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[DY_nasty]

How exactly? Im curious as to why you think basketball transcends morals.

Also you don't understand the difference between sitting two feet from a person while talking shit and going a couple of states away and doing it behind someones back?

What morals? Lol

He won and by your own argument they did the same thing by going to loaded teams

 

[iamshadowlark]

OK

i'm doing the awards post for the off season

Douchebag post of the off season

Nominees:

iamsahdowlark

vote please.

You mad cause I made a joke about another branch of service? Do you know how the US miltary works at all?

What morals? Lol

He won and by your own argument they did the same thing by going to loaded teams

Winning? Tsk tsk tsk soldier.

 

[Boombloxer]

This last 1/2 page has been bad comedy.

 

[Branduil]

It could be worse guys. Imagine this lockout if the Heat had actually won.

 

[Black Mamba]

Players are trying to create scapegoats in Gilbert and Holt?



Why? What's the point? How will this help? The owners are basically saying "Hate the NBA's workers and product, fans!" and the players are responding by saying "The people who get sponsors and capital for this league are untrustworthy!"

watching the presser on NBA TV, sounds like Paul Allen is the scapegoat.

Buss, Dolan were there the last couple days and players felt movement. Paul Allen showed up to represent the Board of Governors meeting.

translation: small market owners didn't like what was happening. Overruled Buss/Dolan/Cuban and sent Allen to hold tight.

 

[Boombloxer]

watching the presser on NBA TV, sounds like Paul Allen is the scapegoat.

Buss, Dolan were there the last couple days and players felt movement. Paul Allen showed up to represent the Board of Governors meeting.

translation: small market owners didn't like what was happening. Overruled Buss/Dolan/Cuban and sent Allen to hold tight.

They need to get over it.

 

[DY_nasty]

I don't think they know you're military.

Either way, when you hold the belt for decades and the world decides to label a kid "better than you" after getting slumped in his last two title fights... you get the right to talk shit. You're obligated to talk shit.

 

[giri]

watching the presser on NBA TV, sounds like Paul Allen is the scapegoat.

Buss, Dolan were there the last couple days and players felt movement. Paul Allen showed up to represent the Board of Governors meeting.

translation: small market owners didn't like what was happening. Overruled Buss/Dolan/Cuban and sent Allen to hold tight.

If the spurs can't even make money. Shit Is Broken.

 

[jobber]

I know how the league can make money and the players will be happy...


eliminate the Hornets.

That's around 100 mil that can go back into the league since the league "owns" the team.

 

[Boombloxer]

I don't think they know you're military.

Either way, when you hold the belt for decades and the world decides to label a kid "better than you" after getting slumped in his last two title fights... you get the right to talk shit. You're obligated to talk shit.

It's not even just the last two fights--he's come up small time before on different stages.

 

[Black Mamba]

If the spurs can't even make money. Shit Is Broken.

That's if you actually believe they're losing money.

I guarantee it they're not really losing money. It's all about accounting tricks. NBA owners do not want players to decertify because it could cause them to actually open the books.

As I've said before, players will end up caving (and to an extent they already have), but most of the NBA owners are out and out lying about losing real money.

eliminate the Hornets.

That's around 100 mil that can go back into the league since the league "owns" the team.

I could have sworn I heard Stern say months ago that the Hornets didn't lose money last year or at the very least wouldn't really soon.

 

[Mothman91]

Look what the lockout has done to best-gaf, now it's worst-gaf.

 

[DY_nasty]

Look what the lockout has done to best-gaf, now it's worst-gaf.

Cloving's fault

 

[Snakeyes]

I know how the league can make money and the players will be happy...


eliminate the Hornets.

No, the team should be moved to Montreal.

 

[Byakuya769]

Damn, cat's repping their hoods over a joke about Lebron???

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

watching the presser on NBA TV, sounds like Paul Allen is the scapegoat.

Buss, Dolan were there the last couple days and players felt movement. Paul Allen showed up to represent the Board of Governors meeting.

translation: small market owners didn't like what was happening. Overruled Buss/Dolan/Cuban and sent Allen to hold tight.

But what does either side gain from this PR battle? The only thing that will happen is fans thinking the NBA players are greedy and sponsors/banks thinking the NBA can't be trusted and I don't think that's a good thing for the league...

 

[iamshadowlark]

I don't think they know you're military.

Either way, when you hold the belt for decades and the world decides to label a kid "better than you" after getting slumped in his last two title fights... you get the right to talk shit. You're obligated to talk shit.

Thats the first legit point someone here has made, way more understandable than the "He has a ring he can say wtf he wants" crap. Anyways we'll just have to agree to disagree.

It could be worse guys. Imagine this lockout if the Heat had actually won.

All the cocky ass mav fans would probably have never come from under their rock. Dirk wouldn't be so overrated now either.

 

[balddemon]

what is this tripleU shit now??

also, is it okay that i liked the cavs while lebron was there, and now that he's gone, they're incredibly hard to watch? i still want them to do well, but that whole organization was boring last year....boring colors, boring players, losing games all the time...them beatin the heat was pretty awesome though. now they got kyrie and thompson, i'm hopeful they'll do well and i have another team i like to watch play ball.

All the cocky ass mav fans would probably have never come from under their rock. Dirk wouldn't be so overrated now either.

!!!!!

 

[Branduil]

Thats the first legit point someone here has made, way more understandable than the "He has a ring he can say wtf he wants" crap. Anyways we'll just have to agree to disagree.

All the cocky ass mav fans would probably have never come from under their rock. Dirk wouldn't be so overrated now either.

#5 for Dirk is clearly so much more overrated than Lebron at #1.

 

[iamshadowlark]

#5 for Dirk is clearly so much more overrated than Lebron at #1.

Dirk is probably a 7 or 8, but I've heard way more ludicrous shit than 5.

Lebron at 1 is up for debate but there are only two people I would even think of putting higher.

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

Dirk is probably a 7 or 8, but I've heard way more ludicrous shit than 5.

Lebron at 1 is up for debate but there are only two people I would even think of putting higher.

Your #7 put his team on his back and won a chip while your #1 shrunk and enforced a choke label.



Come on son.

 

[Knux-Future]

David Alderidge is fucking spazzing out on twitter. Dude is mad.

 

[Rodeo Clown]

is this Glen Taylor's work? I got this feeling Gilbert is trying to punish the players for Lebron, too.

I doubt it. Taylor's a bad owner, but he's never been out in front on any of this lockout stuff. From what I had read, he's pretty moderate. When things were going well for the Wolves, he was making money. The system has never really failed him, so he doesn't have a big incentive to go after change.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Watching old Bucks games on YouTube and I've noticed that the Big O has one move...He's fundamentally sound and effective, but does every possession from him have to be a backdown followed by a turnaround jumper? It doesn't seem like he can dribble much at all...

 

[DY_nasty]

Watching old Bucks games on YouTube and I've noticed that the Big O has one move...He's fundamentally sound and effective, but does every possession from him have to be a backdown followed by a turnaround jumper? It doesn't seem like he can dribble much at all...

Just like how Kareem wasn't shit without that hook

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Kareem had different setups though. The scoring setups for Oscar for his turnaround look the same almost every time.


Also, the refs hated Kareem...

 

[DY_nasty]

LOL I thought the sarcasm was rather obvious but I guess not

 

[iamshadowlark]

Your #7 put his team on his back and won a chip while your #1 shrunk and enforced a choke label.



Come on son.

I know how much you all love a cheesy ass narrative but come the fuck on. Did you see how his team was shooting some of those games?

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

The reason that the Mavs had open looks on offense was because of the massive defensive attention on Dirk. Dirk's +/- was ridiculous. Dirk was the offense on that team, Chandler was the defense.

 

[DY_nasty]

At least Dirk is unquestionably the best player on his own team.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Also, this lockout has given me extra time to watch old Kareem games and to practice the skyhook and now I can make it pretty consistently so that's nice. Since I'm barely over 6'1, learning how to dribble might have be more effective, but not as cool to me.

 

[iamshadowlark]

At least Dirk is unquestionably the best player on his own team.

I know its great isn't it? We have Lebron a top three player, and a guy who might be better. We already won.

 

[DY_nasty]

Also, this lockout has given me extra time to watch old Kareem games and to practice the skyhook and now I can make it pretty consistently so that's nice. Since I'm barely over 6'1, learning how to dribble might have be more effective, but not as cool to me.

Dribbling is overrated.

 

[jobber]

I could have sworn I heard Stern say months ago that the Hornets didn't lose money last year or at the very least wouldn't really soon.

no way New Orleans is turning profit

 

[reilo]

Damn Quad L, slow your roll.

 

[giri]

I could have sworn I heard Stern say months ago that the Hornets didn't lose money last year or at the very least wouldn't really soon.

Why sell, if they're making money?

Particularly for no actual profit on the sale, just pure market value at what you paid?

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Stern likely said that the Hornets were one of the teams making profit because he's actively trying to sell them.

 

[giri]

Stern likely said that the Hornets were one of the teams making profit because he's actively trying to sell them.

yeah, i guess a "break even" venture is easier to sell

i also know that several owners questioned a few late season contracts because "The NBA was having to put in money to cover the cap costs".

I think cuban was amongst those you complained about that.

 

[Black Mamba]

no way New Orleans is turning profit

Why sell, if they're making money?

Particularly for no actual profit on the sale, just pure market value at what you paid?

Stern likely said that the Hornets were one of the teams making profit because he's actively trying to sell them.

THIS.

It's all about playing with numbers. An accountant's job is to make profits look like losses. This is why fortune 500 companies pay so much for 'em. Never ever ever ever believe a business' claimed numbers in the press.

In this case, Stern needs to sell the Hornets and can't advertise them as a team losing money. He loses a lot of leverage in a sale that way. "Oh, I thought you said they're losing millions upon million. Why should I pay market value? It's in the press!" So this time accountants turn losses into profits.

Also, Stern claims an owner is already lined up but he wants the state issues to go through first through the legislature (haha yeah right).


It's just like I said before. The owners signed the last agreement with little to no hardship getting it. They obviously thought they'd make a profit. Salaries and revenues are exactly as expected. So why the sudden losses? Stern claims a loss every season. It's bullshit. What kind of league agrees to a CBA that guarantees massive losses when revenues grow exactly as expected?

No doubt a few teams lost money. But owners want bigger profits not a profit. And major system changes to help small market teams.

Tommy Dee
Source close to the players association tells TKB "Dolan is basically on the player's side. The owners aren't close to being together."

Interesting part of all this is how long can Stern keep Dolan/Buss/Reinsdorf quiet? There are losing a lot of money as this continues.

 

[giri]

THIS.

It's all about playing with numbers. An accountant's job is to make profits look like losses. This is why fortune 500 companies pay so much for 'em. Never ever ever ever believe a business' claimed numbers in the press.

In this case, Stern needs to sell the Hornets and can't advertise them as a team losing money. He loses a lot of leverage in a sale that way. "Oh, I thought you said they're losing millions upon million. Why should I pay market value? It's in the press!" So this time accountants turn losses into profits.

Also, Stern claims an owner is already lined up but he wants the state issues to go through first through the legislature (haha yeah right).


It's just like I said before. The owners signed the last agreement with little to no hardship getting it. They obviously thought they'd make a profit. Salaries and revenues are exactly as expected. So why the sudden losses? Stern claims a loss every season. It's bullshit. What kind of league agrees to a CBA that guarantees massive losses when revenues grow exactly as expected?

No doubt a few teams lost money. But owners want bigger profits not a profit. And major system changes to help small market teams.





Interesting part of all this is how long can Stern keep Dolan/Buss/Reinsdorf quiet? There are losing a lot of money as this continues.

Your whole theory is based on your altered views on accountants and not real book keeping, which we've disagreed upon numerous times in the past.

It also doesn't answer the question, why sell If its making money? He was selling cause he couldn't afford the team anymore. You don't do that if you're making money, or even break even on an appreciating asset. You just don't.

So why sell NOH? cause it was making him too much money?!?!?!?


Also, Breaking News, Dolan is stupid with money and handing it out at will to players. Knicks sign Worstbrook for new $25M per year contract for 10 years.

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

I know how much you all love a cheesy ass narrative but come the fuck on. Did you see how his team was shooting some of those games?

Regardless of narrative Dirk came up big in that series, Bron disappeared.


His team shot well.....and so did he.

 

[SamuraiX-]

Does anything not asinine ever come out of shadowLLLark's mouth?

 

[Doomsayer]

Dirk is probably a 7 or 8, but I've heard way more ludicrous shit than 5.

Lebron at 1 is up for debate but there are only two people I would even think of putting higher.

I know I'm late as fuck on this, but wow.

This guy has to be trolling. I refuse to believe anyone actually thinks this way.

By the way guys, Brandi jinx part two is full effect. Rangers came back in the top of the 9th today.


Fuck.

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

I know I'm late as fuck on this, but wow.

This guy has to be trolling. I refuse to believe anyone actually thinks this way.

By the way guys, Brandi jinx part two is full effect. Rangers came back in the top of the 9th today.


Fuck.

Dude, he's a Heat fan. Are you really surprised at the stupidity that flows in his veins?

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Truehoop on NBA competitive balance theories:

If you're serious about competitive balance

Let star players earn way more. That's the solution. The Lakers are routinely used as the example of a team that outspends rivals. If Kobe Bryant and Shaquille O’Neal in their primes could both have earned their worth, not even the mighty Lakers would have been able to afford them both, and they would have made two teams really good instead of one team a three-time champion.

If the current Heat were allowed to pay Dwyane Wade $50 million a year, they would have started that years ago -- and they’d never have had the cap room to lure LeBron James and Chris Bosh.

That’s a system that would really do what matters to make the league more competitive. It moves the stars around, which is the only reliable way to move the wins around.

There’s no risk of total salaries going crazy -- both sides agree players will continue share a pool of league revenues, and both sides agree to salary caps and some kind of luxury tax.

But the league doesn't pursue this, of course, because owners like capping maximum salaries. (The union doesn’t push on this issue either, because if stars earned more that would hurt their bread-and-butter, the NBA’s middle class.)

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/32703/the-nba-clings-to-a-fragile-position

 

[Black Mamba]

Truehoop on NBA competitive balance theories:





http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/32703/the-nba-clings-to-a-fragile-position

misses the entire point. It's the union that would never go for this.

Your whole theory is based on your altered views on accountants and not real book keeping, which we've disagreed upon numerous times in the past.

It also doesn't answer the question, why sell If its making money? He was selling cause he couldn't afford the team anymore. You don't do that if you're making money, or even break even on an appreciating asset. You just don't.

So why sell NOH? cause it was making him too much money?!?!?!?


Also, Breaking News, Dolan is stupid with money and handing it out at will to players. Knicks sign Worstbrook for new $25M per year contract for 10 years.

I don't think you understood a part. I agreed NOH is losing money. I am saying this is a unique circumstance where Stern pretends it's not losing money because the league needs to sell it.

NOH, imo, is one of the few markets with a legit gripe. As far as my altered view of accountants, not sure what you mean. I don't know how it is by you, but out here that's a lot of what they do. I know this for a fact. It's not a negative view, it's just the way it works.

Like almost anything in statistics, numbers can mean what you want them to mean. People say 47% of Americans don't pay taxes. Well, that's true if you solely mean federal income taxes and ignore payroll, state, and excise taxes. But people still say it. Numbers need context.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

misses the entire point. It's the union that would never go for this.

It does mention that (though at the end and doesn't put enough emphasis on it)

 

[ryutaro's mama]

Is Kobe loaning out money yet?

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Player comments:


http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=mc-spears_nba_labor_players_reaction_102011


First time Kevin Martin showed something likeable in his career?

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

Regarding Brandi's new avatar in hopes of a repeat performance with the Rangers

Reverse jinx only has one use.

He used his karma up in June.

I don't know man. It's happening just like with Miami. They won the first at home too.

Prophet indeed.