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gkryhewy said:
No, those are data or indicators. There are no objective standards against which those indicators for a given device are to be judged.
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plagiarize said:
no. they aren't. they are factual METRICS. standards are a level of minimum quality that has to be met. there are no established standards to say a modern screens has to have at least a specific viewing angle, response time, resolution, contrast ratio or color range.
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Sure, there's no law that states "screens bellow x resolution fall into the 'sub-par' rating" but at the same time you can't claim that screen resolution (or any other metric I listed) is something that is a simple matter of opinion. Every single one of the things I listed can certainly be objectively judged. Can someone say "smaller screen resolution is better!"? Sure. Would that make any fucking sense? Of course not!

Alrus said:
Doesn't matter one bit for sales though. Nobody cares about IQ outside of tech enthusiasts. You sound like the people bringing up the Vita "glorious OLED" screen as a valid sales point.
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So every tech company, who is driven almost exclusively by profit motive, continues to improve screen tech year after year....... why? For the hell of it? No. They do it because, subconsciously or not, people notice these things. Apple was smart to brand their screen retina -- makes it easier to create awareness. Consumers may not understand the numbers, but they can definitely look at a retina screen and see the difference.
 
M3d10n said:
They are apparently not enough or not good enough if we still have people shitting on handheld threads about their imminent demise and subsequent move of all developers and franchises to the glorious iOS.
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This. Most of the games I play are from Japanese dev/pubs and with Japan centered on dedicated portables I don't see mother ship Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest of Monster Hunter entries moving to iOS anytime soon. On DS alone the quality and number of games was impressive when you factor in PSP its simply staggering (I have more titles then time), the same can't be said for iOS quality, or Android for that matter. Games like Radiant Historia come to mind, similar experiences on iOS, well your lucky if the sound actually works and the game doesn't crash (looking at you Zenonia).
 
AbsoluteZero said:
Except that while the iPhone's camera can take pictures that are damn close to a standard P&S to the naked eye, games on the iPhone are utter dreck compared to the available software library on the DS/3DS/PSP/Vita.
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if people dont want, dont feel the need to pay for $40 vita/3ds games, then who will want to develop more..?
 
tranciful said:
Sure, there's no law that states "screens bellow x resolution fall into the 'sub-par' rating" but at the same time you can't claim that screen resolution (or any other metric I listed) is something that is a simple matter of opinion. Every single one of the things I listed can certainly be objectively judged. Can someone say "smaller screen resolution is better!"? Sure. Would that make any fucking sense? Of course not!
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From a market perspective, the best screen is one attached to a successful product.

From an engineering perspective, the best screen is one balanced with the capabilities of the machine. Sure, you could use with with massive amount of resolution, but it will be unbalanced unless matched with a faster GPU, more RAM, bigger battery, etc. So better metrics may not equal better hardware - it all depends on what sort of content the maker has in mind for it.
 
longdi said:
if people dont want, dont feel the need to pay for $40 vita/3ds games, then who will want to develop more..?
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This isn't an issue (for me, at least) with the current types of games that you can get for iOS/Android. I'd rather pay the $40 for a much more engaging experience than buy 40 play once and uninstall games. However, in the future if handheld tech continues to get more and more powerful, I can see some more substantial games being released on iOS/Android. I think that is when dedicated gaming handhelds may run into problems.

Still no substitute for actual buttons though. There is only so much that I'm willing to put up with with touch only games.
 
WTF happened in this thread?? It's like Amir0x, DcHARLIE, BurntPork, Kript0nian and hyuga are all posting and flaming this shit. We need some Charlequin to get back on topic...

Great sales of the VITA btw, much better than I expected (although if you were hyped about the 700k shipment, I can see why some people are disappointed).

I'm one that hopes the thing price-colapses and gets hacked soon, because it has the potential of being the ultimate emulator handheld, I'm glad to hear the battery life is only as terrible as the 3DS's (I expected lower, honestly), and I would love to put an Android ROM in there =P.

Still, I'll wait for the memocry cards to drop in price, or someone to make a SD card adaptator for it, so it can price-collapse and be hacked much later in it's life.
 
tranciful said:
So every tech company, who is driven almost exclusively by profit motive, continues to improve screen tech year after year....... why? For the hell of it? No. They do it because, subconsciously or not, people notice these things. Apple was smart to brand their screen retina -- makes it easier to create awareness. Consumers may not understand the numbers, but they can definitely look at a retina screen and see the difference.
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I would say that the improvements of the screen tech are due more to reasons like:

- There is margin to do it.
- It's an easy sell, and by this I mean that it's easy to turn these improvements into a feature on a list.

I do not think that most people particularly care. The Wii* sold better than its rivals for the longest time, and even though its graphic "fidelity" is the worst that didn't affect many buying decisions. The same with the DS. At the same time most selling TVs are the cheapest, not those with the best IQ.

I'm not saying that IQ is not a factor, is just one of many, and probably not the most important. Hell, when I'm playing SM3DL I'm not thinking "I wish the 3DS had a 10' 2400p OLED 2D screen, Mario would be so much better on that...". I'm just enjoying the ride.


EDIT: *yeah, I'm consciously mixing IQ from the input (console) and IQ from the output (TV).
 
manueldelalas said:
I'm one that hopes the thing price-colapses and gets hacked soon, because it has the potential of being the ultimate emulator handheld, I'm glad to hear the battery life is only as terrible as the 3DS's (I expected lower, honestly), and I would love to put an Android ROM in there =P.

Still, I'll wait for the memocry cards to drop in price, or someone to make a SD card adaptator for it, so it can price-collapse and be hacked much later in it's life.
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So, you want the Vita to die a horrible death? Let's hope this doesn't happen. If you want a homebrew machine, buy a Xperia Play.
 
tranciful said:
Sure, there's no law that states "screens bellow x resolution fall into the 'sub-par' rating" but at the same time you can't claim that screen resolution (or any other metric I listed) is something that is a simple matter of opinion. Every single one of the things I listed can certainly be objectively judged. Can someone say "smaller screen resolution is better!"? Sure. Would that make any fucking sense? Of course not!
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no one is claiming that. but listen, ignoring the subjective value of 3D, and just straight comparing the screens, yes, we can objectively say one is better than the other, but we can't objectively say 'the 3DS screen isn't up to modern objective standards'.

the only question that matters as far as sales go, is this one: 'Is the 3DS screen good enough for the large majority of people'. i haven't done any market research but in the market research i saw, when people were being asked 'why haven't you bought a 3DS yet' there was no significant group saying 'because the screen isn't up to standard'.

So every tech company, who is driven almost exclusively by profit motive, continues to improve screen tech year after year....... why? For the hell of it? No. They do it because, subconsciously or not, people notice these things. Apple was smart to brand their screen retina -- makes it easier to create awareness. Consumers may not understand the numbers, but they can definitely look at a retina screen and see the difference.
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they do it because it's a lot easier to sell you something 'new and improved' than what they sold you last year. that doesn't mean that most people will care though. blu-ray has not taken off like DVD. most people are perfectly happy with relatively crap speakers and TVs. not because they can't see the difference but because they don't care enough to pay extra for it.

tech companies keep improving the tech because they'll sell less if they don't, but it doesn't mean that you don't hit a level of tech that the average consumer doesn't need better than.
 
I'm looking forward to seeing these things come stateside. I need me some Minna No Golf 6.

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The only interesting thing will be how it's doing 2-3 months from now. A Sony or Nintendo product selling fairly good at launch in Japan? Shocker there.
 
I hate gamers.

we are the worst at wanting something from an piece of hardware, it comes out and people still find something to bitch about.
 
DangerousDave said:
So until someone made a comparision with the conditions that you want, there is no proof of the battery life?
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Is the conditions everyone wants, minimum power, maximum power, I don't know why it's so difficult to understand.

There is a gaffer that is doing very interesting reports, and managed to get more than 7 hours on the VITA, which is really impressive, but the comparison must be under similar conditions to make a valid comparison.
 
manueldelalas said:
Is the conditions everyone wants, minimum power, maximum power, I don't know why it's so difficult to understand.

There is a gaffer that is doing very interesting reports, and managed to get more than 7 hours on the VITA, which is really impressive, but the comparison must be under similar conditions to make a valid comparison.
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Ok, here you have the 3DS ones (you'll probably need google translate)

German Site

The tests are with Street Fighter. The MvsCapcom test that twentytwo22 did was:

3G on, Wifi on, bright max, playing online, headphones 50%, and it was 4:29

If you check, in order to get similar results in 3DS (4:36) you have to play without 3D, with 40% bright, without Wifi, earphone 50%.
 
manueldelalas said:
Is the conditions everyone wants, minimum power, maximum power, I don't know why it's so difficult to understand.

There is a gaffer that is doing very interesting reports, and managed to get more than 7 hours on the VITA, which is really impressive, but the comparison must be under similar conditions to make a valid comparison.
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So we have to wait for a VITA 3D-Addon?

btw. A friend of mine played Uncharted: Golden Abyss with Wifi on, etc. etc. and he could play over 5 hours.
Weird!
 
Hyuga said:
So we have to wait for a VITA 3D-Addon?

btw. A friend of mine played Uncharted: Golden Abyss with Wifi on, etc. etc. and he could play over 5 hours.
Weird!
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OK, now I feel attacked. What is wrong with asking this tests again? Am I breaking some kind of law, or should I convert and hail your lord Sony and it's prophet the VITA? Are you implying I have some kind of anti-VITA agenda?

I've said several times that I'm a Nintendo fanboy, I like Nintendo hardware and software, no secret to that. I have also said that I'm only interested in VITA because of it being the ultimate portable emulator machine. I have been very transparent in this matters. I would love to see the machine hacked and having a memory card adapter so it can use SD cards and not the rip-off cards.

All I'm asking is a test on both handhelds with maximum consumption and minimal consumption, so we can have a real comparison, because if not, it happens what happened in the comparison thread.

Also, I already said the 7 hours achieved on VITA were surprisingly non shitty, certainly not expected.
 
I doubt many of the people in this thread saying BOMBA are serious. It's been a joke for a while now but every time you go into a BOMBA thread you get people talking about how a game sold well.
 
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