In the Gigantis version, Godzilla's roar was completely edited out and replaced.
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In the Gigantis version, Godzilla's roar was completely edited out and replaced.
Deified Data
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Yeah, it sounds to me like they were both using Anguirus's cry or something.
What a weird decision.
Fox Mulder
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I did this late last year on a whim. It was fun even though there's a few that are downright awful.
I really hope the movie does well and they are able to justify releasing them all on bluray.
I really hope the movie does well and they are able to justify releasing them all on bluray.
Gameboy415
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1. King Kong vs. Godzilla - It still holds up pretty well but it was a lot funnier than I remember it being when I saw it as a kid. It's a shame the rumor about a Japanese cut where
wasn't true, haha.
Godzilla wins
HalfBakedProphet
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I might be in the minority but I can't go back and rewatch some of the Showa era films. There is a lot of schlock.
I'd rather rewatch King Kong Escapes or War of the Gargantuas over Gigan or Megalon. Ishirō Honda's touch was definitely missed (although he did direct Godzilla's Revenge which is awful in its own right). It would have been nice to get more films like Mothra vs Godzilla before skewing towards making kid movies.
I'd rather rewatch King Kong Escapes or War of the Gargantuas over Gigan or Megalon. Ishirō Honda's touch was definitely missed (although he did direct Godzilla's Revenge which is awful in its own right). It would have been nice to get more films like Mothra vs Godzilla before skewing towards making kid movies.
King Kong vs Godzilla (1962) brought Ishiro Honda back to the directors chair in a once in a lifetime deal that I still can't believe worked out the way it did. Essentially Willis O'Brien created a treatment for King Kong vs Frankenstein and couldn't get a deal done with a studio. Producer John Beck came into the picture and promised O'Brien that he would find a studio for the film. Beck then took the script and sold it to Toho, behind O'Brien's back. Toho then replaced Frankenstein with Godzilla, and O'Brien never got credit for the film. Shady deals aside, the film is tons of fun, with a slight bent more towards the comedic side of the genre beginning to take hold. The plot and characters are a huge step up from Raids Again, and the action never fails to entertain. Even though there are some glaring matting issues in the Giant Octopus village battle, the fx are generally fantastic throughout. Kong obviously doesn't look like the '33 original, but the suit does grow on you, and suit actor Shoichi Hirose brings a lot of character to the performance.
A nifty little easter egg I've always loved is the very brief, blink and you'll miss it, shot of Godzilla jump kicking Kong animated using stop motion techniques. Tsuburaya had wanted to create all of the fx in this manner, but budget limitations forced the use of suitmation again. But it's still a nice nod to the 1933 original Kong, and Willis O'Brien.
Contrary to popular rumor, there is not an alternate Japanese cut in which Godzilla wins. The ending is the same in both versions. But if you can I'd recommend viewing the Japanese version anyway. The US cut adds needless new footage of some UN reporter guy interviewing various "experts" in a poor attempt to mirror Raymond Burr's character in King of the Monsters. It also almost completely replaces Akira Ifukube's score, which also happens to be one of his best, with stock music from movies like Creature From the Black Lagoon and Frankenstein Meets the Wolfman. It's a terrible Americanization that does a real disservice to the film and its viewers.
8/10
aparisi2274
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Went to see this today:
And it was a great restoration and nice to see the original without the worthless Raymond Burr scenes.
Some of the acting was so over the top bad that it got a lot of laughs out of the pretty much sold out theater, but other than that, it was great to see the OG Kaiju in allhis 50's splendor.
And it was a great restoration and nice to see the original without the worthless Raymond Burr scenes.
Some of the acting was so over the top bad that it got a lot of laughs out of the pretty much sold out theater, but other than that, it was great to see the OG Kaiju in allhis 50's splendor.
Mothra vs Godzilla (1964) marked the beginning of Godzilla crossing paths with other Toho created kaiju, in a sort of early blueprint for what the Marvel Cinematic Universe is now. Widely regarded as one of the best films of the franchise, and I'm inclined to agree. Mothra vs Godzilla has it all. An excellent story combining the Mothra mythos with Godzilla, and a cast of likeable human characters anchors the film and maintains an enjoyable pace. The Shobijin, played by the Peanuts, bring a mystical quality to the film that's hard to describe. Their prayers to Mothra are both beautiful and haunting, and perfectly reflect what's become of Infant Island and its people due to nuclear tests in the Pacific. Ifukube as always knocks the musical score out of the park. Godzilla looks better than ever, and some would even say nothing that came after tops the "MosuGoji" suit. The brief confrontations Godzilla has with Mothra, and her larvae, are dramatic and have much more weight to them.
This was the first Godzilla film to remain largely intact in its Americanization, so either the Japanese original or the English dub will deliver nearly the same experience. If anybody is just getting into the Godzilla franchise, and wants to know where to get a taste of what Godzilla is all about, Mothra vs Godzilla is all you need.
10/10
Delta Assault
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Godzilla does not enjoy getting skeeted on.
We NEED a "Godzilla 1985" starring Raymond Burr, Blu-ray release.
The musical score in that movie is fucking awesome.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzABoU33Kj8
That theme is incredible.
The musical score in that movie is fucking awesome.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzABoU33Kj8
That theme is incredible.
As I understand it, the rights to the various pieces of the US version of that movie are hopelessly entangled in limbo. I don't know if an official post-VHS release even exists in the Western market.
Went to see this today:
And it was a great restoration and nice to see the original without the worthless Raymond Burr scenes.
Some of the acting was so over the top bad that it got a lot of laughs out of the pretty much sold out theater, but other than that, it was great to see the OG Kaiju in allhis 50's splendor.
I'm really looking forward to seeing Criterion's restoration on a big screen next month. Glad you seemed to enjoy it.
I will never not love Gigan and Megalon. I can't wait to get to them in a few days.
Yup, Anchor Bay thought they had the rights when they bought up New World's film catalog, but Toho's contract with New World did not include transfer rights. So the film is still licensed to New World Pictures, which doesn't exist anymore, for an undisclosed amount of time. Could even be for perpetuity. Toho won't say.
HalfBakedProphet
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fair enough. Using archive footage from other films bugs me a lot they and they did it with both Gigan and Megalon. I realize they had shrinking budgets so I understand why they needed to cut corners, it's just unfortunate. There are parts of both Megalon and Gigan I enjoy but I consider them weaker films in comparison to some of the others in the series.
That said, Godzilla vs Mechagodzilla is one of my favorites and its from the same director as those.
Spine_Ripper
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Anybody know what time tickets will go on sale tomorrow and where? I have never been this excited about watching a movie since...the DVD release of Final Wars. I'm so excited, I HAVE to go to the only IMAX theater around me, which is 30 minutes away. I am not going to miss opening night.
Deified Data
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The Criterion restoration of the original was amazing.
What's the official canon line on how Godzilla survived the ending?
What's the official canon line on how Godzilla survived the ending?
He didn't. The Godzilla in the other movies is another Godzilla.
Spine_Ripper
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Tickets are on sale everyone. Just bought 3 for IMAX on opening night. #IAMBECOMEDEATH
Fox Mulder
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Neat seeing Godzilla toys in stores. Bought a few just to put on a desk, might splurge a little for one or two of the pricy ones on amazon.
All this talk of Godzilla films had me dig into my old memories scrapbook and find some pictures of when I went to see the premiere of the U.S. Godzilla in 1998.
I was in middle school and we got to see the movie as part of a trip that our school went on. I was a total Godzilla junkie growing up and I was CRAZY hyped to see the movie. As I recall I really enjoyed it.
I was in middle school and we got to see the movie as part of a trip that our school went on. I was a total Godzilla junkie growing up and I was CRAZY hyped to see the movie. As I recall I really enjoyed it.
He died, every other Godzilla is a different one.
RobbieNick
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Godzilla 1985 is the only Godzilla movie missing a DVD release. Does anyone know why that is?
I cannot believe it's been 10 years since Godzilla: Final Wars. Seems like such a short time ago. I know a lot of "serious" Godzilla fans hated it, but I LOVED that movie. It brought back the campy, goofiness of the 70's Showa era, not to mention a ton of old Godzilla monsters that haven't seen the light of day in over 30 years. Don Frye's acting was so bad, it's hilarious.
I cannot believe it's been 10 years since Godzilla: Final Wars. Seems like such a short time ago. I know a lot of "serious" Godzilla fans hated it, but I LOVED that movie. It brought back the campy, goofiness of the 70's Showa era, not to mention a ton of old Godzilla monsters that haven't seen the light of day in over 30 years. Don Frye's acting was so bad, it's hilarious.
IIRC Godzilla 1985 has a bunch of rights issues that have made releasing it in the US on DVD a pain in the arse. It's on DVD on other regions, so if you have a means of getting it to play in a US DVD player then I'd go that route. It really sucks that there hasn't been a proper US release of Godzilla 85, it's honestly one of my favorite ones in the franchise.
MickeyPhree
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Letting nostalgia take hold, 85 is my favorite one.
Instead of 30 days of Godzilla, I think it is better for your sanity and enjoyment of the character to cut it to about 15.
1. Gojria
2. King Kong vs Godzilla
3. Mothra vs Godzilla
4. Godzilla vs Hedorah
5. Godzilla vs Mechagodzilla
6. Terror of Mechagodzilla
7.-13. Entire Heisei Series
14. Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla
15. Godzilla: Tokyo SOS
If you go through all the Showa and Millennium movies, you will never want to see Godzilla again. Some of those moves are BAD. Not even enjoyable in a campy or so bad its good way. Some are just straight up bad productions.
1. Gojria
2. King Kong vs Godzilla
3. Mothra vs Godzilla
4. Godzilla vs Hedorah
5. Godzilla vs Mechagodzilla
6. Terror of Mechagodzilla
7.-13. Entire Heisei Series
14. Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla
15. Godzilla: Tokyo SOS
If you go through all the Showa and Millennium movies, you will never want to see Godzilla again. Some of those moves are BAD. Not even enjoyable in a campy or so bad its good way. Some are just straight up bad productions.
7-13 = Good choice, sir.
I'd remove Terror of MechaGodzilla and replace it with Godzilla Final Wars though.
I like how bleak and serious both Mecha movies were. Especially Terror. Coming off the so many super kiddie and bright movies, it is depressing as fuck. It's bleak, angry, depressing, and mean. It's dope. Final Wars sucked. Millennium in general sucked in my opinion. They felt too modern Japanese for me to get into. And I didn't care for the suits
Delta Assault
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I had a lot of problems with it.
The Godzilla suit itself looks bad, imo. The face model they used has a curved, stumpy nose that looks a bit too large. The eyeballs themselves show a lot of polished white, which looks incredibly fake because you expect some red veins around the edges. And worst of all, the eyes are rolled back in his head in most shots, which gives him a vaguely retarded looking expression. It's like he's saying Derp Derp while strutting around. Here's an example of what I mean:
It looks ridiculous.
I'm also not a fan of the canine/vampire fangs. Godilla is not a dragon, he's supposed to be an irradiated dinosaur, so the fangs look out of place and distracting.
The Super X was also disappointing from a design standpoint. I like the idea of Japan having this super secret ultimate weapon to combat Godzilla, but the Super X just looks like this turd shaped floating brick. There wasn't a lot of imagination or creativity in its design and you don't get any good angles to show off elegant lines. It feels like an afterthought when it should've really wowed the audience. MechaGhidorah and MechaGodzilla in the sequels really delivered on the wow factor and spectacle, which makes the Super X look even worse in comparison.
And the solution was underwhelming and lame. We all know dinosaurs evolved into birds, but having Godzilla just follow birds wherever they go, and eventually fall into a volcano because of a bird signal machine felt really weak. It's anticlimactic and I expected a bigger ending. Godzilla blindly following birds just diminishes Godzilla as an unstoppable force of nature.
Ghidrah, the Three-Headed Monster (1964) was released just nine months after Mothra vs Godzilla, and introduced Godzilla's true archenemy: King Ghidrah. It also introduced Rodan into the Godzilla series, and would see the return of one of the Mothra larvae from the previous film (the other died sometime in between films). Godzilla would also begin his change from antagonist to super hero protagonist.
The plot involves a princess becoming possessed by an alien intelligence whose planet had been destroyed by King Ghidrah, and tries to warn Earth of the creature's arrival. There's an assassination plot involving the princess and her uncle, and the simplistic plot works to the films advantage. Ghidrah focuses a lot more on the kaiju side of the coin, with some very impressive city destruction courtesy of the Three-Headed Monster and Eiji Tsuburaya. The kaiju themselves also began to show more personality, as the series took on a more lighter fantasy tone.
One of my favorite scenes in the film involves Mothra trying to convince Godzilla and Rodan to work together to defeat Ghidrah. The scene is so surreal, narrated by the Shobijin, and the mannerisms by the kaiju are hilarious. This is easily one of the more entertaining films in the Showa era, and should not be missed for the first kaiju fatal four way at the film's climax.
9/10
He doesn't survive, there's just a second one that appears from somewhere.
Chaotic-Strike
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I pretty much agree with your list other than the lack of Ghidorah the three-headed monster and Monster Zero. I hated Terror of Mechagodzilla when I was a kid since it felt like Mechagodzilla was nerfed from the previous film, but I went back and watched it recently and the human element was great for a Godzilla film. It was so much darker and sober compared to the earlier films, and you can definitely tell Honda directed it.
It also helps that the CM DVD was the uncut version versus the edited one they had on VHS from Simitar.
King Kong vs Godzilla (1962) brought Ishiro Honda back to the directors chair in a once in a lifetime deal that I still can't believe worked out the way it did. Essentially Willis O'Brien created a treatment for King Kong vs Frankenstein and couldn't get a deal done with a studio.
Ok, so how in the hell were they going to do King Kong versus Frankenstein?
Isn't that kind of a mismatch? King Kong would just stomp the monster and call it a day.
Moreover, what was going on in the script that they could just substitute Godzilla for Frankenstein without completely screwing things up?
Awesome, was hoping someone would make a thread like this. Too bad I stumbled onto it a while late. I still have the majority of the Millennium series to finish, aside from Godzilla 2000.
If I remember right, there was some stupid reason why the monster grew so large. It wasn't his little 7 foot self fighting a gargantuan opponent.
I've always heard it was the opposite. It was supposed to be Godzilla vs. Frankenstein's Monster. You can see in King Kong vs. Godzilla where he gets all this power from electricity. The lightning literally brings him back to life -- not unlike Frankenstein's monster.
If I remember right, there was some stupid reason why the monster grew so large. It wasn't his little 7 foot self fighting a gargantuan opponent.
Delta Assault
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I believe they enlarge Frankenstein somehow. Kinda like how Power Rangers villains get enlarged so they can fight the Zords.
They did something similar later on in the series. I think Godzilla vs. Ebirah was originally meant to be King Kong vs. Ebirah, but they swapped out Kong for Godzilla without really rewriting the script. Which is why Godzilla gets energized from lightning strikes and and tries to get friendly with one of the female characters in the movie.
While it's absolutely terrible, the behind the scenes production notes of that movie are fascinating. It sounded like a complete mess. Plus, what the hell was with that damn fish face scene? Shit gave me nightmares as a kid.
RyougaSaotome
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Showa period up through Monster Zero will always be my personal favorite period of Godzilla films. The human drama was fun and interesting, the action was great, and there was a nice, clear arc of development for the monsters too.
I always felt like much of the Heisei, especially the last films following Godzilla vs Mothra, suffered from Kawakita's obsession with laser beams. Space Godzilla was probably the worst offender when it came to entire battles of shiny lasers.
Millenium was uneven, but I think even at its worst it was entertaining in a silly kind of way.
Cept for Megaguirus. Fuck that movie.
I always felt like much of the Heisei, especially the last films following Godzilla vs Mothra, suffered from Kawakita's obsession with laser beams. Space Godzilla was probably the worst offender when it came to entire battles of shiny lasers.
Millenium was uneven, but I think even at its worst it was entertaining in a silly kind of way.
Cept for Megaguirus. Fuck that movie.
I liked how the Heisei series really had this overall arch going with the characters and Godzilla himself. The ending of Godzilla vs. Destroyah was just simply amazing. Dem feels.
RyougaSaotome
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I can appreciate the continuity, but I mostly stopped caring about the characters after Mecha Godzilla. Was not a fan of that film, and Space Godzilla was even worse.
I dig Destroyah though, despite how clunky the suits had gotten by then.
Space Godzilla was pretty bad. They were obviously just throwing shit at the wall and seeing what stuck. It still certainly wasn't the worst shape Godzilla had been in. I found 2000 to be a very poor relaunch of the franchise following Destroyah. Though none of them compare to the absolute worst Godzilla's Revenge or even Son of Godzilla.
Nah, toho Frankenstein get big from eating protein rich food.
Vinegar Joe
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I would swap out 14 for Godzilla, Mothra and King Ghidorah: Giant Monsters All-out Attack, because the millenium Mechagodzilla really isn't very good. Watched both last week and it has very little going for it other than a hot lead.
Agreed on the rest though. Hedorah (AKA the smog monster) is brilliantly stupid.
As dope as Ghidorah looks, I've found his movies to be terrible. Invasion of the AstroMonster/Monster Zero is just awful to me. SO boring.
GMK was bad, but for different reasons. Hated all the GCI. But really hated the role changes for no reason. Suddendly Ghidorah is this ancient protector? Nah, brah.
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