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Chris1964 said:
Who cares what every random poster predicted for Vita.
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Please direct me to another source of data where I could see the expectations for the launch of VITA.

Thanks in advance.

Mpl90 said:
It cares, because in this way he demostrates his being a superior poster, with a superior understanding of how world goes, even if maybe he could have been wrong. But he's superior!!!
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You're a funny one. You got all that from my post? Trying too hard.
 
lunchwithyuzo said:
They (SCE) don't if they offload those R&D costs to other divisions within Sony. I remember lots of theories about strange accounting methods for EE and CELL that made PS2/PS3 appear more profitable (or less lossy in the latter case) than they really should have been. DCharlie pushed that hard iirc?
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Maybe, but in the end they still needs to recoup those costs, they don't just dissapear in thin air. And Nintendo doesn't have any other divisions other than consoles and videogames.
 
f@luS said:
i would be sad if 3DS sell better than vita in lifetime
im no fanboy of anything and i dont care

i bought my 3DS, sold 1month after....

absolutely terrible hardware ( 3D is dissapointing, tech is too outdated (i dont know im use to play quite a bit on my iphone and i was shock ) handling is crap )

yeah it has nintendo games , good games....but how can they get freepass on so big issues is beyond me.

I didnt try vita yet, but i loved my psp in some ways. Vita looks like an outstanding piece of hardware....for a corret price

hope it will do good
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Joke post gotta be...3ds has absolutely fine techfor what it does, its better than psp so i dont understand the terrible comment...
 
Hyuga said:
These infos are from Nintendo itself. So I don't believe a bit of that "report".
Losing money on the 3DS with a 169$ price tag? The statement of Nintendo is either a lie, or they are stupid as hell, because the hardware isn't worth 169$ (or even more).


Christmas 2012? Of course! (not earlier)
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Haha

You think retailers actually buy the 3DS from Nintendo at $169? That's what the retailer sells it to you for... LESS actually half the time with all the sales. Nintendo doesn't make nearly that much on each 3DS when they ship them to stores. God forbid you try to factor in the processing budget of packaging and shipping all those units as well.
.. or the marketing.
 
Houston3000 said:
Haha

You think retailers actually buy the 3DS from Nintendo at $169? That's what the retailer sells it to you for... LESS actually half the time with all the sales. Nintendo doesn't make nearly that much on each 3DS when they ship them to stores.
God forbid you try to factor in the marketing budget, even if it's not part of the same figure.
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retailers make next to no profit on most new console hardware. many of them are bought pretty much at cost. why do you think they push games and accessories with them? because retailers have a much higher margin on those items.
 
Somnid said:
This was primarily on the back of Monster Hunter though. Nintendo stole that and took the good Kingdom Hearts on the way out. Metal Gear isn't much anymore (3DS helped itself to some of those leftovers too) and I think barring new content they are left with maybe some Final Fantasy. Vita can't build on PSP's successes it would seem, it has to start from square one again.
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It's better that way, vita should give birth to it's own great franchise. The PS3 gave us a lot of new franchises and i think the Vita will also do so.
 
Hyuga said:
These infos are from Nintendo itself. So I don't believe a bit of that "report".
Losing money on the 3DS with a 169$ price tag? The statement of Nintendo is either a lie, or they are stupid as hell, because the hardware isn't worth 169$ (or even more).
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So do you have any proof of what you're saying?
The fact is that a company as Nintendo can *hardly* lie about an information like that one, and investors surely know better than us how the production costs and the like are.
 
Sorry but is this quote from gameindustry correct?

Enterbrain predicts 1.4 million sold in its first week on the market in Japan
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Is it by any means realistic, given 2 days sales and precedent? I would guess there's something wrong, is it?
 
MightyHedgehog said:
Smells like the end of the top-of-the-line dedicated gaming handheld...pretty much like many have been expecting.
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The top-of-the-line dedicated gaming handheld has never been the best selling one. Not the Lynx, not the Game Gear, not the PSP, and probably not the Vita. Why people continue to conflate technical prowess with market success is beyond me.
 
lol, given some of the reactions i'm surprised most Japanse machines ever launched aren't just taken round the back of Yodobashi Camera and shot two days after launch because it's clear they are finished.

There's short sighted and then there's just ballsout crazy.
 
Maxrunner said:
Joke post gotta be...3ds has absolutely fine techfor what it does, its better than psp so i dont understand the terrible comment...
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Vita has bigger potential for new experiences since it has not only more power but more control input options as well.
 
DCharlie said:
lol, given some of the reactions i'm surprised most Japanse machines ever launched aren't just taken round the back of Yodobashi Camera and shot two days after launch because it's clear they are finished.

There's short sighted and then there's just ballsout crazy.
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You would know about that! :p
 
tuffy said:
The top-of-the-line dedicated gaming handheld has never been the best selling one. Not the Lynx, not the Game Gear, not the PSP, and probably not the Vita. Why people continue to conflate technical prowess with market success is beyond me.
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Sure, the PSP isn't the best selling one, but it still did great (esp. in Japan), but was cut short in the West by bad support. Definitely doesn't belong in that list together with Game Gear and Lynx.
 
I dont see anything wrong with the numbers. Its slightly lower than the 3DS and it launched against another portable (3DS was launching against old hardware). I think the next months worth of numbers will tell us more. After watching videos and reading the Japanese launch thread on GAF I am way more hyped for the US launch than I was before =)
 
Yeah, I think the Vita did pretty good, it just seems less spectacular due to the yet unconfirmed 500k and 700k shipments. It was also going against probably the strongest line-up of a competitor.
 
tuffy said:
The top-of-the-line dedicated gaming handheld has never been the best selling one. Not the Lynx, not the Game Gear, not the PSP, and probably not the Vita. Why people continue to conflate technical prowess with market success is beyond me.
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just to clarify. being the most powerful handheld isn't any more of an indicator than not being the most powerful. nintendo's handhelds havent dominated because they were underpowered compared to the competitors, but inspite of it.

Vita being more powerful is a good differentiator, espescially as the two systems have comparable battery life (which is generally seen as more important than processing power, but here it's a wash). it's a postitive for the system compared to the 3DS. it's not an all over coming differentiator, but it's absolutely a good one.

great software that fits the handheld market is the biggie. that's what saved the PSP in Japan, which had been performing just fine against the DS in Japan over the last couple of years, out performing it quite handily.

given that the game was one the DS wasn't really equipped to play, i'd say the PSPs superior power was absolutely central to it's market success in Japan late on in that handheld generation.
 
BadWolf said:
Vita has bigger potential for new experiences since it has not only more power but more control input options as well.
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Well Vita wants to be a Portable Home console experience, whether people want home consoles experiences (on the go) or not might have to do if they already own a ps360 or not...
 
gogogow said:
Sure, the PSP isn't the best selling one, but it still did great (esp. in Japan), but was cut short in the West by bad support. Definitely doesn't belong in that list together with Game Gear and Lynx.
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The Lynx was terrible, I'll admit, but the Game Gear mirrors the PSP in many ways:
  • more technically capable than its competitor
  • more expensive than its competitor
  • poor battery life relative to its competitor
  • lots of cut down ports of full console titles
  • strong first party support, but weak third party support
But the larger point is that even if these top-of-the-line systems offer great titles and hardware, that doesn't guarantee success in the market.
 
plagiarize said:
or like the succesfull PSP? do people forget that the game that made it a massive hit was a port of a home console title (essentially)?
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Same difference. What I'm saying is that has been brought up as a negative spin on Vita in a separate thread when the 3DS is basically doing the same thing now.
 
tuffy said:
The top-of-the-line dedicated gaming handheld has never been the best selling one. Not the Lynx, not the Game Gear, not the PSP, and probably not the Vita. Why people continue to conflate technical prowess with market success is beyond me.
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You misunderstand that I'm somehow expecting it to do better because it's so pumped up, relative to other gaming handhelds in hardware, and I know everything you've stated as well. Simply remarking that it looks like the demand for top-of-the-line hardware in a dedicated gaming handheld is too low for competitors to bother trying, while Vita may just have to drop in price about as fast as Ninty rushed to keep 3DS in eyes of the larger and more critical segment of the buying population.

I'll admit, I've never given this platform much of a chance in my mind, but that's because I feel that the trends of the last few years cannot be ignored or worked around with a platform like Vita...I'm one of those who see this round of dedicated gaming handhelds as the one of very last to be released while multipurpose mobile options (smart phones, tablets) are just trending far better because of cost to the consumer and sheer choice in software and applications. I'm just curious how Sony and Ninty will navigate the next few years and how these platforms will fare compared their previous entries.
 
Maxrunner said:
Well Vita wants to be a Portable Home console experience, whether people want home consoles experiences (on the go) or not might have to do if they already own a ps360 or not...
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Why make the 3DS more powerful than the DS then if power doesn't matter for a portable?

Vita can do a whole lot more than the 3DS can, is what it comes down to.

It may not be as powerful as a ps360 but due to its control options etc. it can have games that those can't.
 
I wonder if people when comparing launches keep in mind what they said in regard to this generation of homeconsoles: "PS3 60m still a phailure becuz PS2 1570kk ww YTD" while the 360 was a stellar success because of the XBOX1 selling 24m. DS was totally the portable playstation, 3DS was supposed to outperform the competition at launch, much like no "128bit" console was able to stop PS2 despite the lackluster launch line up and the shortages. I guess people forgot what PSP truly was in the first 4 years in the market.
 
Let's be honest though guys, 321k for a launch + during holiday period is considered kind of low, isn't it? I thought the hype was bigger than this. Though I never saw the potential of the launch titles, which some are claiming to be one of the best.

sajj316: Sarcasm fail.
Edit: I meant you failed to detect it :P
 
ough I never saw the potential of the launch titles, which some are claiming to be one of the best.
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well, i'll throw my hat in and say that this is the happiest i've been with a set of Japanese launch titles ever.

Though i guess really it's only really from Dreamcast on wards - i didn't import machines when i was in the UK
 
tuffy said:
The Lynx was terrible, I'll admit, but the Game Gear mirrors the PSP in many ways:
  • more technically capable than its competitor
  • more expensive than its competitor
  • poor battery life relative to its competitor
  • lots of cut down ports of full console titles
  • strong first party support, but weak third party support
But the larger point is that even if these top-of-the-line systems offer great titles and hardware, that doesn't guarantee success in the market.
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You may be able to compare the Game Gear (I had one!!) to the PSP in those ways. But last time I checked, the Game Gear didn't sell 70 million units worldwide :).
 
Soneet said:
Let's be honest though guys, 321k for a launch + during holiday period is considered kind of low, isn't it? I thought the hype was bigger than this. Though I never saw the potential of the launch titles, which some are claiming to be one of the best.
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So what is a good launch? Nintendo isn't doing a Zelda (TP was a GC game) or Mario anymore. Never saw FF or DQ as launch title either. I think it's a very solid launch. It has fierce competition.
 
Soneet said:
Let's be honest though guys, 321k for a launch + during holiday period is considered kind of low, isn't it? I thought the hype was bigger than this. Though I never saw the potential of the launch titles, which some are claiming to be one of the best.
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1) The number is less impressive given that it's a holiday, yes.
2) The number is nearly double the PSP's launch. That's impressive.
3) The number is slightly lower than 3DS' launch. That's fine.
4) The number is higher than many people's predictions in our prediction thread. That's good.

In other words, this total can be spun in a variety of different directions, depending on your predilictions. I would say that, in aggregate, these facts suggest the sales are "fine." It tells us very little about the future of the Vita -- if the sales had been overwhelmingly good or bad, we might have begun to guess at how the system will fare in the next 6 months or so, but these sales fit neither of those descriptions. All we can do is say, "the launch is fine," and then sit and wait for more hard data.

Or we can speculate rampantly. Which is the more likely choice.
 
gogogow said:
So what is a good launch? Nintendo isn't doing a Zelda (TP was a GC game) or Mario anymore. Never saw FF or DQ as launch title either. I think it's a very solid launch. It has fierce competition.
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GBA (EU) launch was fantastic. Most launch titles are forgettable. I didn't think much of 3DS' launch titles either.

Opiate said:
1) The number is less impressive given that it's a holiday, yes.
2) The number is nearly double the PSP's launch. That's impressive.
3) The number is slightly lower than 3DS' launch. That's fine.
4) The number is that many people's predictions. That's good.

In other words, this total can be spun in a variety of different directions, depending on your predilictions. I would say that, in aggregate, these facts suggest the sales are "fine." It tells us very little about the future of the Vita -- if the sales had been overwhelmingly good or bad, we might have begun to guess at how the system will fare in the next 6 months or so, but these sales fit neither of those descriptions.
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I personally thought it would sell out with whatever the shipment was and I thought it was 700k. So I was kinda shocked. I was hoping it would do at least above average and keeping the hype high so there would be a smaller (and hopefully cheaper) redesign sooner rather than later.
 
Soneet said:
Let's be honest though guys, 321k for a launch + during holiday period is considered kind of low, isn't it? I thought the hype was bigger than this. Though I never saw the potential of the launch titles, which some are claiming to be one of the best.

sajj316: Sarcasm fail.
Edit: I meant you failed to detect it :P
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Considering its two days, no not really. I would definitely wait and see the next weeks sales as we have no data o really say anything definitive.

I still don't get why people are bringing up smart phones though.
 
As good as the JPN lauch is, the US and EU launch may very well be the best ever in terms of SW.

iamshadowlark said:
Considering its two days, no not really. I would definitely wait and see the next weeks sales as we have no data o really say anything definitive.

I still don't get why people are bringing up smart phones though.
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Because they can do validate their point! I'm tired of that particular argument but don't have the energy to think about it right now.
 
I just want to make sure I understand what's going on in this thread...

So, the Vita smashed the PSP's 2-day sales numbers and was in the same ballpark as the 3DS numbers = Massive failure, Vita is dead on arrival, Sony is doomed, apocalyptic situation etc.? Cool. =)
 
Soneet said:
GBA (EU) launch was fantastic. Most launch titles are forgettable. I didn't think much of 3DS' launch titles either.

I personally thought it would sell out with whatever the shipment was and I thought it was 700k. So I was kinda shocked. I was hoping it would do at least above average and keeping the hype high so there would be a smaller (and hopefully cheaper) redesign sooner rather than later.
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Just a rumor at this point, we don't know what the actual shipment was.
 
f@luS said:
i would be sad if 3DS sell better than vita in lifetime
im no fanboy of anything and i dont care

i bought my 3DS, sold 1month after....

absolutely terrible hardware ( 3D is dissapointing, tech is too outdated (i dont know im use to play quite a bit on my iphone and i was shock ) handling is crap )

yeah it has nintendo games , good games....but how can they get freepass on so big issues is beyond me.

I didnt try vita yet, but i loved my psp in some ways. Vita looks like an outstanding piece of hardware....for a corret price

hope it will do good
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Best buckle yourself in. If I were to venture a guess we'll see a repeat of the last generation of handhelds.
 
sajj316 said:
Curious, what are your potential system sellers for US and EU?

These are mine ..

Uncharted for US
FIFA for EU
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I'm buying more games than you :P

I want UC, Unit 13, LBP, Motorstorm RC, Mingol, Virtua Tennis, and maybe FIFA. There's more that I posted in the thread made yesterday but yes, there are some games I will be getting.
 
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