Hitler Stole My Potato
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The Orange said:
Uhh, because you were implying that 360 couldn't do this because of some limitation with its CPU? The 360 definitely could do it, it's just a matter if people would feel comfortable in letting it do it.
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Uhh, because you were implying that 360 couldn't do this because of some limitation with its CPU? The 360 definitely could do it, it's just a matter if people would feel comfortable in letting it do it.
Hitler Stole My Potato said:
I think the insinuation is that MS doesn't want it on 360 unless they can be guaranteed that it will be pumping through proteins as equally fast as PS3 - because you just know there'd a thread about it here on GAF if it didn't - and probably a whole segment on 1UpYours.
My PS3 isn't loud or hot when I'm running F@H and it's a launch 20GB, so I guess people's mileage will vary.
The Orange
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Hitler Stole My Potato said:
I said it wouldn't perform as well as the PS3. You would get shit like "PS3 is 10 times more powerful than the X360!!" while it has more to do with the structure of the CPU, not the power. I'm not from the console world, PC only, so I know you can run this on almost any PC out there.
HK-47 said:
It can, and if it used the ATI gfx-card in the 360 it would probably fold just as well as the PS3 does on it's processor.
The professor in charge of the project (Viijay Singh) actually visited Microsoft and talked with them about this according to him on the folding@home-forums.
Unfortunately nothing solid came out of that meeting, and us regular people will never get to know why because of him having to sign NDA's before he could get a meeting.
We can allways guess; maybe Microsoft weren't willing to take the risk running the software on their hardware, since it does generate heat. Or maybe they have different plans using the system resources beein used when folding for different projects wich they think is more important, or maybe they simply own to much stock in different prozac medical companies to allow a real cure beeing discoverd.
But that's all it will be, guesses..
Hopefully Sony will get enough good publicity by this, so that MicroSoft also starts feeling compelled to use their system for good causes, beside having Master Chief saving the universe offcourse.
Forgotten Ancient
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I really would like to participate, but seeing as how BC models are becoming a scarce commodity, I have to handle my system with extreme care. I'm really pleased to see so many others folding together though. 
CrushDance
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JonnyRam is right. A remember a thread a while back and it seemed like the guy in charge was anti MS almost in the way he spoke.
sleeping_dragon
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HK-47 said:
No Cell mean No Folding!!
speculawyer
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Cool . . . Sony has sold at least a million PS3s to people have have internet access.
Over 750 wu done on my PS3. That puts me in the top 10,000 of all F@H contributors in 10 months time. Keep folding guys!! It's for a good cause.
warping folding. TBH, if I could get my 360 to fold @ home, I would.
It does. It's just that the machine tends to stop working when the motherboard startsHK-47 said:
Jonnyram said:
Tried finding the original message on the folding@home forums, turns out that Vijay Singh is a professional golfer, so I were wrong in his name, and I can see why MS wouldn't help him calculating proteins.. :-/
Anyway, Vijay Pande did say he had a meeting with Microsoft, regarding the subject;
(http://foldingforum.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3) so I can't find the message where he said it...
Anyone know how to get up pages from a year ago?
Jack Tretton is a Sony-tool wich probably don't have a clue about what Pande and MS discussed, most likely, anymore than either of us.
He were probably pissed because Peter Moore phrasing weather PS3 did actually do any good, and it looked like they tried to steal their thunder, when confronted with the Peter Moore interview. (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=24855) <= Follow the link to the real interview in Mercury News, wich isn't as harsh as it seem in gamesindustry.biz where it gets somewhat out of context.
(Haha.. Cool, I just noticed that I had two comments speaking my mind about the idiotic author of the article that you linked to aswell..)
HaloFans said:
How long did it take you to get to 337? I'm well over 600 units folding exclusively on a PS3 and I think it's been available for less than 12 months. Compared to the average PC (indeed the average folding PC), the PS3 is probably much faster.
So, yeah, you may not *need* a PS3/Cell to do it, and you may only be able to play mp3s and surf the web while folding on a PS3, but the speed advantage (and number of PS3 units out there) is enough to make it worthwhile.... This is one area/application that I think Sony absolutely deserve kudos for.
...And, lolsystemwars, I doubt a 360 would last all that long folding.
I wonder where Sony is getting the 1M number from? According to the stats at Stanford,the total number of PS3 clients is 422718:
http://fah-web.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=osstats
Maybe it's another one of these shipped vs sold numbers? :lol
http://fah-web.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=osstats
Maybe it's another one of these shipped vs sold numbers? :lol
juicyfruitas
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larvi said:
Amazing....people actually trying to find a way to bash the ps3 for its folding efforts....
Lord Error
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Yeah, there was some guy actually from the F@H project who claimed something along those lines, and it wasn't Tretton for sure. It wouldn't surprise me Tretton was in fact just echoing that comment.CrushDance said:
There's little doubt X360's CPU wouldn't perform nearly as well on a task like this. GPU client would probably be fast, but those work on a very small data subset. Either way, the larger number of X360 clients should make grounds for any lower computing capacity if there ever is this software made for it.
To be honest, it took me by surprise as well. On another negative note, the total FLOPs number has dipped below 1T first in a long while.larvi said:
Marconelly said:
I think the low FLOPs has to do with the current problems they are having with the PS3s not being able to get new work units. Hopefully that will be resolved soon and that will go back up over 1T really soon. Team NEOGAF's production has been severly impacted by this as well.
The only hope an XBox 360 folding client would have for being competitive with the PS3 is if it could somehow exploit the GPU. The CPU alone is not going to come close to the Sony-ninja-written code running on Cell that the PS3 client uses.
The GPU client on the PC side shows good result, but it still takes quite the optimism to expect the XBox 360 GPU to achieve the same. We know it's an older design that was finalized some time before the R5xx PC line. It might not have the architectural perks that enable the later ATI GPUs to do folding in the first place, as opposed to the ATI X800 line (which is the half-step before C1) or the NVIDIA GPUs released around the time. It might be able to fold, and it might as well not. What we do know with relative certainty is that it's a small, area-optimized chip with a relatively modest transistor count when compared to its contemporaries.
The GPU client on the PC side shows good result, but it still takes quite the optimism to expect the XBox 360 GPU to achieve the same. We know it's an older design that was finalized some time before the R5xx PC line. It might not have the architectural perks that enable the later ATI GPUs to do folding in the first place, as opposed to the ATI X800 line (which is the half-step before C1) or the NVIDIA GPUs released around the time. It might be able to fold, and it might as well not. What we do know with relative certainty is that it's a small, area-optimized chip with a relatively modest transistor count when compared to its contemporaries.
Nobody needs a reason to stop something that hasn't even started. And there are fine reasons to not start folding on the XBox 360. It may get an ass-whooping by the competition, turning the endeavour into a net negative for PR. And if its GPU can't contribute, scratch the "may" and use "will" (also insert "spectacular"). It's better to stay out of this race. Absence of knowledge makes room for optimism, as always.Jonnyram said:
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
she says we gotta hooolddd on
to what we got
we got each other
and that's enough for folding
we'll give it a shott
OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH WE'RE HALFWAY THEREEEE
OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH FOLDING ON A PS3!!
to what we got
we got each other
and that's enough for folding
we'll give it a shott
OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH WE'RE HALFWAY THEREEEE
OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH FOLDING ON A PS3!!
ParticleReality
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juicyfruitas said:
Yeah guys. We shouldn't call Sony out for pretty much bullshitting figures. After all, its the thought that counts.
Zombie James
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Evander said:
Common now, you can't be serious.
brandonh83
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davepoobond said:
oh trippy I was listening to that and saw your post 0_o
SolidSnakex
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davepoobond said:
That sounds like something they'd sing on Podcast Beyond.
MassiveAttack
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Evander said:
Whatever Sony proposes, you propose the opposite. You're the world's dullest contrarian. Unfortunately, you post too much and that spoils most of the fun.
Fold away though.
