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Nelo Ice said:
Might be windows. Do u kno how much space it's taking up? Also damn at 64GB ur only going to be able to install 1-2 major games at a time =(. BF3 and TF2 are like 11GBs a piece.

edit:For me windows 7 64 bit pro takes up 21 GBs.
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Where the fuck are the other 20GB coming from? BF3 and Origin only take up 11GB wtf.
 
ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
If you want supporting players since Wade and LeBron can't play together or something, Wade should be traded since he's LeBron - shooting - defense - passing + injuries and is even less clutch and more of a bitch.
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what does LBJ's "amazing" passing matter if he won't run an O. No really, i get sick of this argument. Unless he's running the point, and running it properly, it's a completely fucking useless talent to have. So Wade is just as good as lbj defensively, just as poor a shooter, and creates just as much for others. Apart from being injured more, he has no downside. He has a much larger upside in he's about 10x as mentally strong.

LBJ's great if you want to win cheques, not so great if you want to win chips.


Blackace said:
sheeeeit Dre, and Gall over LBJ.. what did they do to you in boot?
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Dre can still play D, and still goes hard, and runs an Offense, He had a great year last year in portland. He's no long term solution, but he'd have solved a lot of the heat's offensive problems because he wouldn't let a bitch like LBJ ruin and stagnate the O. Gallinari CAN shoot, does play D (not on the same level) and buys into a system, and rebounds. Add in NeNe, who i agree isn't the most mentally strong player, but is effecient, and a much better option at 5 than their current options......... They have a team there, and not just 3 individuals.


Maybe i think more of Gallo then you do, and that's the main sticking point. I think in the end, gallo will be 80% of LBJ, in terms of stats. But mean much more in a team role.
 
reilo said:
Where the fuck are the other 20GB coming from? BF3 and Origin only take up 11GB wtf.
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turn off your pagefile, its using at least 10GB and isn't really needed.

also delete your origin installation downloads
 
giri said:
LBJ's not as good on D as LBJ wants to make out to be. Wade might not be AS good, but he's 95% of it.
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While I somewhat agree on the first point, I completely disagree on the 2nd. Wade's defense is vastly overrated. Gambles way too much.
 
Black Mamba said:
While I somewhat agree on the first point, I completely disagree on the 2nd. Wade's defense is vastly overrated. Gambles way too much.
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Played a hell of a series chasing Ray Allen around while putting up 30 a game. Shut him down for the most part.*

*After getting torched by him during the regular season.
 
Black Mamba said:
While I somewhat agree on the first point, I completely disagree on the 2nd. Wade's defense is vastly overrated. Gambles way too much.
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you say that like LBJ doesn't.

For the record, marion scored above his post season average, in the finals.
 
giri said:
you say that like LBJ doesn't.

For the record, marion scored above his post season average, in the finals.
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Marion regular season: 52%. finals: 47%. Only scored 1 moire point because he played 7 more minutes.

Comparing Marion to the rest of his postseason is silly because his series vs Lakers was terrible.

LBJ is a bit overrated on D, but not like Wade. LBJ is a very good defensive player. He also shut out Terry in game 2, before he disappeared completely from the Finals in every way. But I'm not silly enough to judge LBJ's defense on 4 games rather than the last 3 seasons combined.

Did you see LBJ shut down Rose?

And again, a Phx Suns fan knows what about defense, exactly?


Played a hell of a series chasing Ray Allen around while putting up 30 a game. Shut him down for the most part.*

*After getting torched by him during the regular season.
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Ray Allen's efg% was better in that series than his regular season.
 
Black Mamba said:
Marion regular season: 52%. finals: 47%. Only scored 1 moire point because he played 7 more minutes.

Comparing Marion to the rest of his postseason is silly because his series vs Lakers was terrible.

LBJ is a bit overrated on D, but not like Wade. LBJ is a very good defensive player. He also shut out Terry in game 2, before he disappeared completely from the Finals in every way. But I'm not silly enough to judge LBJ's defense on 4 games rather than the last 3 seasons combined.

Did you see LBJ shut down Rose?

And again, a Phx Suns fan knows what about defense, exactly?




Ray Allen's efg% was better in that series than his regular season.
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Ugh, you want to talk shit about defence then throw this out there to invalidate everything you just tried to build a house on? What ever.

LBJ's is good on D, when he wants to be. Yeah, he can shut guys like rondo/rose down, but they wear on him and he has to switch out a bit. But that's because of his athletic gifts and size for those gifts. Not because of any stellar defensive rotations or anything he uses. And lets not forget about how poor the other offensive weapons rose had were, that let the whole heat time focus on and solely support him.

Wade is 95% of him on D. He just doesn't try to talk shit up about his D, because he knows a lot of it is gambles and given physical gifts, not actually playing brilliant D.

I'm not saying either are bad on D, but both are over rated, and wade isn't that far behind. It's the same way I say Kobe and CP3 are over rated on D. But when he wants to, Kobe is probably a little better than LBJ (Probably due to being smarter), but again, he loves to gamble also.

And over the last 3 years, LBJ has taken many "weaker" assignments also, so lets not "forget to take that into account".
 
Well, ray Allen wasn't "shut down" as claimed. he scored the same on higher/same efficiency.

Kobe today is not better than Lebron because of his lateral movement.

I also don't recall Lebron talking about his defense a lot, but whatever.

Wade isn't close to the defensive player Lebron is, sorry. You're simply wrong here. LBJ's a better man to man defender and a much better help defender. He's not all-world like the NBA tries to prop up, but he's damn good. Wade is simply about above average, but zomg blocks!

I don't understand how you could not see how Lebron's defensive impact. Go back to when he was on Cleveland. Outside of Varajeo, he had no one else who was a good defender by his side. Their defense was top 7 2 years running and it was because of those 2. Mo Williams? old ass Z? Hickson? old ass Shaq? Gibson? Please.
 
Black Mamba said:
Well, ray Allen wasn't "shut down" as claimed. he scored the same on higher/same efficiency.

Kobe today is not better than Lebron because of his lateral movement.

I also don't recall Lebron talking about his defense a lot, but whatever.

Wade isn't close to the defensive player Lebron is, sorry. You're simply wrong here. LBJ's a better man to man defender and a much better help defender. He's not all-world like the NBA tries to prop up, but he's damn good. Wade is simply about above average, but zomg blocks!

I don't understand how you could not see how Lebron's defensive impact. Go back to when he was on Cleveland. Outside of Varajeo, he had no one else who was a good defender by his side. Their defense was top 7 2 years running and it was because of those 2. Mo Williams? old ass Z? Hickson? old ass Shaq? Gibson? Please.
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They were a team built on D. It's what they did in Cleveland. iirc, Z didn't play a heck of a lot in a lot of those Cavs series. They'd swap him out of Hickson or someone else athletic.

He's a good man defender, but so is wade. if you really think there's a huge gap between the two, i think you're buying a bit of the hype. And LBJ talks up his d all the time. He talked shit about it in the C's series, the last one he played in a cavs jersey.

Maybe 95% is a bit much? but it's certainly no worse than 90%. To say otherwise is just fallacy and hype. And i 'd give it up all day every day for the difference between the two in terms of mental strength and determination. Every day.

I'd agree on last seasons kobe, but the one 2 or 3 years ago? hmmmmmm
 
giri said:
But when he wants to, Kobe is probably a little better than LBJ (Probably due to being smarter), but again, he loves to gamble also.
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lmao

only people kobe can defend these days are brandon roy, tmac and bow wow

the tragedy of kobes decline is going to be the fact that its impossible for him to ever be relegated to defending fisher
 
Duki said:
lmao

only people kobe can defend these days are brandon roy, tmac and bow wow

the tragedy of kobes decline is going to be the fact that its impossible for him to ever be relegated to defending fisher
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oh i'm not disagreeing about now. Last season saw a lot of stuff catch up to him.
 
giri said:
They were a team built on D. It's what they did in Cleveland. iirc, Z didn't play a heck of a lot in a lot of those Cavs series. They'd swap him out of Hickson or someone else athletic.
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Built for D? No. This is like arguing Orlando is built for D. Dwight is the D just like Lebron/Varajeo was the D in Cleveland.

He's a good man defender, but so is wade. if you really think there's a huge gap between the two, i think you're buying a bit of the hype. And LBJ talks up his d all the time. He talked shit about it in the C's series, the last one he played in a cavs jersey.

Maybe 95% is a bit much? but it's certainly no worse than 90%. To say otherwise is just fallacy and hype. And i 'd give it up all day every day for the difference between the two in terms of mental strength and determination. Every day.
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Possibly he did, I don't recall. I really don't think Wade is that good of a man defender. This has nothing to do with hype, just how I view Wade's defense as always overrated. I don't know if I would say the gap is "huge" per se, but Lebron is a probably top 5 wing defender (no PGs) in the league right now (Tony Allen, Battier, Ron better, but who else?). I see a legit drop-off to Wade.



I'd agree on last seasons kobe, but the one 2 or 3 years ago? hmmmmmm
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2-3 years ago when he wanted to be, sure. Kobe was best defensively from 2000-03 and he was definitely better than any current player in the league other than the 3 players I mentioned above. Kobe was way too athletic for opponents back then and he's always had a knack for help defense coming from the weak side without gambling.

But Kobe's speed, especially laterally, is not what it used to be and he resorts to gambling on his own man or honestly just ball watching off the ball too much.

Back to Lebron, I think you're using the overhype machine so much to his detriment than you underhype him. I agree I take Wade's mental fortitude, but not his defensive skills. Lebron is simply better at defense. His instincts and athleticism are much better.

Anyway, with the hand-check gone, it's very difficult to be elite on offense and defense at the same time. I'm curious to see Durant this season. He has all the ability to become very good, but will he? He's shown flashes he could develop into it and he certainly has the insane body type and quickness to do it.

the tragedy of kobes decline is going to be the fact that its impossible for him to ever be relegated to defending fisher
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He basically defends the other team's Fishers now. Basically just defends spot up shooters and dares them to shoot as he plays free safety.
 
Black Mamba said:
Possibly he did, I don't recall. I really don't think Wade is that good of a man defender. This has nothing to do with hype, just how I view Wade's defense as always overrated. I don't know if I would say the gap is "huge" per se, but Lebron is a probably top 5 wing defender (no PGs) in the league right now (Tony Allen, Battier, Ron better, but who else?). I see a legit drop-off to Wade.
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Afflalo, Sefelosha, Ron, Allen, Paul Pierce. Marion even maybe after the last finals. Iggoudala
 
Lebrons d ain't that good. Seeing him run from everyone in blue during that Orlando series proved that to me. He can push guys around, but after that what? Chase down block? Early outlet? As soon as things stop going his way he turns into a bigger dumber ariza.
 
Are people really defending Wade's D?

Dude is 6 feet tall... for that reason alone he will never be LBJ on D. He could be better at every defensive fundamental there is (and he isn't) and he still wouldn't be better than LBJ on D.
 
Sharp said:
Are people really defending Wade's D?

Dude is 6 feet tall... for that reason alone he will never be LBJ on D. He could be better at every defensive fundamental there is (and he isn't) and he still wouldn't be better than LBJ on D.
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Not really defending wades d at all. Giri and I are saying that lebrons d just isn't that much better, when speaking on skill alone. Which is kinda what you're saying.
 
Dy_nasty said:
Lebrons d ain't that good. Seeing him run from everyone in blue during that Orlando series proved that to me. He can push guys around, but after that what? Chase down block? Early outlet? As soon as things stop going his way he turns into a bigger dumber ariza.
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Lebron's D may tend to be overrated but to try and limit his strengths to "pushing guys around" and chasedown blocks is disingenuous as hell. Honestly I don't see these 'needs" you guys are coming up with. First we need to blow it up, now our D, which we got the most credit for, needs work. Lol we're fine.
 
iamshadowlark said:
Lebron's D may tend to be overrated but to try and limit his strengths to "pushing guys around" and chasedown blocks is disingenuous as hell.
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Seeing him run away from Hedo and rafer is a bad mark on a resume. And even if you want to get technical, what are his defining defensive performances? IF you manage to actually specify one of his, they're typically filled with some kind of narrow perspective that completely ignores all factors of the matchup. Kobe, KG, Duncan, Pierce, hell... almost every 'good' defensive player has a legit resume. Lebrons is weak at best and imaginary to most.

Edit. Oh you're a heat fan. Nevermind lol
 
DY_nasty said:
Seeing him run away from Hedo and rafer is a bad mark on a resume. And even if you want to get technical, what are his defining defensive performances? IF you manage to actually specify one of his, they're typically filled with some kind of narrow perspective that completely ignores all factors of the matchup. Kobe, KG, Duncan, Pierce, hell... almost every 'good' defensive player has a legit resume. Lebrons is weak at best and imaginary to most.

Edit. Oh you're a heat fan. Nevermind lol
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Yep poor heat fans. Bobcats have sooo much to point and laugh at us about. Bleh.
 
iamshadowlark said:
Yep poor heat fans. Bobcats have sooo much to point and laugh at us about. Bleh.
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Triple L riding those hot new Heat nuts. By all means, keep thinking that the heat will steamroll teams forever. Because that happens all the time in everything ever right? The heat need to improve in a sudden way because they never improved through the season. At all. I've never seen a team remain static from start to finish but the heat are that anomaly. Not only that, but they've convinced everyone, especially their new fans, that it should just be accepted. "Just sign this guy" "trade our shitty rookie for that guy" How about get on the same page for more than a week, grow up, and play to potential instead of making excuses for your self proclaimed greatest? 90% of heat fans have never looked at a game objectively. Why? Because they were attracted to the pretty colors from the start. At least Lakers fans are obviously masochists and have some clear delusional expectations of a team - not just a never ending highlight reel.

So yeah. Go fan up in your Hood and keep pretending that Miami's shit doesn't stink. Boston won it all in their first year, why couldn't Miami? Because winning is hard and they need more than two of the top five to get it done in a period where the NBA is at one of its lowest points in the modern era.
 
Nba starts tonight.
Owners and players and networks losing millions by the minute. The clock is ticking.
There should be a dedicated website counter for this whenever both sides meet.
 
Storm is brewin on the gaming side, my dudes. Dice has come out and stated that lead platform for BF3 was changed from PC to consoles midway to make sure all versions were completed on time. Also that they said the PC was the lead platform because fans were complaining. People who were praising the PC version for being awesome are now saying 'they knew it was consolized, its trash' etc.
 
Bail out! How was this dunk a mere 45? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T85WnlYIwzs

I love Kenny talking shit and then suddenly going "oh my goodness" as he sees the replay.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QO3FOj0BCM

Darvin Ham was robbed. (They don't even show his first dunk :lol) Are we supposed to blame Lisa Leslie or not?

lol at young KG, angry Mutombo. And really everything about this.

Finley's cartwheel could be the best dunk ever if he actually did one and pulled it off.
 
ClovingSteam said:
Storm is brewin on the gaming side, my dudes. Dice has come out and stated that lead platform for BF3 was changed from PC to consoles midway to make sure all versions were completed on time. Also that they said the PC was the lead platform because fans were complaining. People who were praising the PC version for being awesome are now saying 'they knew it was consolized, its trash' etc.
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Like Dr. Blade and I have been telling you all year, GPU gaming is an afterthought at best or dead at worst.
 
I wonder what ESPN is going to write about for the next couple months, they've covered basically everything they could have already in this lockout without doing a countdown of the best games of last season...Maybe that will be it.
 
I don't know about you guys but I'm going to sim each day of the 2012 season with nba2k11. I'll watch each game on 12 minute quarters. It will be awesome!

If I could get 12 other people to join me, we can sim each game on twitch.tv. We would have a commish to update the standings.

I'm sure some kind of media would pick up the story and 2k will shower you with free gifts for the publicity.
 
So the NBA and union are allegedly trying to get the mediator back to the table lol. If I was Cohen I'd say 'Fuck you, you better agree to 51% or I'm not getting on that flight'.
 
ClovingSteam said:
Yo man! You shouldn't have changed your UC3 OP. The original was a masterpiece!
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Tell me about it. I honestly regret updating it. I meant for it to be a good joke to get those nutters to calm the hell down. I was trying to troll everyone by switching it up but I should have just gone and trolled the damn elitists.

Here is your TMZ basketball related post of the day:
Kevin Durant: Kobe Bryant would beat LeBron James in one-on-one
 
BruceLeeRoy said:
Tell me about it. I honestly regret updating it. I meant for it to be a good joke to get those nutters to calm the hell down. I was trying to troll everyone by switching it up but I should have just gone and trolled the damn elitists.

Here is your TMZ basketball related post of the day:
Kevin Durant: Kobe Bryant would beat LeBron James in one-on-one
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Your OP grey doesn't match the post background grey, what a failure!
 
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