TheGreatMightyPoo
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Yeah, I was wondering who the fuck you were until now.
You're not as bad as SephCast though, he's going to the game and picked against the Bulls.
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Yeah, I was wondering who the fuck you were until now.
You're not as bad as SephCast though, he's going to the game and picked against the Bulls.
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
Kobe is amazing.. but even he never did it without a top 5 big..
and these wings you talk about all seem to be sgs which is in short supply... last team powered by a SF to win a ring was?
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
Whats wrong with picking against your team? Its a sign of not being delusional and having to go on a hiatus when they lose like everyone thought.
He's not strong enough/quick enough/big enough to play SG imo. His shot is decent, but he won't be able to immediately rely on it. There are much better SG prospects already in the NBA and coming out in this year's draft. Very few good SGs just show up anyways. Wade and Kobe both needed the full four years of their rookie contract to establish themselves. Still, they both had the body to survive long enough to realize how to play.
IWMTB is right though. His decision making is bad even at the college level - almost always because he thinks he's a LOT better than he actually is. That's the kind of shit that gets you nailed to a bench early on in the NBA, even on bad teams.
Rivers though... I don't think he'll fall flat on his face, but at the same time I'd never take him over either of the Lamb kids, Beal, or Buford. He should stay in school. He probably will too.
He's not strong enough/quick enough/big enough to play SG imo. His shot is decent, but he won't be able to immediately rely on it. There are much better SG prospects already in the NBA and coming out in this year's draft. Very few good SGs just show up anyways. Wade and Kobe both needed the full four years of their rookie contract to establish themselves. Still, they both had the body to survive long enough to realize how to play.
IWMTB is right though. His decision making is bad even at the college level - almost always because he thinks he's a LOT better than he actually is. That's the kind of shit that gets you nailed to a bench early on in the NBA, even on bad teams.
Rivers though... I don't think he'll fall flat on his face, but at the same time I'd never take him over either of the Lamb kids, Beal, or Buford. He should stay in school. He probably will too.
A bad one, sure.
And Shaq, Kareem, Russell never did it without a top 5 perimeter player. SG's as option 1A have won the championship 9 times in the last 2 decades (Jordan, Kobe 09-10, Wade) That's a pretty insane stat. If you add 2000 - 2002 when Kobe was option 1B and option 1A in crunch time...that number jumps to 12 times in the last 2 decades.
Boston 08. PP was option 1A on that team and he was an SF. Bird won 3. Baylor and West made the finals umpteen times in their day. Lebron can easily get to the finals 6 or 7 times in his career and win 3-4...all SF's that give you continued success
I don't normally count finals appearances, but when you consistently make the finals as option 1A as Baylor did for a while, and as Lebron has, it's saying something.
But I agree, PG, SG, and C are the most important positions to build around for continued success (Finals Berths or rings). PF and SF not as much if history is any indicator.
On top just like the Thunder (except last week when they lost to the Wiz and fucked us all)!
New York @ Cleveland
Charlotte @ Washington
New Jersey @ Philadelphia
Miami @ Detroit
Indiana @ Chicago
Milwaukee @ Houston
New Orleans @ Oklahoma City
Atlanta @ San Antonio
Minnesota @ Dallas
Toronto @ Utah
Denver @ Sacramento
Portland @ Golden State
LA Clippers @ LA Lakers
New York @ Cleveland
Charlotte @ Washington
New Jersey @ Philadelphia
Miami @ Detroit
Indiana @ Chicago
Milwaukee @ Houston
New Orleans @ Oklahoma City
Atlanta @ San Antonio
Minnesota @ Dallas
Toronto @ Utah
Denver @ Sacramento
Portland @ Golden State
LA Clippers @ LA Lakers
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
PP wasn't exactly option 1A on the Celtics.. the big 3 all avg very close to the same ppg.
Kobe and Wade both never won a chip with Shaq/Pau..
Bird was the last SF lead winning team..
and really only MJ has done it without a high or low post player
Raging Spaniard
If they are Dutch, upright and breathing they are more racist than your favorite player
posted?
Grizz will be wearing these tomorrow on TNT to honor the ABA. (From Gays twitter)
True story, if you take a daily supplement of Vitamin B, your urine will look about that yellow.
Not true, go back and look at Shaq's stats. Kobe was option 1A from the 2003 season on and Wade was option 1A from his first season with Shaq on. Even Shaq came in and said this is Wade's team.
Shaq was done as being a 1A option that can get you a ring by 2003...his numbers plummeted to low 20's and under in scoring after that season
Shaq averaged 20 points a game in the 05-06 championship season. Wade averaged 27 and he was the absolute go to guy in crunch time. That was Wade's team, they played through Shaq to get the role players open shots, but he wasn't option 1A
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
Shaq still demanded mad double teams.. shoot he even got doubled in Phx and Bos...
But that's a moot point. Hakeem is the only center to win multiple rings without a top tier wing/perimeter player. Jordan is the only wing to win multiple chips without a top tier big.
everyone else in history had a combination of Elite Big and Elite Perimeter. I'm simply arguing about whether or not PF's consistently win as option 1A. I said I think Love can win as option 1B or as option 2...just not as option 1A. it's a very subtle, but i believe important, distinction.
Numbers like ppg won't show you that Shaq was still demanding nearly all of the attention from opposing defenses for over decade.
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
Love isn't exactly a big... he plays O like a perimeter player.
Also Dream had Clyde for one ring.. Clyde wasn't Trailblazer Clyde but was an elite 2.
Timmy won without a toptier wing..
Was just about to hit on the fact that Love can't finish at the rim nearly as well as most would assume.
Surprised reilo hasn't jumped all over that one yet...
Raging Spaniard
If they are Dutch, upright and breathing they are more racist than your favorite player
Love isnt a good defender either, so thats not exactly following the mold either.
Id say Minny needs an elite center more than they need an elite wing.
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
If they gave him another big to play with like Shawn Kemp Jr.. then Minny would be godlen
Shaq demanding double teams doesn't make him option 1A. That was Wade's team and he had to put on a ridiculously productive Finals Run to win that ring. Shaq is just huge
Timmy's first chip - him and Robinson were basically equal, plus asterisk season and all that.
He didn't win again till 2003 and had Parker when he was a top 5 PG and Manu when he was a top 6 SG for a couple of them. And again, Timmy is Timmy. Only PF in history to consistently win as option 1A.
Love doesn't play like a traditional PF but I think that actually bolsters my case. The narrative was that Dirk got better as he stopped shooting more 3's and started playing with his back to the basket more.
There's absolutely NO precedent for a PF being option 1A, being a horrible defender, and playing a perimeter oriented game and winning consistently. I would build around an SG or an SF before I would build around a PF in today's NBA even though it's such a loaded position, the favorites to win the ring this year are built around an SF/SG combo, a SF/PG combo, and Derrick Rose lol
Timmy's first chip - him and Robinson were basically equal, plus asterisk season and all that.
He didn't win again till 2003 and had Parker when he was a top 5 PG and Manu when he was a top 6 SG for a couple of them. And again, Timmy is Timmy. Only PF in history to consistently win as option 1A.
Love doesn't play like a traditional PF but I think that actually bolsters my case. The narrative was that Dirk got better as he stopped shooting more 3's and started playing with his back to the basket more.
There's absolutely NO precedent for a PF being option 1A, being a horrible defender, and playing a perimeter oriented game and winning consistently. I would build around an SG or an SF before I would build around a PF in today's NBA even though it's such a loaded position, the favorites to win the ring this year are built around an SF/SG combo, a SF/PG combo, and Derrick Rose lol
Very true.
http://niketalk.com/topic/327191/Great-Moments-in-NBA-History-recreated-in-MS-Paint#.TyCSqW_LySo
Amazing. My favorite one was the nate jumping over paul pierce. I just died laughing
Amazing. My favorite one was the nate jumping over paul pierce. I just died laughing
Raging Spaniard
If they are Dutch, upright and breathing they are more racist than your favorite player
I think this is just Lakers-age still being bitter about Shaq. So w/e...
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The bet between Sharp and myself will have the loser wearing an avatar of the winner's choice. In this case though, its probably going to be a female. So, when Sharp loses, I'd like to get some help finding a pic of a hot, yet believable, pic of a 20-ish Korean girl to give him so that he can catch the end of realpicjanuary
TheGreatMightyPoo
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And to think, LeBron could have been great as a Bull
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That is amazing. bookmarked
Herpes Reasons
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Those guys know whats up
you really need to go back to figure drawing workshops.
Adam Blade
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He draws feet better than you do though, kado.you really need to go back to figure drawing workshops.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Koufos got nine million over three years. Boom, bitches. Three million a year for 11 minutes a game, that's a better rate than Biedrins.
Herpes Reasons
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Knicks time!
Broseybrose
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Heat time!
Psht, I have been talking about his terribly at-rim percentage for a couple years now.
I even mentioned it in the chat last night.
Adam Blade
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You know DY don't read
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TheGreatMightyPoo
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I predict Carmelo will have a better game than the last one.
I can't wait to see your new avatar speedbump.
Sharp already lost.
The bet was whoever's team loses is the winner.
I got this shit in the bag.
Future PhaZe
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Yo
Young is getting wrecked
Shameball
Young is getting wrecked
Shameball
Lol I know. I bet Sharp has a nice avatar for you once we out- tank you.
that picture is epic
Unpossible
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Without DJ or Gerald, we have no chance of ever beating another NBA team at basketball.
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