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1up sayz: X360 launch details on August 17, 9:30 AM EST
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Patrick Klepek
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:lolMrbob said:
It's looking pretty likely. :\
Wax Free Vanilla said:US-:
- $199.99 without hdd
- $299.99 with hdd
UK-:
- £199.99 without hdd
- £299.90 with hdd
They want a profit. $200 standalone? Never happening in the first year.
$300/$360, without/with.
That's the ideal launch.
Also, last time I went into GameStop, the guy working there tried to get me to reserve one. I had no intention, but to humor him I said "I'll wait for a couple price drops."
To counteract that, he replied that since they're so expensive this time around that they may never drop in price.
:lol :lol :lol
I'm still hoping for the $300 w/hd, but really, you think about it, what's the big deal? If a hard drive was never a factor and the console only had memory cards, people wouldn't be uttering a peep about paying an extra $20-$25 for a mem card. The hd is like a huge memory card for a little more money. Still worth it value wise, even though I'd rather not shell out $350+ for a console.
Late Stage Marxist
Member
Going to hold off on any frivolous purchases for the week.
truffleshuffle83
Banned
one sku at launch 349 US. i doubt they can include next gen system and a 20 gig hard drive for the same price as the initial xbox
Chittagong
Gold Member
The smoke starts to be so thick that I'm starting actually to suspect there is fire in somewhere.
I'm just suggesting MS is blowing their head start with:
Console priced over $300
Games priced over $50
They are the ones who initiated next gen a little early. MS is not the market leader yet they are coming in, pushing next gen a little early with the console that is raising prices.
It isn't tough to sell out between November/December. But what happens in January, Febuary, March. Not going to be able to sustain sales at such a high pricpoint. I'm disappointed because I like many things about the Xbox platform, but MS doesn't seem to be using the early release to help gain bigger marketshare. They are using the early release to gouge consumers while they can before the PS3 is out.
Console priced over $300
Games priced over $50
They are the ones who initiated next gen a little early. MS is not the market leader yet they are coming in, pushing next gen a little early with the console that is raising prices.
It isn't tough to sell out between November/December. But what happens in January, Febuary, March. Not going to be able to sustain sales at such a high pricpoint. I'm disappointed because I like many things about the Xbox platform, but MS doesn't seem to be using the early release to help gain bigger marketshare. They are using the early release to gouge consumers while they can before the PS3 is out.
Mrbob said:
I think MS is in the position to set the precedence on next-gen pricing and they'd do themselves a disservice by coming out of the gate too low. Remember, one of their top priorities next gen is to stop bleeding cash whenever they sell a console. I don't think they'd be shy to go above the $300 mark. Unfortunately, whether consumers will bite is a whole 'nother story.
sonycowboy
Member
dorio said:
Well, the question is when do they drop the price? It doesn't look good if they have to drop the price in February or March when people just bought it for a good bit more. And if Microsoft HAD to price it at a high price for just a few months of very limiited availability, then it's unlikely they'll drop it as quickly as you might think. The costs couldn't possibly drop during such a short time period.
It will sell out in November / December, just based on availability. However, ~if it were $399 for the HDD version, then selling a ton well into January and February isn't as automatic as you might think.
In any case, I think Microsoft is going to ABSOLUTELY be as aggressive with pricing as they can afford to be. Probably more aggressive than Sony is willing to be, so there will be a lot of hemming and hawing, but in the end, it shouldn't be as disastrous if there were a moderately higher price than what folks here were hoping for.
It was bad enough when MS cut the original Xbox price by $100 frakkin' bucks just 6 months after launch (thanks to Sony's price drop, MS had no choice really). I remember the reaction from many gamers back then; a lot were quite pissed. If MS drops the price that early yet again, they're going to alienate that same audience, but this time for good.dorio said:
Not to mention a price drop that early is completely counterproductive to what MS is trying to do this time with the 360. I don't think MS cares as much about a price war with Sony as many here think they do. As long as they cost the same or a bit less, they're golden. They're trying to win with content this coming gen.
I don't see a drop until 2007 at the earliest.
With the way they are talking about throwing all this stuff in the box (remote control, headset, HDD, and wireless controller, etc) I've got to imagine that they are looking to imitate Sony's Value Pack. Throw in a bunch of high-margin items to increase the perceived value, then jack up the price 25-33%. Then you launch ONLY with the value pack (or constrict supplies of the barebones bundle) so that anybody that ones a system will have to pay the premium price. Kill the bundle and drop the price 6-12 months later.
The HDD isn't really a high-margin accessory, so I dunno how it would fit into the equation. I guess they'd have to bump it to $399.
The HDD isn't really a high-margin accessory, so I dunno how it would fit into the equation. I guess they'd have to bump it to $399.
Wax Free Vanilla
Member
Quellex said:
:lol
Have I gone too low?
Not that I care, I won't be buying an Xbox 360 anyway.
I can do without the hard drive as long as Microsoft lets me save everything on my PC over my wireless network. I've heard that this could be one of the storage options. If its not, and I have to pony up $349 or more for a version with a hard drive, I think I'm gonna wait. It would be utterly stupid for anyone to buy the $299 version if there is no network storage option for your PC because you will also have to purchase some type of memory card or memory stick and that will cost you *at least* and additional 30 bucks bringing your grand total to damn near close to what you would pay for the version with the hard drive. But before I go off on a tirade or give much of an opinion.... I'll just wait for the official announcement and see.
sonycowboy
Member
chespace said:You guys ready to be poor this holiday season?
Just for fun
, let's parse this.Would he say this if the system were $299 or even $349 w/ an HDD? We do know that games will be $60 and that there will be ALOT of great games, so on the one hand he could be talking about the total expenditure, but in the context of this converstation, it seems doubtful.
So, that leaves us with a possible "rumor" that he's heard himself, that the system may clock in @ ~$399 with an HDD, which fits with both analysts comments and some comments I've heard as well. Now, I'm no insider, but I do get lucky with random comments here and there, and it would fit. In any case, that seems like 3 seperate sources.
Obviously, it's all just rumor and who knows? Maybe Microsoft is floating this out there to get reaction as so many other leaks have happened as well that are questionable?
I still don't see the point in having anything but a "value pack" as 100% and if they want to sell an unbundled system later, wait till the sales slow down, because they're going to sell out regardless.
sonycowboy
Member
SuperPac said:
OMG. I hadn't thought of this. Circuit City wasn't able to pull it off with the PSP, but the 360 should have MUCH greater demand during the holidays. Add another $100 on top of a higher price for a retailer forced bundle with a game or two and/or an accessory. That would hurt the pocketbook, but what're you gonna do? Not get the system? It's gonna be a sellout.
Which is why I think you'll see a mega-bundle at $399, if they do this at all. The bundle won't just be console+HDD, it will be console+HDD+headset+remote+wireless recharger or something like that. With Xbox I don't think most people were interested in the hard drive beyond its ability to save games, and those types might prefer $299 system + $30 memory card. Then they can sell the HDD as an accessory for $70 or so, to make it seem like you're getting a good deal on the value pack.bill0527 said:
I'm still not sure MS will really do two SKUs though.
Legal Step
Member
Will they have another price for the HD-DVD supported model too?
Chiggs
Gold Member
Legal Step said:
There are five models available at launch:
1. Xbox 360 Basic - $299.99 *
2. Xbox 360 HDD Bundle - $349.99 *
3. Xbox 360 HDD Premium Bundle - (remote + headset) - $399.99 *
4. Xbox 360 HD-DVD - (no HDD, but has HDMI) - $399.00 *
5. Xbox 360 HD-DVD HDD Premium Bundle - (remote + headset + 12 pack of Moutain Dew) - $499.99 *
*All cables sold seperately.
Oh, Sony, you are so fucked. :lol
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Will the launch units be easier to mod? haha
newsguy said:
I believe it was said in some interview that they couldn't even use it to cache stuff (or couldn't require it to cache stuff). But I believe some devs said they are. If that makes the HDD a requirement, they must have decided to do so regardless of the HDD's uncertain status (in terms of being standard or not).
Some games may use it optionally to speed up loadtimes, yes. Perhaps those who are using it to stream are doing so in a manner than makes it optional, i.e. makes it faster, but it still functions without it.
So are the games not going to be designed to use an HDD for caching at all, or will they use one if it is attached to the system? I know supposedly Microsoft had been telling devs to design the games without HDD caching in mind, but that was before their hardware decisions were finalized.
Jesus Christ why do some people have so much difficulty understanding this. Yes the HDD can still be used for caching and improving the games performance, the only thing that has changed is that the HDD is not required for the games to function. You can remove the HDD and the game still plays it probably just doesn't load stuff as fast.newsguy said:
And you're probably not going to have a choice of bundles at launch. According to J Allard they will only be selling the Xbox 360 with HDD at launch, but may eventually remove the HDD in the future. Game developers have the option of using the HDD to improve the performance of their games, but they are no longer required to use it like they were with Xbox. Games that make use of the HDD will function with or without the drive.
Mooreberg said:
In general, wrt to everything HDD related, my understanding is that they can use it if it's attached, but the game must still work if the HDD isn't there. It had been said before, yes, amd Allard has pretty much said it again in his most recent interview in the new GI.
I doubt many devs would bother with this; they'll likely just skip the option entirely. It isn't as simple as 'no HDD attached = slower loading', the programming would need to be optimized for both scenerios. Devs won't simply design as if the HDD was attached, and then 'hope' it'll all work out fine if it's detached.---- said:
I suspect devs will add HDD caching and what not about as often as devs did for the PS2 HDD in Japan, maybe a bit more.
op_ivy said:unless its called call of duty2
Oh, really? I thought co-op would be a lock for CoD2 360. Disappointment total. Another reason to go with the PC version now.
This has been the worst lead up to a launch ever regarding Xbox 360. I don't remember reading about so many disappointments before launch. Well, there is always the DS but I don't care about that platform at all.
Insertia said:
Not really. Xbox Live is software, just like anything else. You can run entire operating systems off of USB key chain drives these days. Every system will have an ethernet card, so as long as the XBL software isn't too large you could conceivably run it off of a high capacity memory card.
I guess that makes sense.