Uncle Rupee
Banned
Because of PSNow.
I don't know how much they spent on Gaikai but it was clearly the wrong move.
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20th aniversary and still no PS1 support on PS4
- Thread starter maniac-kun
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Because of PSNow.
I don't know how much they spent on Gaikai but it was clearly the wrong move.
I bought the original Metal Gear Solid and Castlevania: SOTN a few months ago when borrowing a friend's PS3. But he came by and took it back! Would love to play them on my PS4. C'mon Sony make it happen!
How do we leave feedback for Sony to get with the program on this? PlayStation blog forums?
How do we leave feedback for Sony to get with the program on this? PlayStation blog forums?
If we're banking on sony loosing a single month in a single territory giving us all that stuff faster, that's not a good sign :l
It does not however, at least not fully, the PSP's MIPS R4000-based CPU is running most of the PS1's R3000 code natively, which is why the PSP manages to run some PSX games better than the fully emulating PS3 can (Spyro, for example).
The PS4 doesn't have the hardware benefit, so accurate emulation can be actually hard to have, even on incredibly strong hardware. I'd rather have them take their time and get a proper emulator together rather than just porting the solution we had on the Playstation 3.
Dreamgazer
Member
PS1 games aren't on PSNow
And yet the ps3 still manages nearly 100% ps1 compatibility. As does the Vita. And basically any android phone.
If they wanted to put in an emulator to run all PS1/PS2 discs, they absolutely could, but it's selling PS1/PS2 classics on PSN that they care about and something is holding that up on PS4.
That's no reason not to have an PS1 emulator. The PS3 runs PSOne classics and can still play old physical PS1 discs. Not every PS1 game will be up as a digital PSOne classic either.
Please stop spouting nonsense.
Hades Hotgun
Banned
I fully expected an announcement at PSX, to the degree that when it didn't happen, it felt like it showed that they aren't even remotely concerned with it.
I have a bunch of friends who were excited to hear about getting to play Suikoden II only to discover they couldn't get it on their brand new PS4s. These were all 360 owners last gen, and Sony seems to be failing to realize that, especially in the US, they have a large audience who never owned a PS3/PSP/Vita and in many cases were too young to experience all the great games on the PS1 or simply didn't get to all the great games that it had to offer.
I personally want PS2 BC more than any other feature, but that is probably a much more complex issue to deal with. At the very least PS1 BC should have happened already and it seems bizarre that they haven't implemented it yet.
I have a bunch of friends who were excited to hear about getting to play Suikoden II only to discover they couldn't get it on their brand new PS4s. These were all 360 owners last gen, and Sony seems to be failing to realize that, especially in the US, they have a large audience who never owned a PS3/PSP/Vita and in many cases were too young to experience all the great games on the PS1 or simply didn't get to all the great games that it had to offer.
I personally want PS2 BC more than any other feature, but that is probably a much more complex issue to deal with. At the very least PS1 BC should have happened already and it seems bizarre that they haven't implemented it yet.
firebranded
Member
Really want it myself, it's why I still have my ps3 out even though I really don't play it now. Hopefully soon.
Like others said, that 20th anniversary edition really had me thinking it was coming.
Like others said, that 20th anniversary edition really had me thinking it was coming.
Any PS3 also runs PS2 classics, but I can't use my discs unless I buy a ticking-time-bomb 60GB model.
SDCowboy
Member
Yeah they had these big announcements at PSX that were PS3 only and it's like, WTF...What are those of us with PS4's supposed to do? IMO, it feels like Sony has been stuck in neutral with the PS4 lately. I don't get it.
Are you talking out of your ass? There's been a PS1 software emulator in use for the past decade. Even the PS2 swapped over to a dedicated software solution at the end of its life. All the PS4 has to do is recompile and refit the emulator, and they can allow for PS1 disc games to avoid licensing. This is not a technical limitation.
brandonh83
Banned
That would be too good so it's never going to happen.
I can use my PS2 discs on my 60GB PS3 no problem. Been working great since I bought it back in '07. And I don't hear any ticking coming from it at all.
SerTapTap
Member
Tired of seeing this argument drug up in every thread. PS1, PSP, GBA, SNES games all look fine on a TV as long as you remember what you're getting. They might look subjectively better with some CRT blur if that's your thing, but there's no grand conspiracy of these games looking incredibly terrible and needing to be hidden from public view on modern TVs. They've been playable on HDTVs for years on PS3 and I'm sure most of us that are interested already know what to expect.
It's great that some people's work, but after a YLOD and just TRYING to fix it (the fat PS3 is a NIGHTMARE to try and open all the way down to the CPU) I really can't recommend anyone do this unless they find reflowing solder a fun pastime and/or are willing to sink a few hundred bucks to replace it if it fails.
Stereogatari
Banned
I sincerely hope they are developing it (and PS2). Can't be hard considering the whole PC-like architecture thing.
Stereogatari
Banned
Especially when they are hyping up the 20th anniversary and our shiny new box is just sitting their dumbfounded.
bemusedchunk
Banned
There's a PSX emulator for original xbox.
Pretty sure the PS4 has the hardware capability to read CDs, but not the licensing to read music CDs. They could probably do PS1 discs if they really wanted to though.
NickFire
Member
Taking into account the snail's pace Sony moves at with its OS updates, I really hope this is not near the top of its list. It should focus first on friend notifications (likely incoming based on reports); better library sorting / folders (need to hide alphas and betas); better software for the camera to let it be used as a mic; and suspend/resume.
Hexa
Member
There are no technical issues so its definitely licencing issues.
At the minimum they could put up their own games (That don't have external licencing issues) however. :/
They're definitely not going to have disc based backwards compatibility. That would be pointless for them. PS Classics is what they'll probably implement.
At the minimum they could put up their own games (That don't have external licencing issues) however. :/
They're definitely not going to have disc based backwards compatibility. That would be pointless for them. PS Classics is what they'll probably implement.
Agreed! I want PS1 classics to work on my PS4, would love to be playing Suikoden 2 right now on my PS4. Don't know what's Sony is thinking, but I won't touch PS1 classic if they decide to do it on PSnow, my internet isn't always the best for streaming, let alone I don't think I would pay to rent a PS1 game when I own most of them already in the first place.
Please Sony give us a way to play our PS1 classics on our PS4. Every Playstation system has been able to play PS1 games since the PS1, just feels so weird celebrating 20th anniversery on a console that can't even play the games and console you are celebrating!
Please Sony give us a way to play our PS1 classics on our PS4. Every Playstation system has been able to play PS1 games since the PS1, just feels so weird celebrating 20th anniversery on a console that can't even play the games and console you are celebrating!
Firestorm ZERO
Member
Same here. I was expecting it to be announced at PSX. It was the perfect time. An event tailored for PS fans. Like the Suikoden II announcement, you can't do that at E3 or Gamescom. Backward support is mainly for the fans. A missed opportunity
Seriously. I thought it was BS when Vita didn't have PS1 support out of the gate, but it came quicker than it has (if ever?) for the PS4. Go figure. Total missed opportunity for the hardcore amongst us who want our PS1 purchases carried over, or buying newly-announced stuff like Suikoden 2. Wonder what the business reason behind it is.
DryvBy
Member
That would be amazing. My dream is old school trophies.
Not like Sony ever releases buggy, incomplete software.
I fail to see how the reason would be due to licensing when you can currently download and play a ton of PS1 games on your PS3, Vita, and PSP.
It's not a hardware issue either because Sony don't care about accurate emulation, and most people don't either. There doesn't seem to be any good reason other than Sony trying to get people to use PS Now in the future. It also seems unlikely that it'll come soon when Final Fantasy VII on PC is being ported to PS4 as opposed to emulating the PS1 version. I think people have already made most of these points, but whatever.
It's not a hardware issue either because Sony don't care about accurate emulation, and most people don't either. There doesn't seem to be any good reason other than Sony trying to get people to use PS Now in the future. It also seems unlikely that it'll come soon when Final Fantasy VII on PC is being ported to PS4 as opposed to emulating the PS1 version. I think people have already made most of these points, but whatever.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Region free PS2 would be nuts! Definitely some shooters I'd be interested in.
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They are going to make us pay for it with PS Now.
SDCowboy
Member
I'm surprised they don't sell the PS1 emulator in the store as it's own thing and then the PS1 games on PSN from there. It would likely sell like crazy if the price was right.
PS2 Classics bought off of PSN will work on any PS3. It doesn't need to be a backwards compatible system.
IsntChrisL
Member
I don't think they want to give any kinds of disc-based BC anymore. It's a much more appealing idea for them to re-sell you these games digitally and stream them through PS Now.
GifGafIsTheBestGaf
Member
they probably need more stability updates breh
but seriously i see this coming with a big update (2.50 or 3.00) along with video support and shit
but seriously i see this coming with a big update (2.50 or 3.00) along with video support and shit
Please don't spread false information.
Uh yes it does...
Read the post I was quoting. The implication being that the ps3 can play every ps2 game, but Sony just limited them to playing downloaded ps2 classics. The emulator isn't close to comprehensive, unlike the ps1 emulator.
Every ps3 can run ps1 discs to this day. Despite ps1 classics sold on the store. Sony of all companies has no problem removing features in FW updates, so if ever they thought blocking discs would yield more profit...
Granted, this is a very irrational company, so if ever ps1/ps2 BC came to ps4, I wouldn't be surprised if discs weren't supported. It would make no sense, but that's the kind of company Sony is.
Petrae
Member
It's certainly more lucrative for Sony. Consumers will only be mad at the beginning, before re-buying games they already bought. It's a matter of convenience; do you want to play everything on one box, or do you want to save some money by having a second box hooked up that will play the games you already own? Many will choose the former.