides, I don't see how what we know about Sony's launch 6 months out gives ANY reason at all to call for a delay.

 

[Rhindle]

What did the 360 have?

I understand it was only $400 (just as I'm sure you know that the $500 model is directly comparable), but are you saying because it's the Playstation brand, people will demand higher quality or because of the $100 difference, or both?

I also don't specifically remember you being quite this negative after the 360 E3 showing last year, but perhaps you were.

I absolutely believe that the higher price is going to be tough on Sony and the media (which is incredibly important) are going to be even tougher, but forgetting the spin on both sides, I don't see how what we know about Sony's launch 6 months out gives ANY reason at all to call for a delay.

360 had a Call of Duty, Perfect Dark, Need for Speed, PGR -- plenty of known franchises for people to justify their purchase. If you're going to launch based on a bunch of new brands, the bar is much higher. If it isn't something that will create Halo or GTA-caliber buzz, it won't help people justify spending the $600.

I do think that Sony also has more to lose in terms of public perception. It's main drawing card has been that it's the platform that "gets all the games." It has the live up to that early on.

 

[ForzaItalia]

Come on, I have to be the first?

Riiiiiiiiiiidge Racer, Ridge Racer!

*criiiiiiiiickets, crickets*

 

[gutter_trash]

i'm getting RIDGE RACER!!!
i'm not kidding though

 

[Kangu]

And they make it worth their while.

Care to give some examples? I'm not doubting you, but I've never heard of this 'arrangement'.

 

[ghst]

SCEA boss Kaz Hirai [/url]

I cant read that name anymore without thinking about those 2 little words.

 

[koam]

Is blatant trolling now allowed on the forum?

It's not trolling, it's vengeance.

 

[sonycowboy]

360 had a Call of Duty, Perfect Dark, Need for Speed, PGR -- plenty of known franchises for people to justify their purchase. If you're going to launch based on a bunch of new brands, the bar is much higher. If it isn't something that will create Halo or GTA-caliber buzz, it won't help people justify spending the $600.

I do think that Sony also has more to lose in terms of public perception. It's main drawing card has been that it's the platform that "gets all the games." It has the live up to that early on.

PS3 looks to have Call of Duty & Need for Speed (Carbon). So, you've got PGR, which hasn't exactly lit the sales world on fire, although it is high quality, and Perfect Dark, which did have quite a bit of brand recognintion.

I'd say PDZ is the main tentpole that folks looked at for the 360 launch. I don't see it's match in the PS3's lineup from a brand recognition standpoint, but there's still time to find out what the launch titles are.

On the flip side, there's still Resistance & Warhawk, as well as some Japanese support. I'd say the 2 launches are close to even in terms of system selling titles, but who know's what will actually hit?