~Devil Trigger~
In favor of setting Muslim women on fire
OCTOPUS!!!subversus said::lol
OCTOPUS!!!subversus said::lol
Trip Warhawkins said:I wish Mexico had someone with the defensive skills of Perez. Or strikers such as Forlan-Suarez ('tho Chicharito's not too shabby). Or more strikers as Cavani or Loco. Or Maxi. To say Uruguay is only Forlan is to be a football noob. And GAF seems to be full of 'em.
:lol~Devil Trigger~ said:OCTOPUS!!!
he got caught after he cheated, he did something that is not allowed (copy his friends homeworerk) and therfore he cheated to get the mark. If he is punished for it by getting 0 mark, he got the punishment he desrved. I don't see what so twisted about that.The Chosen One said:Wow, so "cheating" only happens when you get away with it? :lol
I wish I knew that in high school. :lol "Mom, I didn't cheat off my friends homework cause the teacher caught me!"
:lol :lol :lol
The twisted logic of GAF sometimes...
Holy crap. Pretty ladies are pretty.subversus said:also
SalsaShark said:Forlan is a striker.
You need more than a striker.
El Ruso perez, Fucile, Caceres, el Cacha, el Monito Pereira, and Lugano, all in the back, Played an incredible WC.
Of course Forlan is important, maybe our most important asset, but we would be A LOT worse without el Rusito or Fucile, for example.
We played great as a team, it really wasnt "Forlan`s show", and i think a lot of people didnt expected that. All im saying.
Gary Whitta said:The shame for Uruguay is that, in the collective memory of the rest of the world, the Suarez incident will most likely overshadow and outlive anything else the team achieved in this World Cup. Was 4th place really worth being dogged by "Hand of God" infamy for the forseeable future?
I'd like some love from themsubversus said:also
this.Roi said:Great game to watch. don't think that the game tomorrow will be as fun..
faridmon said:he got caught after he cheated, he did something that is not allowed (copy his friends homeworerk) and therfore he cheated to get the mark. If he is punished for it by getting 0 mark, he got the punishment he desrved. I don't see what so twisted about that.
I'm dying hereDennisK4 said:Dance for me, puppets, dance!
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Trip Warhawkins said:I wish Mexico had someone with the defensive skills of Perez. Or strikers such as Forlan-Suarez ('tho Chicharito's not too shabby). Or more strikers as Cavani or Loco. Or Maxi. To say Uruguay is only Forlan is to be a football noob. And GAF seems to be full of 'em.
Uruguay made the finals because they won in penalty shootout, there was an equal opportunity for both teams right there, plus it only came to that because of that Ghana player's oscar worthy performance and i love Ghana's team too.The Chosen One said:So you're admitting Suarez cheated now? Good.
No one is saying Suarez went unpunished, so that part of your argument is irrelevant.
But you guys want to act like because there was a punishment, the cheating was legit. And in your case, it may not even be cheating at all. :lol
Look, Ghana didn't make the semi-finals because they choked on their penalty kicks. But Uruguay also made the semi-finals because one of their players blatantly cheated and at the very least went against the spirit of the game. I can understand Uruguayan fans getting defensive but some of the twisted logic coming from other fans justifying it is just baffling.
...What?SamuraiX- said:Contradictions are fun!
And this is soccer, not criminal justice. Suck it up and stop being so bitter. Also, learn2English.
cheat
verb (used with object)
1.
to defraud; swindle: He cheated her out of her inheritance.
2.
to deceive; influence by fraud: He cheated us into believing him a hero.
3.
to elude; deprive of something expected: He cheated the law by suicide.
verb (used without object)
4.
to practice fraud or deceit: She cheats without regrets.
5.
to violate rules or regulations: He cheats at cards.
6.
to take an examination or test in a dishonest way, as by improper access to answers.
7.
Informal . to be sexually unfaithful (often fol. by on ): Her husband knew she had been cheating all along. He cheated on his wife.
He played by the rules and was punished by those same rules accordingly. He did not cheat. If he violated some type of moral standards that you hold, then that's a different story. Don't watch soccer if something so minuscule makes you cry so much. And I say the same thing to everyone else who continues to bitch about this without even reading the rules.
that is a factY2Kev said:Forlan is pretty amazing.
The Chosen One said:So you're admitting Suarez cheated now? Good.
No one is saying Suarez went unpunished, so that part of your argument is irrelevant.
But you guys want to act like because there was a punishment, the cheating was legit. And in your case, it may not even be cheating at all. :lol
Look, Ghana didn't make the semi-finals because they choked on their penalty kicks. But Uruguay also made the semi-finals because one of their players blatantly cheated and at the very least went against the spirit of the game. I can understand Uruguayan fans getting defensive but some of the twisted logic coming from other fans justifying it is just baffling.
Big-E said:Guys why are people still fighting over this stuff? No one remembers who finishes third, fourth or 32nd in any World Cup. All that matters is number one. 2 months from now, no one is going to remember that Uruguay finished fourth. It is irrelevant and not worth so much fighting.
Atrus said:When Forlan is the only man capable of Free Kicks or your teams strategy for winning goals is a long kick to Forlan in the middle or Suarez/Cavani on the side, I'd say that a man like Forlan is instrumental and even the deciding factor in Uruguayan success in thi tournament like Roger Milla for Cameroon.
SalsaShark said:You really think this ?
Maybe for regular people outside soccer, but this is important and its gonna be remembered.
Big-E said:You are going to remember but you are an Uruguayan supporter. Can you remember who finished fourth place in 2006 off the top of your head? I can't and the rest of the world ain't going to remembering this either. I am happy that you are happy but a fourth place finish is a fourth place finish.
rodvik said:Changing Suarez subject matter for a bit. As I watched the match today I think the coach made a mistake leaving him on in the second half. Not because of the booing but because he simply was not playing well at all. Uruguay have a strong bench, it seemed weird to leave him on.
Big-E said:You are going to remember but you are an Uruguayan supporter. Can you remember who finished fourth place in 2006 off the top of your head? I can't and the rest of the world ain't going to remembering this either. I am happy that you are happy but a fourth place finish is a fourth place finish.
Big-E said:Guys why are people still fighting over this stuff? No one remembers who finishes third, fourth or 32nd in any World Cup. All that matters is number one. 2 months from now, no one is going to remember that Uruguay finished fourth. It is irrelevant and not worth so much fighting.
The Chosen One said:Not necessarily. A semi-final appearance by an African team would have been HUGE. Ghana making the semi-finals meant so much more to African soccer. Much more-so than Uruguay for South American soccer. Uruguay was basically playing for their own nation's history and prestige (and there's nothing wrong with that).
But for Ghana to be just a goal-line handball away from breaking the glass ceiling for Africa in Africa... it hurts.
That's why some of us have such a bitter taste in our mouths.
That said, I'm slowly coming to terms with it. I just didn't want Uruguayan fans going around here gloating unscathed. At least French fans had the sense to bash Henry for his handball shenanigans. But Suarez gloated about it and Uruguayan fans celebrated him as a hero for cheating. So yeah they're going to get some shit for it.
Big-E said:Guys why are people still fighting over this stuff? No one remembers who finishes third, fourth or 32nd in any World Cup. All that matters is number one. 2 months from now, no one is going to remember that Uruguay finished fourth. It is irrelevant and not worth so much fighting.
John Dunbar said:Portugal. South Korea in 2002.
People who aren't going to remember are people who won't give a shit about who won the whole thing in 2 months. To anyone with any real interest in football a country with 3 million people finishing 4th in the World Cup is a big deal.
Feathers said:Damn, SalsaShark and The Chosen One are going to debate that Ghana match till the end of time :lol
Feathers said:But he isn't wrong that the vast majority of people won't care who finished fourth.
The Chosen One said:Not necessarily. A semi-final appearance by an African team would have been HUGE. Ghana making the semi-finals meant so much more to African soccer. Much more-so than Uruguay for South American soccer. Uruguay was basically playing for their own nation's history and prestige (and there's nothing wrong with that).
But for Ghana to be just a goal-line handball away from breaking the glass ceiling for Africa in Africa... it hurts.
That's why some of us have such a bitter taste in our mouths.
That said, I'm slowly coming to terms with it. I just didn't want Uruguayan fans going around here gloating unscathed. At least French fans had the sense to bash Henry for his handball shenanigans. But Suarez gloated about it and Uruguayan fans celebrated him as a hero for cheating. So yeah they're going to get some shit for it.
Feathers said:Damn, SalsaShark and The Chosen One are going to debate that Ghana match till the end of time :lol
Majine said:http://cheezcomixed.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/b7ca80ee-ad3c-4336-b262-0622d1df4e43.jpg[/ img][/QUOTE]
:lol :lol :lol
[QUOTE=rodvik]
But Uruguay gets the asterisk next to their position in this world cup, so in the end I suppose justice is served.
A real bummer Ghana was on the receiving end of this one. It really was a helluva game.[/QUOTE]
I take it you havent seen/are ignoring the video as well ?
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZ1AS9N6TBg[/url]
how come this is not relevant ?
diving isnt "cheating" as well ?
Vox-Pop said:Good game. Sucks Uruguay lost.
Time for Forlan to hit the beach with his hot gf:
SalsaShark said:They will remember because of what i said in the post above. Uruguay is relevant again.
Majine said:http://cheezcomixed.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/b7ca80ee-ad3c-4336-b262-0622d1df4e43.jpg[/ img] [/QUOTE]
:lol Funny and apt.
SalsaShark said::lol :lol :lol
I take it you havent seen/are ignoring the video as well ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZ1AS9N6TBg
SalsaShark said:
SalsaShark said:You really think this ?
Maybe for regular people outside soccer, but this is important and its gonna be remembered.
rodvik said:Seen it. Irrelevant. Here is an example.
If after Surezes dive in the last minute of todays game, just before the free kick a German player had walked over to Forlan and broke his leg completely unprovoked. took the red card and laughed as the Forlans sub missed the free kick, would you think all was well with the game? After all , the rules were followed.
Does that help illuminate why some of us got rubbed the wrong way?
The Chosen One said:What is your point?
That the free kick came from a dubious call? That happens all the time in a single match. I could keep going further back into the match to find dubious calls in Uruguay's favor as well that affected the game.
Unless it's a "England 2 yards over the goal-line" bad call, I don't really think it somehow justifies cheating. Plus the Ghanian player didn't do a blatant dive ala C. Ronaldo. He just lost his footing and the ref made a bad call. The Uruguayan players were playing fairly reckless and frantic just a few plays earlier (which your little youtube video doesn't show), so that might also be way the call went in Ghana's favor.
It's funny how you excuse Suarez handball by saying, "Well, umm... it shouldn't have been a free kick anyway!!!111" ....or...... "It should have been off-sides!!!11".
But if that's the propaganda your local media told you to excuses Suarez's actions for you, then..... ::shrug:: Again, it would just be nice if you'd at least own up to it like French fans did with Henry.
Lightning said:Did you see the slow motion of that event? The cheating was clear for both sides. The free kick should never have happened and therefore the hand ball wouldn't have happened.
While I still hate Suarez more for the gloating afterwards, This "Hand of God" etc... bullshit that he is spouting. That entire circus of events was one big crime but there was more then 1 crime commited in that sequence of play and Ghana struck first with what I consider a very blatant dive.
~Devil Trigger~ said:OCTOPUS!!!
SalsaShark said::lol :lol :lol :lol :lol @ that being the same thing, oh god.
You have the analogy wrong. The better comparison in basketball for the Suarez handball would be a call of interference or goaltending. In that case the basketball team wronged is automatically awarded the points instead of through free throws. If a player intentionally sticks his hand through the rim to prevent a ball from going through, the player would be looked on as a cheater (except basketball has the correct rule in this case so no one bothers to worry about the cheater).Duki said:deliberate foul in the NBA = great defense
deliberate handball in soccer = CHEATING CHEATING DIRTY CHEATING CHEATER AAHASHJKASDHKJASBDHKJARIO(
rodvik said:And welcome to our world as we shake our heads at your tortured logic. :lol :lol :lol
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lolThe Chosen One said:What is your point?
That the free kick came from a dubious call? That happens all the time in a single match. I could keep going further back into the match to find dubious calls in Uruguay's favor as well that affected the game.
Unless it's a "England 2 yards over the goal-line" bad call, I don't really think it somehow justifies cheating. Plus the Ghanian player didn't do a blatant dive ala C. Ronaldo. He just lost his footing and the ref made a bad call. The Uruguayan players were playing fairly reckless and frantic just a few plays earlier (which your little youtube video doesn't show), so that might also be way the call went in Ghana's favor.
It's funny how you excuse Suarez handball by saying, "Well, umm... it shouldn't have been a free kick anyway!!!111" ....or...... "It should have been off-sides!!!11".
But if that's the propaganda your local media told you to excuses Suarez's actions for you, then..... ::shrug:: Again, it would just be nice if you'd at least own up to it like French fans did with Henry.
SalsaShark said:Dude, how`s making a last minute handball save by reflex the same that breaking a player`s leg on purpose ?
rodvik said:How is a deliberate handball stopping a goal going in the same as a dive outside of the penalty area?