dream431ca
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Why does this person have to accept such low framerates? Maybe just upgrade the computer??
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17-22FPS acceptable for ordinary gamers?
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cobragt4001
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*shrugs*
GroundCombo
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My blood pressure shoots up every time I read a framerate thread. I'm very sensitive to low framerates and I've had to skip too many good games because of it. I've never played Bioshock because the PS3 demo was horrible and I don't have a PC (there's a Mac version now, so maybe I'll get around to it some day). Skipped Bayonetta for the same reason. I even played through the demo twice to see if I could deal with it - nope.
If you really are ok with bad framerates, fine - but do me a favour and stop spreading bullshit like "you can't see the difference, if you need 60 you're just an elitist". I tested myself back in the Quake days, with a CRT, and I had to dial the cl_maxfps (or whatever the equivalent was, I forget) up to 70-75 to be comfortable. I have absolutely no problem believing that some people can require even more.
There are only two things I want from the next-gen consoles. Better framerates and less waiting. I don't care about pixels. They're good enough for me. Give me an option for fewer but smoother pixels.
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If you really are ok with bad framerates, fine - but do me a favour and stop spreading bullshit like "you can't see the difference, if you need 60 you're just an elitist". I tested myself back in the Quake days, with a CRT, and I had to dial the cl_maxfps (or whatever the equivalent was, I forget) up to 70-75 to be comfortable. I have absolutely no problem believing that some people can require even more.
There are only two things I want from the next-gen consoles. Better framerates and less waiting. I don't care about pixels. They're good enough for me. Give me an option for fewer but smoother pixels.
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Windom Earle
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GTA 4 on consoles does dip that low frequently and many people think it's fine, so yes. Many people have low standards.
I used to play PC games at this framerate when I was a kid and did not have money to buy a new rig. Luckily those times are over.
I used to play PC games at this framerate when I was a kid and did not have money to buy a new rig. Luckily those times are over.
I remember playing Age of Conan at around 10-12 and under when it first came out. That wasn't too great! I can tolerate a lot. To be honest anything below 24 FPS is pretty unfavorable. 28-30 consistently is preferable. Anything above that is more than welcome, but not entirely necessary for me to really care that much.
IncandescentPrecept
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PC = Politically correct.
i only am okay with 17-22 fps when i play some games I really want to play on emulators which otherwise I couldn't play. And they are games that do not require quick reflexes. Unstable 17-22fps FPS are at the edge of unplayable.
It is obviously noticable that it's on awful frame rates.
It is obviously noticable that it's on awful frame rates.
For me 17-22fps would be terrible and not really playable however for some of my friends who are not so into gaming it would be playable (sort of like what I consider 28-30fps to be).
However anything under 22fps I think they would consider that to be "slow" as they don't really know what framerate is and tearing is not noticeable to the majority of them.
But again saying that a lot of my friends who play the odd game play a lot of CoD and FIFA which are both have pretty smooth framerates so it might be a case of games being popular because of smooth framerate (they don't play Battlefield on consoles and that could be down to the lower framerate).
However anything under 22fps I think they would consider that to be "slow" as they don't really know what framerate is and tearing is not noticeable to the majority of them.
But again saying that a lot of my friends who play the odd game play a lot of CoD and FIFA which are both have pretty smooth framerates so it might be a case of games being popular because of smooth framerate (they don't play Battlefield on consoles and that could be down to the lower framerate).
Bjoern the Smexy
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You know, guys...
There ARE people out there who can settle for less than average. Not everyone needs "the PERFECT experience!".
I'm okay with 17-22 FPS. In fact, that's how I grew up playing games on PC, actually. It wasn't until two years ago before I had a decent gaming rig and now I can play most games with at least 30 fps or more.
Of course, it also depends a bit on the game. GTA games below 20 or so fps are basically unplayable for me, whereas I fought my way through Half-Life 2 back in the day having seldomly gotten more than 20 fps, and the experience from it wasn't any worse because of that.
There ARE people out there who can settle for less than average. Not everyone needs "the PERFECT experience!".
I'm okay with 17-22 FPS. In fact, that's how I grew up playing games on PC, actually. It wasn't until two years ago before I had a decent gaming rig and now I can play most games with at least 30 fps or more.
Of course, it also depends a bit on the game. GTA games below 20 or so fps are basically unplayable for me, whereas I fought my way through Half-Life 2 back in the day having seldomly gotten more than 20 fps, and the experience from it wasn't any worse because of that.
More like once you have experienced the proper FPS range , you wouldn't look back anymore . For me I can't tolerate anything below 30 .
She plays on a Macbook. They are obviously not build for games, I can barely run WoW on mine.
IncandescentPrecept
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I feel bad for everyone who missed out on RDR, TLoU, Demon's Souls or Uncharted 
See, this mentality is just so condescending. I understand people who have to have 60 FPS or they die, they just DIE! If that's how you need it, then whatever floats your boat. However, acting as if you're somehow a superior "gamer" because your tastes are just oh-so refine, is really ridiculous. There are plenty of people out there who have played games for many years. People who have played more games than you have in your life. People who are vastly more knowledgeable of gaming than yourself. Those people exist, and there are plenty of them who can easily tolerate 17-22 FPS, as it is not the Earth-shattering experience that many make it out to be. Acting as if the only people who can stand to play at 17-22 fps are casual gamers is really uncool.
child, please.
For me dips under 30 is okay but under 30 consistant is awful.
60 is the best ofc.
And I notice people who say under 30 is okay keep referring to that they had bad PCs = they had no other option.
I had the same thing, played an MMO at 20-30fps for years on an old PC and it was "okay" but only because I had no other option!
After seeing stable 30 and stable 60 I would NEVER go back. I think that is the same for everyone. Its only acceptable because there is no other option, and that dosent really make it acceptable.
60 is the best ofc.
And I notice people who say under 30 is okay keep referring to that they had bad PCs = they had no other option.
I had the same thing, played an MMO at 20-30fps for years on an old PC and it was "okay" but only because I had no other option!
After seeing stable 30 and stable 60 I would NEVER go back. I think that is the same for everyone. Its only acceptable because there is no other option, and that dosent really make it acceptable.
Damn, what did you run it on? I remember getting an average of a bit above 30 fps on a x1900gt/C2D E6300.
Succinct Verbosity
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Low FPS makes me feel sick. I'm pretty sure the reason I couldn't enjoy a lot of the 3D N64 era games is because of the low FPS.
That's not really how I meant it to sound, sorry if it came off that way but I don't see myself as a superior "gamer" at all. I was going by what I like and my friends like.
I tend to notice screen tear and framerates lower than 30 fps. However to most of my friends they generally don't notice it or care. I am also not saying that all games must be greater than a certain framerate to be good just for me personally to want to play them I like a framerate over 30fps.
Anyone here saying that anything <60 is crap are spoiled kids.
I spent all my childhood on low-end pc's, remember playing through games like GTA:SA, HL2, Doom3, Assassin's Creed on 20-ish fps, just because I had no choice. It wasn't pleasant, far from it - it was just barely enough to advance through the game.
I would say 17-22 is acceptable just to be able to play the game, but the difference is clearly visible even for casual gamers and there's a huge discomfort.
I spent all my childhood on low-end pc's, remember playing through games like GTA:SA, HL2, Doom3, Assassin's Creed on 20-ish fps, just because I had no choice. It wasn't pleasant, far from it - it was just barely enough to advance through the game.
I would say 17-22 is acceptable just to be able to play the game, but the difference is clearly visible even for casual gamers and there's a huge discomfort.
Shrike_Priest
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Growing up, in a Mac household, I learnt to play games with slow framerates. My first gaming computer was the original iMac. On which I played Deus Ex, Unreal Tournament, Quake 3 and lots of other stuff. Most of it ran in the 20-30 range, and the games were still awesome. Of course, if'd have had the cash to build a gaming PC and have that side by side I would have preferred it, and later, playing those games on my G5, the improvement was obvious, but I honestly don't think anything was unplayable. And I was a gamer, I had my playstation, and I played games constantly, so I knew what FPS was, I knew that 60fps was the target you were "supposed" to hit, but I didn't care and I enjoyed the games massively.
As for COD, sure it's 60fps on consoles, but I think the majority of people who played it on PC necessarily played it with GPUs that had it at 60.
As for COD, sure it's 60fps on consoles, but I think the majority of people who played it on PC necessarily played it with GPUs that had it at 60.
I don't mind the low frame rate in Ocarina of Time, for example. Though higher is obviously better up to a certain point.
25 is the absolute minimum for me. Anything below that is horrible. I'd rather read a comic book in that case.
But for casual players, it's probably not a problem that games dip below 20-25 from time to time. Far Cry 3 on console was garbage, but I didn't see many complaining about it.
But for casual players, it's probably not a problem that games dip below 20-25 from time to time. Far Cry 3 on console was garbage, but I didn't see many complaining about it.
These are some Perfect Dark Type framerates. It was a problem back then, it wouldn't be acceptable at all now.
Usually I find a solid 30 is fine for most games played with a controller. Fighting games and driving games benefit from more. I don't play many FPS games, none in multi. Third person games are fine in 30 in my experience, anything more is a bonus.
Usually I find a solid 30 is fine for most games played with a controller. Fighting games and driving games benefit from more. I don't play many FPS games, none in multi. Third person games are fine in 30 in my experience, anything more is a bonus.
Princess Viola
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I think 30 or 60 is best, but I could manage to deal with below that.
FrozenCell
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It's no big deal, but there are certainly plenty of people around who carry that kind of mentality. Everyone has the right to like whatever they choose, but it's really a downer when people act as if people with differing tastes or opinions are somehow inferior. I completely agree that 30-60 FPS is the ideal way to play games, but I've also trudged through games with 15 frame averages and dips into single digits. It's definitely hellish, but some people really act like drama queens lol.
Unless you play Morrowind (it is a miracle or a very powerful CPU if you can get it run consistently above 25FPS, on my laptop i get something between 15-30 usually which is no better than a ten year old computer i have...), no, 17-22 is not enough. 30 is good, as long as it is maintained (can't afford any drops with 30).
(I won't give a shit about having more than 30FPS though)
(I won't give a shit about having more than 30FPS though)
Stuttering is something i would qualify as unplayable. Gives headaches no matter the frame rate.
They have no idea how it works, but they can definitely feels its effects. So, no those framerates aren't acceptable even for the ordinary gamer. They may only understand this when playing the game at those silly framerates.