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[Deleted member 1235]

The bitter tears in this topic is delicious.

'are delicious'

think I'll stop posting in sports threads. It's pretty disgusting how everybody behaves.

The Dutch supporters have every right to be angry, but at their own players, not at the officials.

I think Netherlands deserved quite a few of those cards, but jesus. Just about every tackle was met with a whistle. This wasn't just holland either, the amount of free kicks etc seemed just ridiculous. It was boring and frustrating to watch.

Spain did very well to grind out the win under annoying circumstances.

 

[tzare]

You didn't mention any fact, it was your own subjective opinion.

You forgot facts like that it was a clear corner after the free kick from Sneijder just before Iniesta scored, you forgot facts like that Webb gave Dutch players yellow cards for nothing, while Spain players got away with almost anything, and I could go on....

Be happy, your team won, but don't say The Netherlands are a disgrace, because they aren't.

the Dutch team , as its coach admitted later, played too hard. Sure, it was corner before the goal, and even puyol could've been red carted. But let's be fair, All of those things happened late into the game, a game that should have seen Netherlands with 9 players instead of 11 just 30 minutes into the game, and that against Spain's passing and posession would probably ended the same way because it would have tired the entire team.

As a spanish journalist said, Netherlands deserve a WC for their performance on previous lost finals and attractive and offensive football, but yesterday, the team that was trying to play that way was Spain, maybe with some 'Dutch' influence (afterall, Spain's style is heavily influenced by FCB , a team who tries to play offensive football learned from Cruyff, greatest Dutch player ever probably)

 

[Salsa]

THIS is how you make a logo. Take notes, FIFA.

Funny enough, their first WC logo was also one of the best imo.

At least it has a coherent stlye.

Actually our whole stadium is kinda painted after that:

 

[Kurtofan]

I'm blaming mostly the Dutch for this game. Germany played up to Spain's level (well, kind of :lol ) without resorting to dirty tactics.

Spain was playing dirty too.
Less than the Dutch,but still.
I think this final is one of the worst,just for the number of fouls.
Not really a great example for young generations...

 

[norinrad]

At least in Spain people actually listen to Cruijff while in Holland most people would rather see him shut up for telling it like it is

 

[jorma]

You've identified the wrong culprit... Spain usually plays nice football, the Dutch just decided to turn the game into a wrestling match and the Spanish responded by going in max diving mode. Spain-Germany was a great game from both sides (in terms of sportsmanship that is, Spain dominated when it came to the play).

Disagree, Spain were never in max diving mode. Robben always handles that himself. It's like his thing.

Too bad germany didn't win it, they were all in all the best and most attractive side this world cup. I blame Paul.

 

[Arjen]

the Dutch team , as its coach admitted later, played too hard. Sure, it was corner before the goal, and even puyol could've been red carted. But let's be fair, All of those things happened late into the game, a game that should have seen Netherlands with 9 players instead of 11 just 30 minutes into the game, and that against Spain's passing and posession would probably ended the same way because it would have tired the entire team.

As a spanish journalist said, Netherlands deserve a WC for their performance on previous lost finals and attractive and offensive football, but yesterday, the team that was trying to play that way was Spain, maybe with some 'Dutch' influence (afterall, Spain's style is heavily influenced by FCB , a team who tries to play offensive football learned from Cruyff, greatest Dutch player ever probably)

Yeah, it's kinda Ironic that Dutch football finally got a world cup, but it's in the form of Spain.

 

[tzare]

Spain was playing dirty too.
Less than the Dutch,but still.
I think this final is one of the worst,just for the number of fouls.
Not really a great example for young generations...

Spain played dirty?
Sure?
But again, football is this 'basic instinct' i guess XD
The team that tried to play the ball won for once, and teams trying to defend or play dirty or some that even did not deserve to play this WC like France (that henry hand) left without price

 

[keit4]

Spain playing dirty??? :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

Seriously, STFU.

 

[tzare]

Yeah, it's kinda Ironic that Dutch football finally got a world cup, but it's in the form of Spain.

yeah. I feel sorry for Netherlands, really, great talented players almost every generation , great football , they really deserve to have a star on their national team t-shirt. Hopefully sometime they will win the WC. But not yesterday. But i understand that many people are frustated, these opportunities don't happen very often, spain won't probably win anything else in a while. xavi is too old

 

[norinrad]

I'm still surprised De Jong and Van Bommel were still standing. Web should have loaded them off. All those two idiots did was try to kick the Spanish into Submission, thank God Spain never gave up

 

[Arjen]

At least in Spain people actually listen to Cruijff while in Holland most people would rather see him shut up for telling it like it is

What a load of crap, Cruiff is still very respected here.

 

[Mik2121]

Spain was playing dirty too.
Less than the Dutch,but still.
I think this final is one of the worst,just for the number of fouls.
Not really a great example for young generations...

Playing dirty? You've gotta be on drugs.

They did some fouls, yeah. Pretty much every game has fouls. But they didn't play dirty.

Hell, look at the Germany - Spain game. Not so many fouls, and Spain played pretty similar to this game.


Now look at some of the other Dutch games... uhm, I think I'm starting to see a pattern here :O

 

[Kurtofan]

It's funny nobody remember when Iniesta hit that Dutch player.
I didn't say they played as dirty as the Dutch.But they still did play dirty.

 

[WJD]

I started out supporting the Dutch yesterday (despite van Bommel and Robben), but ended up actually cheering when Iniesta scored.

Sure, Spain were cunts too in the way that they dived and crowded the ref at every opportunity, but the actions of the Dutch players far outweighed that. Doesn't help that the majority of their fans are hypocritical cry babies.

All in all, a poor-ass World Cup, bring on Brazil!

 

[CassSept]

Oh seriously, Spain didn't play dirty? Really?
Have we watched a different match? In the one I've watched Spain got 5 yellows, quite a few situations unnoticed by referees and diving all the time.
They didn't play as dirty as Netherland, but come on

 

[norinrad]

What a load of crap, Cruiff is still very respected here.

Is that why Ajax has been shit? If people actually listened to him, Holland would have easily won this world cup with great football instead of karate

 

[tzare]

What a load of crap, Cruiff is still very respected here.

i heard that half population hates him and the other half loves him, like happens here in barcelona. Is that true?

 

[Mr. Sam]

think I'll stop posting in sports threads. It's pretty disgusting how everybody behaves.

Pretty much. I was hoping this behaviour would be exclusive to England/America games but I quickly found out it wasn't. Not a pleasant read.

 

[Always-honest]

:lol this still going? well. i'm out. see you in 4 years.
hopefully Netherlands will play a bit more like used to (*like Spain)

 

[Salsa]

Pretty much. I was hoping this behaviour would be exclusive to England/America games but I quickly found out it wasn't. Not a pleasant read.

It got nasty, but im actually glad to see some people being fair and talking from common sense/soccer knowledge/truth and staying classy when disagreeing instead of whiny tears and anger. Sad we are a small bunch. But believe me, ive seen worse.

 

[Rad-]

It's pretty ridiculous how Spain still managed to dominate this tournament without being anywhere near their 100% game level. I mean one of their biggest players was in horrible form and they still go and win the cup without him. Crazy talent in the squad.

I'm also shocked how Iker is suddenly back to his normal form. Had a shaky season at Madrid and I was afraid he would mess this tournament up for Spain. But no, like a flip of a switch he's back to his old amazing self. Wtf?

Holland disappointed me in the final. If the game had been judged like your average game, Holland would've lost it before the first half ending whistle with 2 obvious reds. I'm not sure were the players overcharged or what but you don't do fouls like that in the freaking World Cup final.

But not yesterday. But i understand that many people are frustated, these opportunities don't happen very often, spain won't probably win anything else in a while. xavi is too old

He can still easily play in Euro 2012 and maybe even WC 2014.

 

[Raist]

Awful final. Underserving winners. Booh.

 

[tzare]

Oh seriously, Spain didn't play dirty? Really?
Have we watched a different match? In the one I've watched Spain got 5 yellows, quite a few situations unnoticed by referees and diving all the time.
They didn't play as dirty as Netherland, but come on

spain played hard, not dirty, in fact, Spain tries to have the ball so it is difficult to play dirty that way.
About diving, sure Spain dived, as every other team. This is football.
Maybe if the referee had red carted in the beggining, no more dirty play had happened, but then people would've complained that he had ruined the final.....

 

[Mik2121]

:lol this still going? well. i'm out. see you in 4 years.
hopefully Netherlands will play a bit more like used to (*like Spain)

Yup. Looking forward to next World Cup.

I'm outta this thread too

 

[Cohsae]

Awful final. Underserving winners. Booh.

The best team in the world undeserving? OK buddy.

 

[Arjen]

Is that why Ajax has been shit? If people actually listened to him, Holland would have easily won this world cup with great football instead of karate

Ajax is a long story, but last season we did pretty wel, 2nd place and real close to the number 1 with a lot of goals scored.

Regarding this World Cup, Cruiff said he perfectly understands why van Marwijk plays the way he did, he would rather see Holland attacking more, but he knows we lack the players to do that properly.

 

[Kurosaki Ichigo]

:lol at all the scumbags bitter tears

Really, eat shit and die duke style. Deserved winners won. Football won. Shameful, disgraceful sad bunch of dirty scumbags lost.

CAMPEOOONES, CAMPEOOOONES, OE OE OEEEE

 

[2San]

:lol this still going? well. i'm out. see you in 4 years.
hopefully Netherlands will play a bit more like used to (*like Spain)

Let's just play the glorious 4-3-3 and switch to 4-2-3-1, when up against stronger opposition. De Jong and Van Bommel make me sick can't keep their cool. After 2 years we should just field VDV and De Zeeuw instead of them. Liked Van Marwijk for having the balls to switch to full offense. Full matches with Elia, would be awesome as well. Can't help, but miss RvN he could've had a good run.

Is that why Ajax has been shit? If people actually listened to him, Holland would have easily won this world cup with great football instead of karate

So do you just talk bullshit, because you can? Ajax is stagnating, is because keeping talent is becoming to expensive. Even if you create talent they get bought by bigger clubs even at a young age. Ajax still plays 4-4-2 diamond and the 4-3-3.

 

[Raist]

The best team in the world undeserving? OK buddy.

They certainly didn't play like the best team in the world during this whole tournament.
And I'm not even talking about their sneaky dirty tricks.

 

[[Nintex]]

Robben should've made that goal

Euro 2012 believe!

Congrats to Spain

 

[mrklaw]

Its a shame Robben missed his chances, he has been an outstanding player this tournament.

but I'm glad Spain won. Holland were just fucking dirty in that match. Van Bommel is an absolute cunt. Kicks the shit out of everyone, and then gets in the refs face at every opportunity to cry foul about every call that goes against them. I couldn't have faced the potential of him scoring a winning penalty after extra time, I think I'd have thrown something at the TV.

 

[Deleted member 1235]

:lol at all the scumbags bitter tears

Really, eat shit and die duke style. Deserved winners won. Football won. Shameful, disgraceful sad bunch of dirty scumbags lost.

god really. you're like the van bommel of posting. fuck you generally for calling dutch supporters 'scumbags'. Claiming 'good clean football' then show up and just be a total tosser. Most of the dutch have been pretty accepting of the loss in a dirty game, try and be a gracious winner as well maybe?

 

[santi_yo]

OMG, Iniesta's Honours

* Spanish League (4): 2004–05, 2005–06, 2008–09, 2009–10
* Spanish Cup: (1) 2008–09
* Spanish Supercup (3): 2005, 2006, 2009
* UEFA Champions League (2): 2005–06, 2008–09
* UEFA Super Cup (1): 2009
* FIFA Club World Cup (1): 2009
* 2010 FIFA World Cup
* 2008 UEFA European Championship
* 2001 UEFA European Under-16 Football Championship
* 2002 UEFA European Under-19 Football Championship
* 2003 FIFA World Youth Championship runner-up

O___o

 

[Regulus Tera]

Iker Casillas is truly the best player in the world.

Iker Casillas > Iniesta

 

[confused]

Ajax is a long story, but last season we did pretty wel, 2nd place and real close to the number 1 with a lot of goals scored.

Regarding this World Cup, Cruiff said he perfectly understands why van Marwijk plays the way he did, he would rather see Holland attacking more, but he knows we lack the players to do that properly.

Bullshit to the max here. Van der Vaart, Huntelaar, Robben, Sneijder, van Persie. Plenty of attacking strenght. i'd even go as far as wager that half the teams on this World Cup wish they had the attacking power the dutch had.

They had everything going for them stepping into this match and they could have even won. Sadly they chose to play a different game than they had been playing all tournament long.

 

[WJD]

:lol at all the scumbags bitter tears

Really, eat shit and die duke style. Deserved winners won. Football won. Shameful, disgraceful sad bunch of dirty scumbags lost.

CAMPEOOONES, CAMPEOOOONES, OE OE OEEEE

Ok, now you're a cunt. Fucking pathetic.

 

[Kurosaki Ichigo]

god really. you're like the van bommel of posting. fuck you generally for calling dutch supporters 'scumbags'. Claiming 'good clean football' then show up and just be a total tosser. Most of the dutch have been pretty accepting of the loss in a dirty game, try and be a gracious winner as well maybe?

Apply it to the few bad losers here and to the Netherlands that showed up yesterday for the match. Van Bommel yeah, I don't think yesterday was an exception for him :lol

See the sad adjective, Netherlands knows better, why did Italy show up yesterday. No fucking need.

 

[2San]

Bullshit to the max here. Van der Vaart, Huntelaar, Robben, Sneijder, van Persie. Plenty of attacking strenght. i'd even go as far as wager that half the teams on this World Cup wish they had the attacking power the dutch had.

They had everything going for them stepping into this match and they could have even won. Sadly they chose to play a different game than they had been playing all tournament long.

To be fair after the subs came it was pretty much a full attacking formation. :O

 

[Kurtofan]

The best team in the world undeserving? OK buddy.

They won all their matches 1-0 for a total of 8 goals.
That's hardly great or "the best thing ever"

 

[norinrad]

Its a shame Robben missed his chances, he has been an outstanding player this tournament.

but I'm glad Spain won. Holland were just fucking dirty in that match. Van Bommel is an absolute cunt. Kicks the shit out of everyone, and then gets in the refs face at every opportunity to cry foul about every call that goes against them. I couldn't have faced the potential of him scoring a winning penalty after extra time, I think I'd have thrown something at the TV.

This

The guy is an absolute cunt, the coach keeps him on because he's married to his daughter.

 

[tzare]

They certainly didn't play like the best team in the world during this whole tournament.
And I'm not even talking about their sneaky dirty tricks.

they weren't really in top form, but even not playing at 100% they won the tournament. That does not say much about other teams. Maybe because other teams don't know how to play without the ball. That's Spains clue. You have the ball the other team doesn't, they do not score.
About dirty tricks, maybe they did some, as every other team, people usually forget own mistakes, but Spain won FIFA's fair play award for this WC.

I wonder when will referees and fifa punish players even if it the match has just started. because that only makes dirty play grow every minute.

They won all their matches 1-0 for a total of 8 goals.
That's hardly great or "the best thing ever"

spain really lacked the 'goal'. But it is difficult against defensive teams. Not best thing ever, but Dutch lost two finals playing like angels, so at last, what people will remember is not gampleay, but who is the Champion.

 

[Arjen]

Bullshit to the max here. Van der Vaart, Huntelaar, Robben, Sneijder, van Persie. Plenty of attacking strenght. i'd even go as far as wager that half the teams on this World Cup wish they had the attacking power the dutch had.

They had everything going for them stepping into this match and they could have even won. Sadly they chose to play a different game than they had been playing all tournament long.

We could play offensive sure, but at the cost of a defensive midfield.
our defense is crap and you need to compensate that.
If we played with your combo, it would have been like all those other years, lot's of great goals and great football, but still kicked out of the tourney early.

 

[Kurosaki Ichigo]

Ok, now you're a cunt. Fucking pathetic.

Hey look just like my team right?

Sure, Spain were cunts too in the way that they dived and crowded the ref at every opportunity...

Really, stop crying and ask yourself why Netherlands had to play like that. Germany didn't and lost with the same score, yet they have their heads rightfully up and I respect them a lot and cheered for them in the match against Uruguay.

ED: Two posts is a lot without another: CAMARERO UNA DE CHAMPIÑONES! CHAMPIÑOOOONES, CHAMPIÑOOOONES, OE OE OEEEEEEEEE

 

[Danielsan]

We could play offensive sure, but at the cost of a defensive midfield.
our defense is crap and you need to compensate that.
If we played with your combo, it would have been like all those other years, lot's of great goals and great football, but still kicked out of the tourney early.

I hope we go back to good looking football next time.
I don't care if we get tossed out of the tournament early, this year's football was absolutely yawn inducing to watch. Only in the second half against Brazil the team showed some decent form.

 

[CassSept]

I'm really starting to hate Spain fans.
Seriously, ok, you won, we get it. No need for

at all the scumbags bitter tears

Really, eat shit and die duke style. Deserved winners won. Football won. Shameful, disgraceful sad bunch of dirty scumbags lost.

Really? The fuck? It's not like Spain played completely clear, then I might've understood it. They didn't though, oh they didn't.

 

[confused]

I hope we go back to good looking football next time.
I don't care if we get tossed out of the tournament early, this year's football was absolutely yawn inducing to watch. Only in the second half against Brazil the team showed some decent form.

Quoted for truth. This has been the worst major tournament for attractive football yet.

 

[radeonxt]

Spain was playing dirty too.
Less than the Dutch,but still.
I think this final is one of the worst,just for the number of fouls.
Not really a great example for young generations...

OMG, There is a lot of people blaming spain is the world champion, This can't be true.

R U Serious!!?

Totally.
I wish Germany would have beaten Spain so we could have had a decent final...

This can't be serious too...

Anyway, Germany VS spain Was The best Match of the whole World Cup, That Was Totally Fair Play!

On the other hand, i guess Spain needs the world cup more than we do. After all, they have what, 25% unemployment at the moment and soon will come begging the Netherlands for money to save their economy. All those unemployed people need something to cheer for, as the world cup is all they have left now their whole country is melting down before their eyes.

You do not know how to lose a match, eh?

 

[tzare]

We could play offensive sure, but at the cost of a defensive midfield.
our defense is crap and you need to compensate that.
If we played with your combo, it would have been like all those other years, lot's of great goals and great football, but still kicked out of the tourney early.

i am sure you can play offensive and at the same time keep defensive balance. Look at Spain, maybe too defensive with what we call 'doble pivote' (dunno how that would translate into english), Alonso and Busquets there. Many people asked Del Bosque to change one of those for Cesc for example to be more offensive though. But they are the winners now so who cares XD

 

[tzare]

I'm really starting to hate Spain fans.
Seriously, ok, you won, we get it. No need for

Really? The fuck? It's not like Spain played completely clear, then I might've understood it. They didn't though, oh they didn't.

hey not all spanish fans are like that. there are also many spanish haters here too(in fact myself could be one many times, hi teto and takeda XD ) ,some talking about diving all the time, some of them talking about unemployement, which is very disgusting, really.