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3.6 million PS3's sold to consumers?
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speculawyer
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I wonder where they got that number? Did he pull it out of his ass? NPD tracks retail sales, but I don't think there is anyone that tracks units on store shelves. Was this number buried in the Sony earnings release?
BTW, SNE (Sony) stock is up over 5% right now . . . amazing. The market doesn't yet realize that the PS3 is just not going to be the huge profit center than the PS2 was.
Aggelos
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Arde said:
A majority of PS fans are still waiting for a price drop, killer-app games to come out. It's unrealistic to say that all the PS fans are scoffing PS3 and have purchased other consoles. The title "PlayStation" encloses "heavy" brand loyalty Many PS fans are just waiting for the opportune moment to get a PS3
Miniboss1232
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Aggelos said:
Brand loyalty certainly helped Nintendo during the N64 and GameCube years.
Arde said:
I agree with this, but the problem is that in the meantime, 360 has many more consoles out there which means greater potential for publishers to make money, and therefore greater support. As game publishers pull away from the PS3 and gear their games toward 360 and Wii, that gives even less of a reason for those PS2 owners to adopt the PS3.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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Aggelos said:
Post VG chart numbers? Get banned.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/announcement.php?f=2&a=27
Alright, we've had it with ioi's entirely made up fantasy-land numbers. You post em, you get an automatic fortnight holiday in Banheim.
Second offense - perm.
If you're posting numbers from another site, ensure the source data is reliable and not from ioi.
XiaNaphryz
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psychodoodle
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Microsoft should absorb Sony. They would be #1 in gaming, #1 in your living room, and would be the #1 sweethearts of double the fanboys!.
Im just saying
Im just saying
speculawyer said:
It's the number booked as sales, as opposed to shipped. Not the number on store shelves. The number came from the earnings release Q+A session, where someone specifically asked what the sales figure was, as compared to the shipping figure. All of this is in the main thread on the earnings announcement (I posted this a little while ago).
sonycowboy
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Folks. This is getting beyond ridiculous and is entering diminished capacity levels of discussion.
As of March 31st
1) Shipments = 5.5M
2) US + Canada ~= 1.4M (per NPD)
3) Japanese Media Create Sales = 900k (per Media Create)
4) European launch week ~> 800k (per reporting)
5) Retailers have ALOT of PS3's (every store has them and have ample stock)
6) Ample stock <> 400k worldwide
7) Other regions are not being considered
My conclusion:
Anybody that believe the 3.6M was meant to be in consumers hands + store inventories is either ignorant of retailer stock levels, unaware that NPD + Media Create + European stories does not account for 100% of sales, or is just trolling for kicks and giggles.
The 3.6M is a statement by Sony of what's in consumers hands. Take it for what you will, but it cannot include store inventory given what we already know about sales.
As of March 31st
1) Shipments = 5.5M
2) US + Canada ~= 1.4M (per NPD)
3) Japanese Media Create Sales = 900k (per Media Create)
4) European launch week ~> 800k (per reporting)
5) Retailers have ALOT of PS3's (every store has them and have ample stock)
6) Ample stock <> 400k worldwide
7) Other regions are not being considered
My conclusion:
Anybody that believe the 3.6M was meant to be in consumers hands + store inventories is either ignorant of retailer stock levels, unaware that NPD + Media Create + European stories does not account for 100% of sales, or is just trolling for kicks and giggles.
The 3.6M is a statement by Sony of what's in consumers hands. Take it for what you will, but it cannot include store inventory given what we already know about sales.
meltpotato
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Bish is going to have a busy day if you all keep acting like this.
not quite sure i get why the Topic is "sold to consumers" when the article is not saying that.
edit: oh there is some controversy. haha. well thanks for the breakdown SC
not quite sure i get why the Topic is "sold to consumers" when the article is not saying that.
edit: oh there is some controversy. haha. well thanks for the breakdown SC
sonycowboy
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gofreak said:
I disagree. Sony's comments in the QA, where that 3.6M were sold, with the remaining being inventory or in-transit. Given the numbers we know, by inventory, he is not saying Sony's massive warehouses (such things don't exist for holding millions of units of inventory, sorry), he's got to be describing retailers inventory.
Tyrannical
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Didn't Sony announce a few weeks back that the PS3 broke 800k in EU? I think those were end of March numbers. That would put total WW sold at around 3 million. with 600k in the retail chain and 1.9 million at Sony warehouses.
Or where ever they are storing them......
Or where ever they are storing them......
Meier said:
Moreover if you consider the very high price, 3,6M consoles sold or shipped is an amazing result. We are speaking of double the price of a basic xbox360!!! Even if I know it's not correct to do this comparison, try to imagine as if Sony sold 7,2 million consoles with the same MS Xbox360 price! :lol
Miniboss1232 said:
Did the N64 have exclusive franchises with the strength of those coming to PS3? No.
Was the Gamecube the successor to one of the most popular consoles ever made? No.
Were Nintendo's consoles part of the kinds of sponsorships and marketing campaigns and relationships that the Playstation has been in and is in right now? No.
Does Nintendo have the power to provide exclusive media that it creates itself like Sony does with its music and movie subsidiaries? No.
The thing about nintendo is that when the games they put out didn't make a splash, they were out of ideas. It was over. They had no other avenue to pursue to keep them afloat while they worked things out because. Sony is a corporation with its hand in almost every media industry imaginable, and doing quite well at that. They have the ability to reposition the PS3 depending on the strengths of the console at certain times, and we've seen it happen.
The N64 and Gamecube were not part of the same, evolving platform in the way Playstation consoles are. As such, the platform's collective brand recognition power is much stronger. So, let's stop comparing those two to the Playstation.
meltpotato
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Arde said:
wow. this just HAD to be quoted. did you seriously think this one through?
joke account and i just don't know?
Mithos Yggdrasill
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This number at least is real, according to Media Create and NPD.
sonycowboy said:
First of all that number is wrong for Europe. It was 600k for launch week, 800k, was about 3 weeks after that.
Second if the total is 5.5 million, per Sony, and 1.9 is in warehouses or on route to stores that leaves a TOTAL of 3.6 million units, which is what the article stated. It would be IMPOSSIBLE for Sony to have sold 3.6 million, truly sold, and for the PS3 NOT to be sold out everywhere.
I also thought that while NPD and MC do not TRACK 100% of the sales, they DO ACCOUNT AND ESTIMATE for 100% of the sales.
sonycowboy
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gofreak said:
I was speaking towards you're comment of "booked as sales". Manufacturers book sales when the product leaves their distribution centers and then becomes a liability in their Accounts Receivable department. Much different than sold-through to consumers.
Just a point of clarification that I didn't really elaborate on in my response.
InterMoniker
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Doodis said:
I like your avatar
Alf rulesBut I disagree with you. Luke Smith's (out of all people) article showed that the PS3 is actually selling as fast or fast than the 360 was in it's first 6 months of release. Also like Aggelos said there are definitely a lot of potential buyers in the world 100 million + PS2's sold is no lie. Games like Socom have just as big of a user base as Halo and other successful franchises.
Plus you say as game publishers pull away? What publishers are pulling away right now? There's plenty of third party stuff out right now, and once a price drop hits and a bigger user-base forms it'll only give publishers/developers more of a reason to make games.
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I was psyched to see thatshagg_187 said:
We've been say that on the PS3 Forums for a while but, Noooooooo all the haters still bring that site in and consolewars.com < Which IMO is even worse than ** chartzzz. Noooooooo F-cking Wayyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!psychodoodle said:
Mithos Yggdrasill
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sonycowboy said:
Agree. I think that thisis one case where the shipped numbers are not so relevant, because there is always a relativity big margin that is still in stores. This is (was ') the same for the PSP.
EDIT: anyways, 3.6 millions is what is SOLD of course. I don't think it was so difficult to understand...
PS360 said:
You're right. PS3 is flopping harder than those did. :lol
In all seriousness, about that "strength of exclusives" argument you gave, I'd have to say N64 had some damn strong exclusives. It had numerous games that sold more than five million worldwide. Everything from GoldenEye to Mario 64 to Mario Kart to Smash Bros to Ocarina of Time, etc. was a huge hit. N64 didn't have a lot of games, but it did have a lot of blockbusters. I really don't see MGS4 or Uncharted reaching anywhere near those levels. Neither do I see FFXIII reaching that, especially when it barely did on a userbase that was nearly 100 million on the PS2.
AdmiralViscen
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I said wow.
Miniboss1232
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Calm down buddy.
Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Final Fantasy? A lot of the franchises that moved on to the PlayStation after moving from Nintendo consoles?
No, but the N64 (and the SNES) was.
You seem to forget the Nintendo craze that happened over a decade ago. People didn't play video games... they played "Nintendo".
Well, no, but I don't really see this as being a big factor. I haven't really seen this helping the PlayStation brand over the years. After all, Spider-man 3 games appeared on every platform.
Reposition, meaning, wait for PS4?
You've swallowed the PR pill, so I guess you won't listen to my comments anyways.
PS360 said:
Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Final Fantasy? A lot of the franchises that moved on to the PlayStation after moving from Nintendo consoles?
PS360 said:
No, but the N64 (and the SNES) was.
PS360 said:
You seem to forget the Nintendo craze that happened over a decade ago. People didn't play video games... they played "Nintendo".
PS360 said:
Well, no, but I don't really see this as being a big factor. I haven't really seen this helping the PlayStation brand over the years. After all, Spider-man 3 games appeared on every platform.
PS360 said:
Reposition, meaning, wait for PS4?
PS360 said:
You've swallowed the PR pill, so I guess you won't listen to my comments anyways.
Craziest thing is, he's serious.Miniboss1232 said:
It's almost like finding those post-WW2 Japanese soldiers who got stranded somewhere for the last 10-20 years and still thought WW2 was still on.
He can't make that shit up, he really believes it.
"Crikey, folks! Be careful! This one's a big one! If ye get ta' close, he'll start spewing out nonsense PR crap!
My, ain't he a beaut!"
Yes? Is this a joke?PS360 said:
Not GCN but N64 had the SNES as a predecesor which was quite popular.
Uhh... Were you alive during the NES/SNES days? Nintendo was everywhere.
Because, the PS3 is filled with this type of exclusive media?
The same brand recognition that made the PSP the success it is today.
Brand loyalty means jack shit. It didnt work for Atari, it didnt work for Nintendo and it's certainly not working for Sony. Like it or not, Sony is in trouble and really, they're going to have to pull a Gamecube here and just hang in there, wait for this gen to end and do better next gen. I'm willing to bet anything that the PS4 will NOT cost more than $400 at launch and will NOT be a monster leap in graphics from the PS3.
Tyrannical
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Meier said:
Thank's Cmdr Zorg. There's like one for every occasion.
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