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to be honest, Webb's performance has been dreadful. I love the guy but man, he sure did poorly
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2010 World Cup Final |OT| Netherlands v Spain -- SPAIN WINS WORLD CUP!
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Vaandaviii
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[Nintex] said:
Specially taking into account how difficult is for robben to play several matches in a row :lol
Mt Heart Attack
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Uh? What are you reffering to? Pretty much every journalist I heard talking about the World Cup final said that Spain won deservedly. Even my grandma, who knows shit about football, said that Spain played "magically"Funky Papa said:
Anyway, a possible explanation would be: reaction to all the bullshit said and written all around the world about Italy win in 2006?
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Vaandaviii said:
Cristiano Ronaldo makes me think of Figo. Any opposing player reaching within 5 meters of him would send Figo into a dive.
We used to say Figo crashed with flies way too often for his own good =D
Of course he had awesome plays getting away from players and all that, but I am on the camp of people who think being a diver is a player's thing, not a team's.
Vaandaviii
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Mt Heart Attack said:Anyway, a possible explanation would be: reaction to all the bullshit said and written all around the world about Italy win in 2006?
For sure. In spain "the italian style" has always been much hated. The attitude in 2006 was "congratulations, you didn't deserve it" and I suppose that may hurt.
Anyway most of the press I've seen it's like "Spain tried to win, holland tried spain not to win, and at the end the best won" which is quite accurate. Certainly Spain didn't win with lots of beauty this time, they simply were better.
One thing that should be mentioned is that a large portion of the time these players are actively looking for contact that they can capitalize on with dives. Obstruction is a very obscure thing to handle, I think ideally the main concern of any offensive attack should be avoidance. Hell when I played as a kid I would only go down when I couldn't possibly stay on my feet. It then falls on the referee to weigh the scale of the foul against the advantage.Sage00 said:
Not saying you were defending it but diving using the other definition is fairly easy to identify, I have had my balance taken out at full sprint before but it happens a lot more rarely with contact than you might think when there's an actual incentive to stay on your feet.Milchmonster said:
Vaandaviii said:I've seen a very few selected teams in my life who don't dive. Practically all the teams dive if they have a chance. It's just most of them usually are bad enough to get the ball robbed before being able to dive.
And obviously you can not bitch spain for being violent, extra defensive, time-loosing, inaccurate, whatever... so haters must have a point elsewhere uh?
Violent, yeah clearly not. Extra defensive, somehow.
Time-loosing and inaccurate? Yeah, definitely.
Vaandaviii
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Raist said:
Extra defensive as in not willing to attack? No way.
Time loosing as in Holland playing the WC finals wanting to reach the penalties? No way.
Innacurate? Sure. Certainly I don't know why is this on my list. I think my mind has set me up a trap :lol
Anyway, accurate enough to win the world cup? Check.
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jett said:
actually I think it's fairer to say that de Jong and van Bommel were monsters, but most of the other dutch players were pretty honorable, or at least conducted themselves in the normal football manner.
If the karate kick didn't happen, there wouldn't be as much hate directed at holland it would have been considered a shit game with too many fouls. But the karate kick painted NL as the devil. Basically de jong fucked us all :lol
Holland didn't play SHIT SHIT. They could have taken the game from spain at multiple points, they missed chances. So did spain however.
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Vaandaviii said:
Well, this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdm0QBmUfLs was sort of what sealed the deal. That was a broken nose, by the way. That was a quarter finals game and it's etched onto our memory as one of the most appalling examples of our quarter finals curse that this team, this "new Spain" has blasted through.
I'm not gonna say we deserved to win or even if Tassotti actually intended to do this kind of harm. But look at how smart the Italians are at playing "dirty" - the guy involved keeps it cool but still they take him away from the referee to avoid anything happening.
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Lince said:
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France has been shit ever since they won the WC and the EC
So Spain is gonna get wiped in 2 years amirite? =D
Spain did win, but they were far from the best team overall, seriously. They were mediocre to good, depending on the game.
Raist said:
you might have a point there somewhat, but the best football played this WC was Spain vs Germany, Spain just too good to be true that day, that should have been the closing match of this WC. What Holland did yesterday left a bitter taste and some awful memories, they simply didn't play football, but it's alright, we forgive you Holland and we can understand you were so afraid of Spanish beautiful passing yesterday that we left you no other choice. Anyway, the Cup is already home and all is good in the world again.
Name a single team that wasn't "mediocre to good" in this World Cup.Raist said:France has been shit ever since they won the WC and the EC. Complete and utter shit. From players to coaches. I laughed so much at them during this WC, you're preaching the wrong personSo Spain is gonna get wiped in 2 years amirite? =D
Spain did win, but they were far from the best team overall, seriously. They were mediocre to good, depending on the game.
Vaandaviii
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Raist said:France has been shit ever since they won the WC and the EC. Complete and utter shit. From players to coaches. I laughed so much at them during this WC, you're preaching the wrong personSo Spain is gonna get wiped in 2 years amirite? =D
Spain did win, but they were far from the best team overall, seriously. They were mediocre to good, depending on the game.
Actually they were the best team by far. Not the best attack, not the best defense (IMO) but the best team overall no doubt. In fact Spain power it's their unbelievable team integration. More like a couple of stars surrounded by good players it's just a team of good players who know very well how to play together. No robben, no forlan, no ronaldo, no messi... No stars, but an incredible team.
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Raist said:France has been shit ever since they won the WC and the EC. Complete and utter shit. From players to coaches. I laughed so much at them during this WC, you're preaching the wrong personSo Spain is gonna get wiped in 2 years amirite? =D
Spain did win, but they were far from the best team overall, seriously. They were mediocre to good, depending on the game.
That's totally unfair. Sure we suck at the last 10 meters since our one and only good striker was in pretty low form, but Spain totally dominated and controlled almost every single match. Had we had a good offensive duo we'd be watching at roflalicius scores.
We've never had star strikers, and when we did have Raul the rest of the team wasn't at the same level. Shame about Torres being in such a poor form for the competition.
Owning hardcore opposing teams is not being mediocre to good. But hey, Cruyff won almost everything with Barça without a classic 9 (besides last-15-minutes-swap-in-Salinas) and so could our national team. Man... Laudrup class and Stoichkov passion... besides the referee stomping, Stoichkov broke someone's leg in 2003 with a challenge he got sued for. Ah, I miss those players.
Vaandaviii
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Raist said:France has been shit ever since they won the WC and the EC. Complete and utter shit. From players to coaches. I laughed so much at them during this WC, you're preaching the wrong personSo Spain is gonna get wiped in 2 years amirite? =D
Spain did win, but they were far from the best team overall, seriously. They were mediocre to good, depending on the game.
Their style of play doesn't allow the other team to score "can't score if you don't have the ball" so I can see how it would look that way with so many 1-0 scores.
:lol :lol :lol @ Casillas kissing that fine Spanish reporter and bailing.
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Such a great video.g23 said:
I agree with this for the most part. de Jong's looked horrible but I don't think he really meant to karate kick a dude, just ended up being a not so convenient way to block Xabi Alonso, whereas van Bommel looked like he wasn't even interested in taking the ball.catfish said:
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Steroyd said:
Dude she's his girlfriend. After the defeat in the first match she was pointed as responsible for distracting casillas, and after that a lot of crap has been said. Now it was over so both of them are quite happy you know :lol
I don't know guys. I personally find Spain's game extremely boring.
Yes, they have a very strong midfield, but it's basically a defensive wall (funny since a lot of Spain fans complained that teams they played in the group stage sucked hard because they kept defending) and passing the ball around for ages, until one of the "attackers" runs about and is either offside or gets away with it. I saw the same pattern a lot. Or it's a "lucky" goal on a CK or something.
Spain's defense is poor and relies completely on their very good GK. Attack is mediocre, seriously it's fumble galore.
So overall I completely fail to see "amazing football, total domination omg".
Germany was a much, much better team overall, even if they lost against Spain (which I'm convinced was in large part due to Muller's absence, arguably the best German player this WC). I also saw great football from Ghana for instance.
But Spain? Meh. And I can't stand their diving (especially when it ends up with players being sent off in a completely unfair way). Sure the Dutch played dirty, but in a completely obvious way. The Spanish had a very dirty game as well, but they get a free pass just because it's not a high-kick-in-the-chest (which totally deserved a red card even if I'm fairly sure it was completely not intentional).
Yes, they have a very strong midfield, but it's basically a defensive wall (funny since a lot of Spain fans complained that teams they played in the group stage sucked hard because they kept defending) and passing the ball around for ages, until one of the "attackers" runs about and is either offside or gets away with it. I saw the same pattern a lot. Or it's a "lucky" goal on a CK or something.
Spain's defense is poor and relies completely on their very good GK. Attack is mediocre, seriously it's fumble galore.
So overall I completely fail to see "amazing football, total domination omg".
Germany was a much, much better team overall, even if they lost against Spain (which I'm convinced was in large part due to Muller's absence, arguably the best German player this WC). I also saw great football from Ghana for instance.
But Spain? Meh. And I can't stand their diving (especially when it ends up with players being sent off in a completely unfair way). Sure the Dutch played dirty, but in a completely obvious way. The Spanish had a very dirty game as well, but they get a free pass just because it's not a high-kick-in-the-chest (which totally deserved a red card even if I'm fairly sure it was completely not intentional).
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I was in Toronto yesterday and it just went crazy. Holland was my team but I had to join the celebrations :lol
France is the team to watch in my opinion. By far they have some of the best players in the game, sadly they're just unable to come together for the national team. Hopefully Blanc can fix that. Fra-Bra final in 2014 would be glorious.Raist said:France has been shit ever since they won the WC and the EC. Complete and utter shit. From players to coaches. I laughed so much at them during this WC, you're preaching the wrong personSo Spain is gonna get wiped in 2 years amirite? =D
Spain did win, but they were far from the best team overall, seriously. They were mediocre to good, depending on the game.
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Raist said:
Again, Spain had the most shots on goal of the entire tournament. That fact alone makes your point invalid. Also, how many shots does the Spanish defense allow? Not many, Casillas actually didnt have that many saves.
Soccer is a team sport, and even with Muller in, Germany probably wouldave lost anyways (I will admit that him not being able to play is bullshit, that yellow card rule needs to change!)
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Raist said:
How is Spain supposed to play when the other team has 10 players within it's own area?
Do you realize you are bitching spain for being boring, but actually it's the other team who makes the match boring? It has been like that ever since Spain won the Euro championship. Extreme respect has made all the matches boring, because everyone tries to play a la mourinho: Wait and kill. THAT's the source of the boring matches, not Spain, who play in a lovely way.
If both teams try to attack, the match is beautiful. If one of them don't, the match is ugly. Period.
PS: And sure you don't expect Spain to give the ball to the contrary just to make you happy, do you? Spain is able to attack, but the others are not able to counter-attack Spain. If you think it's boring go an buy a monkey and stop seeing top-tier football.
Raging Spaniard said:
Yeah, well how many times exactly did Robben completely blazed through Spain's defense? And that's the final game alone.
Plus the fact that they had the most shots in this tournament far above everyone else but only in 6th place for GF doesn't invalidate my point at all.
Patriots7 said:
I dunno. To have a good laugh, maybe
What Holland needs to do is make Franklin Edmundo Rijkaard their new coach, he's amazing and plays attractive football, Bert van Marwijk on the other hand is anti football, Never have i seen a manager so lifeless and boring with no ideas at all what so ever.
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The corner that was falsely denied to Holland in the last minutes of the match, which almost directly resulted in the goal:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqDEjQy-mxI
With minutes to go before the end of the match, this mistake was crucial.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqDEjQy-mxI
With minutes to go before the end of the match, this mistake was crucial.
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Steroyd said:
Where?
Wut wut wut, no.Norwegian Wood said:What Holland needs to do is make Franklin Edmundo Rijkaard their new coach, he's amazing and plays attractive football, Bert van Marwijk on the other hand is anti football, Never have i seen a manager so lifeless and boring with no ideas at all what so ever.
Rijkaard for Rio 2014
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